When is it time you place him on waivers and send him to New Orleans? I gotta say... It's getting to be about that time.

Put the lineup on waivers and send it to New Orleans. Do it!

At this point what do they have to lose in releasing him and calling up Jensen or Petersen

Maybe Chris hatcher can play center.

At this point what do they have to lose in releasing him and calling up Jensen or Petersen

 

I barely think Jensen is ready for Triple-A, but I don't like replacing our only right-handed hitting OFer with another lefty like Peterson (even though he def deserves it). I would say we swap Smolinski and Ruggiano. I would love it if they DFA Pierre and bring up Peterson, too, but obviously this is all wishful thinking.

When is it time you place him on waivers and send him to New Orleans? I gotta say... It's getting to be about that time.

 

 

Weren't you the guy saying only a little while ago that Ruggiano was a starting CFer on the majority of MLB teams?

When is it time you place him on waivers and send him to New Orleans? I gotta say... It's getting to be about that time.

 

 

Weren't you the guy saying only a little while ago that Ruggiano was a starting CFer on the majority of MLB teams?

 

 

Yeah, this is the guy.

Rugganio is slumping is all...but might as well bring up old Petey one last time...

When is it time you place him on waivers and send him to New Orleans? I gotta say... It's getting to be about that time.

 

Weren't you the guy saying only a little while ago that Ruggiano was a starting CFer on the majority of MLB teams?

Yeah, this is the guy.

 

I was, yea. Can anybody find out what his lines were BEFORE his 0-38? He was doing fine.

 

Clearly an 0-38 streak kinda changes numbers, and opinions. But when I said what I said it wasn't off base.

He was doing fine?

.228/.290/.408/.698 is fine?

That was from opening day until the last hit he got.

I really wouldn't say he was doing "fine" before the 0-38. He had a .224/.290/.408/.698 line before it. He never really got hot all season, so you can't dismiss the 0-38 stretch as some sort of abnormality or outlier. He hasn't been there all season.

Don't want to look too deep at the numbers because, well, its only Justin Ruggiano, but as high as his BABIP was last season (xBABIP had him as the #1 luckiest hitter in 2012), it's quite low this season - maybe he's been a bit unlucky?

 

The BB rate is only 0.5% lower, the strikeouts are lower, the line drives are down while the ground balls are up... right now, the PA for 2013 is near identical to 2012 and a lot of the numbers are similar except... dogshit average leading to a dogshit OBP etc.

I think the LD% says a lot. He just isn't hitting the ball or making the same quality of contact that he was last season. I wouldn't dismiss it as bad luck.

Aren't BABIP for players lower when they have low line drive rates and high ground ball rates? That's the case for Ruggiano. Maybe his BABIP should be higher than .227 but he'll still have shitty numbers regardless.

Aren't BABIP for players lower when they have low line drive rates and high ground ball rates? That's the case for Ruggiano. Maybe his BABIP should be higher than .227 but he'll still have sh*tty numbers regardless.

 

 

Usually, yes.

I wasn't meaning to dismiss his numbers as bad luck, I was questioning whether maybe he's had a little involved for the sake of conversation.

 

I figured maybe someone would care more to delve deeper into the numbers.

So, just saying - even BEFORE the 0-38 stretch, Ruggiano would have had to go 31-100 (assuming he even got 100 at bats) to get to .250 from .228 - he had just one 10-game stretch where he hit over .300 (June 2 - June 20, 10 games, hit .357). Outside of that, terrible, under .250 everywhere. I'm just curious, Wild Card - did you truly believe that, from the .228 average, he'd go 31-100 with 8 homers to get to the .250 average and 20 homer mark? Given the stats, I can't see how, to be honest. None of us, of course, saw the 0-38 coming, either, but with the way his season has gone, a 31-100 stretch would have been waaaay out of the question.

I really wouldn't say he was doing "fine" before the 0-38. He had a .224/.290/.408/.698 line before it. He never really got hot all season, so you can't dismiss the 0-38 stretch as some sort of abnormality or outlier. He hasn't been there all season.

 

 

He also wasn't in the lineup every day for a good chunk of that time. Redmond's sporatic usage of him could have played a part in his numbers dropping off after he was used to being out there almost every game.

So, just saying - even BEFORE the 0-38 stretch, Ruggiano would have had to go 31-100 (assuming he even got 100 at bats) to get to .250 from .228 - he had just one 10-game stretch where he hit over .300 (June 2 - June 20, 10 games, hit .357). Outside of that, terrible, under .250 everywhere. I'm just curious, Wild Card - did you truly believe that, from the .228 average, he'd go 31-100 with 8 homers to get to the .250 average and 20 homer mark? Given the stats, I can't see how, to be honest. None of us, of course, saw the 0-38 coming, either, but with the way his season has gone, a 31-100 stretch would have been waaaay out of the question.

 

 

No, I don't. But I also think it would have taken him more than another 100 ab's to get to 20 HR's.

 

I was speaking more as if he was in the lineup for the majority of the year. It's not realistic to assume 8 HR in 100 ab's from anyone not named Giancarlo. But in 450 consistent ab's he should have been a 20/20 player with a .700+ OPS, which is valuable to many teams.

 

As chainsaw suggested, his sporadic play may have had something to do with the decline as it does with many players. Some guys can handle the bench, some can't, and Ruggiano doesn't really fit the mold of a bench hitter (doesn't make enough contact, K's significantly, little patience). But he never saw the field consistently all season, between JP and Coghlan getting tons of AB's and then Marisnick and Yelich, he was always in and out.

I really wouldn't say he was doing "fine" before the 0-38. He had a .224/.290/.408/.698 line before it. He never really got hot all season, so you can't dismiss the 0-38 stretch as some sort of abnormality or outlier. He hasn't been there all season.

 

 

He also wasn't in the lineup every day for a good chunk of that time. Redmond's sporatic usage of him could have played a part in his numbers dropping off after he was used to being out there almost every game.

 

 

That's no excuse. He's projected as a reserve outfielder at his age and with his ability. He needs to be able to produce with sporadic PAs.

So, just saying - even BEFORE the 0-38 stretch, Ruggiano would have had to go 31-100 (assuming he even got 100 at bats) to get to .250 from .228 - he had just one 10-game stretch where he hit over .300 (June 2 - June 20, 10 games, hit .357). Outside of that, terrible, under .250 everywhere. I'm just curious, Wild Card - did you truly believe that, from the .228 average, he'd go 31-100 with 8 homers to get to the .250 average and 20 homer mark? Given the stats, I can't see how, to be honest. None of us, of course, saw the 0-38 coming, either, but with the way his season has gone, a 31-100 stretch would have been waaaay out of the question.

 

 

No, I don't. But I also think it would have taken him more than another 100 ab's to get to 20 HR's.

 

I was speaking more as if he was in the lineup for the majority of the year. It's not realistic to assume 8 HR in 100 ab's from anyone not named Giancarlo. But in 450 consistent ab's he should have been a 20/20 player with a .700+ OPS, which is valuable to many teams.

 

As chainsaw suggested, his sporadic play may have had something to do with the decline as it does with many players. Some guys can handle the bench, some can't, and Ruggiano doesn't really fit the mold of a bench hitter (doesn't make enough contact, K's significantly, little patience). But he never saw the field consistently all season, between JP and Coghlan getting tons of AB's and then Marisnick and Yelich, he was always in and out.

 

 

He had very consistent playing time in April and May (starting pretty much everyday) and he posted a .210/.287/.392/.679 line. He started getting less consistent ABs after that and his numbers actually improved--.869 OPS in June by spot starting and pitching hitting (not playing everyday).

 

So I really don't buy into the "lack of consistent playing time" excuse you guys are trying to make.

The sad thing is that Ruggiano is still the fourth best hitter on the roster.

 

Great job of putting together one of the worst offenses in the history of baseball, Beinfest.

Cant really blame Beinfest IMO. I dont think hes anything special as a GM, but even if he was, not much you can do when you have arguably the worst owner in the history of the sport as your boss. And his ferret stepson.

While I don't know what the trade market has been like since summer 2012 (when the Marlins started to sell off pieces), I suspect that Beinfest could have managed to get some better pieces back.

 

For example, I think that the Marlins are overrating "perennial all-star" Adeiny Hechavarria.

Uh...I don't think anyone has ever stated, even in the organization, that Hech would be a perennial all star. Everyone said he had terrific defense, which is true, and that his bat should develop within 2-3 years.