Posted October 9, 201311 yr If you pay attention, you'll learn about the thought-process of the Marlins front office and see why, exactly, this team sucks.
October 9, 201311 yr Author WHIP is not even a difficult stat to understand. You'd think an old guy would love that statistic.
October 9, 201311 yr WHIP is not even a difficult stat to understand. You'd think an old guy would love that statistic.   Yeah, but what use does it have in the postseason? :mike2
October 9, 201311 yr Wait, he's supposedly the best infield coach walking the face of the Earth. Why would anyone care about what he thinks about WAR or WHIP or whatever? They pay him to make infielders better, supposedly by teaching positioning, footwork and throwing techniques and no doubt lots of other infielding obscurantisms, not readily apparent to us mere mortals. Lemme know when he's about to replace someone in the FO. Then I might give a crap about what he thinks about stats.
October 9, 201311 yr I'm now convinced that Perry Hill is Broncobob.   I understand them. Just don't put everything on them. Or any stats. One reason is because people like el penguin tend to only stats that back up their thoughts and totally ignore all other ones. Great comedy routines tho.
October 9, 201311 yr If you pay attention, you'll learn about the thought-process of the Marlins front office and see why, exactly, this team sucks. Â Â When did Perry Hill join the FO?
October 9, 201311 yr He just dislikes WAR and WHIP. *shrug* He's old, let him be.  There are things in baseball that stats don't demonstrate, certain intangibles that just don't show up in a box score, so if a baseball vet like Hill chooses not to like WAR I'm okay with that. I kind of like the old school way, but certainly see a need for the analytical approach too!
October 9, 201311 yr Sure Perry Hill is not in the FO, but who do you think the FO trusts when evaluating their players? I think its pretty fair to say that Hill's attitude towards advanced metrics most likely mirrors that of our FO.
October 9, 201311 yr Author What's the difference between the moves the Marlins front office makes and Perry Hill's mindset on his Twitter? Clearly, absolutely nothing. Any team that starts Jeff Mathis and Donovan Solano and thinks that Adeiny Hechavarria had a gold-glove caliber year follows this line of thinking.
October 9, 201311 yr Again, I'm not sure why it's even remotely relevant unless they are letting Perry Hill help pick players .... in which case it's more of a FO problem, than a Perry Hill problem From my understanding he is there to make infielders better at their position on the field, their technique and a whole bunch of other stuff that comes from playing the position It's the FOs responsibility to give him the players to coach the only way I could see this being an issue is if the FO approached him with advanced statistics about their own players range, strengths/weaknesses or how to coach up the infielders to a specific opponent or situation and he wasn't receptive to the input I don't think those conversations are happening though Until the point where advanced statistics actually interface with him and he rejects to listen to them in doing his job then it's a non-issue Now if you want to have a conversation about if the FO should provide that information then that's something to really discuss
October 9, 201311 yr I'm now convinced that Perry Hill is Broncobob.   One reason is because people like el penguin tend to only stats that back up their thoughts and totally ignore all other ones.  When have I ever done that?
October 9, 201311 yr Again, I'm not sure why it's even remotely relevant unless they are letting Perry Hill help pick players .... in which case it's more of a FO problem, than a Perry Hill problem From my understanding he is there to make infielders better at their position on the field, their technique and a whole bunch of other stuff that comes from playing the position It's the FOs responsibility to give him the players to coach the only way I could see this being an issue is if the FO approached him with advanced statistics about their own players range, strengths/weaknesses or how to coach up the infielders to a specific opponent or situation and he wasn't receptive to the input I don't think those conversations are happening though Until the point where advanced statistics actually interface with him and he rejects to listen to them in doing his job then it's a non-issue Now if you want to have a conversation about if the FO should provide that information then that's something to really discuss  It's hard to say what's going on because it seems like Perry Hill doesn't even know what WAR is.
October 10, 201311 yr Author If he doesn't care about stats, he probably doesn't botherto check scouting reports for every hitter to shift his infield defense. Or does he not consider those types of things to be stats?
October 10, 201311 yr What's the difference between the moves the Marlins front office makes and Perry Hill's mindset on his Twitter? Clearly, absolutely nothing. Any team that starts Jeff Mathis and Donovan Solano and thinks that Adeiny Hechavarria had a gold-glove caliber year follows this line of thinking. Â Â you really hate Solano...Dues he owe you money or date ur GF?
October 10, 201311 yr Author What's the difference between the moves the Marlins front office makes and Perry Hill's mindset on his Twitter? Clearly, absolutely nothing. Any team that starts Jeff Mathis and Donovan Solano and thinks that Adeiny Hechavarria had a gold-glove caliber year follows this line of thinking. you really hate Solano...Dues he owe you money or date ur GF?No, he's just not good at his profession. Not good enough to be starting every day at least. But it's not surprising that you like him.
October 10, 201311 yr If he doesn't care about stats, he probably doesn't botherto check scouting reports for every hitter to shift his infield defense. Or does he not consider those types of things to be stats?  scouting reports don't have acronyms.
October 11, 201311 yr If he doesn't care about stats, he probably doesn't botherto check scouting reports for every hitter to shift his infield defense. Or does he not consider those types of things to be stats?  Actually it has been reported that he does check scouting reports thoroughly to position infielders. Why are some of you so down on Perry Hill all of a sudden? We have seen in the past that the team's defense without him has been much worse than with him. And has anyone actually seen any specific evidence that he has anything to do with FO activities? Do you think that they invite all the coaches to participate? Loria just doesn't seem to work that way.
October 11, 201311 yr WHIP is not even a difficult stat to understand. You'd think an old guy would love that statistic. Â Â WHIP is a retarded way of measuring base runners allowed. OBP allowed is better way.
October 12, 201311 yr Author If he doesn't care about stats, he probably doesn't botherto check scouting reports for every hitter to shift his infield defense. Or does he not consider those types of things to be stats?  Actually it has been reported that he does check scouting reports thoroughly to position infielders. Why are some of you so down on Perry Hill all of a sudden? We have seen in the past that the team's defense without him has been much worse than with him. And has anyone actually seen any specific evidence that he has anything to do with FO activities? Do you think that they invite all the coaches to participate? Loria just doesn't seem to work that way.  The front office and the coaches work together. Every front office that uses a heavy dose of advanced statistics has a coaching staff that is open-minded to those statistics. Not that the Marlins have either of those things obviously.
October 12, 201311 yr Author WHIP is not even a difficult stat to understand. You'd think an old guy would love that statistic.   WHIP is a retarded way of measuring base runners allowed. OBP allowed is better way.  I guess. That's not really my point though. My point is that Perry Hill hates statistics because he doesn't know what they mean. He would probably hate .OBP allowed as well because it has too many letters.
October 12, 201311 yr If he doesn't care about stats, he probably doesn't botherto check scouting reports for every hitter to shift his infield defense. Or does he not consider those types of things to be stats?  Actually it has been reported that he does check scouting reports thoroughly to position infielders. Why are some of you so down on Perry Hill all of a sudden? We have seen in the past that the team's defense without him has been much worse than with him. And has anyone actually seen any specific evidence that he has anything to do with FO activities? Do you think that they invite all the coaches to participate? Loria just doesn't seem to work that way.  The front office and the coaches work together. Every front office that uses a heavy dose of advanced statistics has a coaching staff that is open-minded to those statistics. Not that the Marlins have either of those things obviously.    I'm not aware of what most front offices do - I'll have to take your word for that. My point was just that in a Jeffrey Loria front office it seems unlikely that he asks for a lot of input from more than a tight circle of people, and so it is unlikely that Perry Hill has a lot to do with final player selection. I'm just guessing, of course, but to me it seems like a fair assumption.
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