January 7, 201511 yr Irked that Carlos Delgado got a one-and-done. Not saying he should be in the Hall, but to only get 21 votes total, that's terrible.
January 7, 201511 yr Irked that Carlos Delgado got a one-and-done. Not saying he should be in the Hall, but to only get 21 votes total, that's terrible. Hall of Fame voters hate hate HATE designated hitters. Amazing how good a hitter Frank Thomas had to be to get in like he did. Just look side by side with a guy who has been inducted into the Hall of Fame in Jim Rice, and Delgado across the board is a much better hitter. Damn near 500 home runs, over 1000 walks, 99 RBI's or more ten times in his career. Hell even in a past his prime season Delgado produced 38 homers and 115 RBI's for the Mets. Definitely deserved better treatment than the voters gave him.
January 7, 201511 yr Irked that Carlos Delgado got a one-and-done. Not saying he should be in the Hall, but to only get 21 votes total, that's terrible. Hall of Fame voters hate hate HATE designated hitters. Amazing how good a hitter Frank Thomas had to be to get in like he did. Just look side by side with a guy who has been inducted into the Hall of Fame in Jim Rice, and Delgado across the board is a much better hitter. Damn near 500 home runs, over 1000 walks, 99 RBI's or more ten times in his career. Hell even in a past his prime season Delgado produced 38 homers and 115 RBI's for the Mets. Definitely deserved better treatment than the voters gave him. ... Delgado was a first baseman. He played only 10% of his career games as a DH. Not sure what you were getting at with the first sentence. And I wrote a small article about Delgado's one-and-done and mentioned Rice, actually.
January 7, 201511 yr I mixed up Delgado and Edgar. Ha! That was a dumb one. Still true they hate DH's though.
January 8, 201511 yr Author What does him being an ass have to do with the hof? This isn't a fucking personality competition. For some reason, they have a "character clause" when voting for the Hall of Fame these days. It's stupid, but they have it. It's probably their roundabout way of dealing with someone like Pete Rose and his gambling that apparently ruins the integrity of the game. Also it covers their ass if some guy has HoF numbers but happens to be some kind of child molestor or a rapist or a murderer or something to that extreme. Seriously that's not a joke on my behalf. Luckily no one has gotten to that point but I'd imagine some voters use that character clause against guys who weren't so pleasant to be around. Pete Rose never appeared on the BBWAA ballot.
January 8, 201511 yr What does him being an ass have to do with the hof? This isn't a fucking personality competition. For some reason, they have a "character clause" when voting for the Hall of Fame these days. It's stupid, but they have it. It's probably their roundabout way of dealing with someone like Pete Rose and his gambling that apparently ruins the integrity of the game. Also it covers their ass if some guy has HoF numbers but happens to be some kind of child molestor or a rapist or a murderer or something to that extreme. Seriously that's not a joke on my behalf. Luckily no one has gotten to that point but I'd imagine some voters use that character clause against guys who weren't so pleasant to be around. Pete Rose never appeared on the BBWAA ballot. Yes but my point remains that the clause was likely created as a way to deal with guys with great baseball numbers but questionable off the field circumstances, Pete Rose being one, but not the only specific example. Rose does seem to be a prime example though.
January 8, 201511 yr What does him being an ass have to do with the hof? This isn't a fucking personality competition. For some reason, they have a "character clause" when voting for the Hall of Fame these days. It's stupid, but they have it. It's probably their roundabout way of dealing with someone like Pete Rose and his gambling that apparently ruins the integrity of the game. Also it covers their ass if some guy has HoF numbers but happens to be some kind of child molestor or a rapist or a murderer or something to that extreme. Seriously that's not a joke on my behalf. Luckily no one has gotten to that point but I'd imagine some voters use that character clause against guys who weren't so pleasant to be around. Pete Rose never appeared on the BBWAA ballot. Yes but my point remains that the clause was likely created as a way to deal with guys with great baseball numbers but questionable off the field circumstances, Pete Rose being one, but not the only specific example. Rose does seem to be a prime example though. Except it doesn't, because there are murderers, racists, etc in the hof. The clause isn't used for that purpose. Its used as a way for their gay little club to exclude players they don't like for whatever reason. Yeah I know how its used... but the original question was what it was created for and I just gave my logical guess on it.
January 10, 201511 yr On the ballot one time. Voters have no limits to how many they can vote for. Make it 85% requirement.
January 10, 201511 yr I don't really see anything blatantly wrong with the current format... Some writers purposely didn't vote for Big Unit or Pedro knowing they'd make it anyway in order to keep others on the ballot due to the 10 player limit. That's retarded
January 10, 201511 yr I don't really see anything blatantly wrong with the current format... Some writers purposely didn't vote for Big Unit or Pedro knowing they'd make it anyway in order to keep others on the ballot due to the 10 player limit. That's retarded Which players are they trying to keep on the ballot, though? The PED guys or some players who shouldn't be getting votes no matter what?
January 10, 201511 yr Have any of the writers who didn't vote for Johnson or Martinez for that reason disclosed their ballots? I'd be curious to see them.
January 11, 201511 yr If there's gonna be a limit to the number of years a guy can stay on the ballot then I might also take the route of not voting for the sure bet guys in the first year or two. I'm not saying Mattingly is a Hall of Famer but using him as an example because I know this was his last year.... If I was a writer that truly believed Mattingly should be in the Hall then why not leave off Pedro or Johnson this year if you know they're sure bets and have an entire decade to get their votes?
January 11, 201511 yr If there's gonna be a limit to the number of years a guy can stay on the ballot then I might also take the route of not voting for the sure bet guys in the first year or two. I'm not saying Mattingly is a Hall of Famer but using him as an example because I know this was his last year.... If I was a writer that truly believed Mattingly should be in the Hall then why not leave off Pedro or Johnson this year if you know they're sure bets and have an entire decade to get their votes? Shit- I feel for Delgado- he's not a hall of famer, but he had a career good enough to justify atleast 5 years on the ballot. The format failed him- and I'm sure others feel the same as well. His career is remarkably similar to Ortiz, who might end up on the ballot for years
January 12, 201511 yr If there's gonna be a limit to the number of years a guy can stay on the ballot then I might also take the route of not voting for the sure bet guys in the first year or two. I'm not saying Mattingly is a Hall of Famer but using him as an example because I know this was his last year.... If I was a writer that truly believed Mattingly should be in the Hall then why not leave off Pedro or Johnson this year if you know they're sure bets and have an entire decade to get their votes? Shit- I feel for Delgado- he's not a hall of famer, but he had a career good enough to justify atleast 5 years on the ballot. The format failed him- and I'm sure others feel the same as well. His career is remarkably similar to Ortiz, who might end up on the ballot for years Anyone who votes for Don Mattingly should vote for Delgado.
January 12, 201511 yr Author The Hall of Fame loves this shit on a yearly basis. there is a 0 chance this changes anytime soon.
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