May 21, 201511 yr Do you mean clean house with players or just the front office staff? I meant front office staff
May 21, 201511 yr Baseball side, Samson is on the business side so I don't see how the team's performance reflects on him really Well the business side isnt exactly doing wonderful in Miami from what I hear....
May 21, 201511 yr If this team's losses lead to Jennings and Hill getting fired, it was worth it. The problem is that Loria has a terrible eye for hiring people in leadership positions. Most of his managerial decisions have been idiotic and he basically replaced Beinfest with his right hand men. He's not going to bring in a GM that you and I like.
May 21, 201511 yr Does that include removing himself and/or Samson? Forgot about Samson. Fire him too.
May 21, 201511 yr Does Samson actually do anything though? He really has zero involvement in the baseball decisions, he's Loria's mouthpiece to the public.
May 21, 201511 yr Two questions... If the team continues being this bad does he take Jennings out before seasons end? Because I was pretty certain Jennings would be here all season even if they struggled. Also, and I'm probably asking Admin and other more logical people instead of whoever is gonna tell me trade Stanton and Yelich, what realistic changes can be made on the on-field side of things? There isn't much to sell off, if anything, and this team was kinda constructed to be kept intact even if we scuffled. I see it as being built "anti-fire sale"... so what changes?
May 21, 201511 yr The problem is that Loria has a terrible eye for hiring people in leadership positions. Most of his managerial decisions have been idiotic and he basically replaced Beinfest with his right hand men. He's not going to bring in a GM that you and I like. Unfortunately, you're probably right. I wonder if there would be any change in direction if they promoted some of the guys they hired this offseason from other organizations. I believe Mike Berger was recently promoted after Jennings was made manager. Jeff McAvoy and Craig Weissman came from savvy organizations, for what it's worth.
May 21, 201511 yr Well the business side isnt exactly doing wonderful in Miami from what I hear.... Because we suck. We win, we improve consistently and business will increase. There was a clear sense of that this offseason after signing Stanton and other positive moves.
May 21, 201511 yr Does Samson actually do anything though? I've read recently that Samson is sharing GM duties.
May 21, 201511 yr That's a fantastic question. I don't know exactly what they would be able to do in order to rebuild this team. They would have to trade Ozuna for sure, really only piece of the starting lineup they can/should trade I guess. Prado is old and showing his age, Morse is shitty. You should probably keep Gordon and Hech. You cant move Yelich and Stanton. Realmuto should develop into at least a league average catcher.
May 21, 201511 yr Two questions... If the team continues being this bad does he take Jennings out before seasons end? Because I was pretty certain Jennings would be here all season even if they struggled. Also, and I'm probably asking Admin and other more logical people instead of whoever is gonna tell me trade Stanton and Yelich, what realistic changes can be made on the on-field side of things? There isn't much to sell off, if anything, and this team was kinda constructed to be kept intact even if we scuffled. I see it as being built "anti-fire sale"... so what changes? For starters, I'd trade Ozuna for pitching.
May 21, 201511 yr Because we suck. We win, we improve consistently and business will increase. There was a clear sense of that this offseason after signing Stanton and other positive moves. At this point, I think its more then the wins/losses.
May 21, 201511 yr At this point, I think its more then the wins/losses. Yes and no. Fans like us hate the front office and are upset about more than wins and losses. Casual fans, who make up more of the fanbase than we care to admit, they'll bitch about Loria and Co. because it's the trendy thing, but if we're a contender they'll come to the ballpark happily because it's also the trendy thing to do.
May 21, 201511 yr Forgot about Samson. Fire him too. I wish he would with Samson just being his step son from his previous marriage. Berger I believe came from Tampa Bay? Also you said you would trade Ozuna for pitching. Put Ichiro in CF? Curious to know what kinda package you looking for on that.
May 21, 201511 yr Two questions... If the team continues being this bad does he take Jennings out before seasons end? Because I was pretty certain Jennings would be here all season even if they struggled. Also, and I'm probably asking Admin and other more logical people instead of whoever is gonna tell me trade Stanton and Yelich, what realistic changes can be made on the on-field side of things? There isn't much to sell off, if anything, and this team was kinda constructed to be kept intact even if we scuffled. I see it as being built "anti-fire sale"... so what changes? First candidates for a trade that come to my mind are Ozuna and Morse. If we can get anyone to take Morse and his massive contract while he is struggling. Hand should also be included in any trade as a throw in.
May 22, 201511 yr For starters, I'd trade Ozuna for pitching. Definitely agree, Ozuna turning down that extension earlier probably points to him not wanting to be here, unless they win obviously. but who replaces him? It's easy to say Ichiro, but that leaves two very weak arms in the OF.
May 22, 201511 yr Definitely agree, Ozuna turning down that extension earlier probably points to him not wanting to be here, unless they win obviously. but who replaces him? It's easy to say Ichiro, but that leaves two very weak arms in the OF. Eh, to be fair, Ozuna turned down the extension because he's a Boras client, has nothing to do with him not wanting to be here.
May 22, 201511 yr Eh, to be fair, Ozuna turned down the extension because he's a Boras client, has nothing to do with him not wanting to be here. Yeah definitely cause of Boras, although at this point he probably doesnt want to be here ethier
May 22, 201511 yr Eh, to be fair, Ozuna turned down the extension because he's a Boras client, has nothing to do with him not wanting to be here. Exactly. He was also quoted on wanting to see how this season played out to weigh his decision further. Boras was going to push for him to wait until free agency anyways. You can also say the same about Jose Fernandez.
May 22, 201511 yr Ozuna. But I'd be against it if they pkgd him with Morse. Think we'd lose too much value. Unless they were throwing in money to cover Morse's salary
May 22, 201511 yr I was sort of/not really surprised Jose didn't sign even though he's a Boras client. If the rumors were true about the years & dollars, that was a hell of a deal by a dude coming off TJ
May 22, 201511 yr Thank goodness they did a 2 year and not a 3 year contract that Morse was originally seeking. I could see a Morse, Hand, and someone else going in a move.
May 22, 201511 yr I was sort of/not really surprised Jose didn't sign even though he's a Boras client. If the rumors were true about the years & dollars, that was a hell of a deal by a dude coming off TJ Yeah it was. But I am sure if they add another $5 - 8 million he more than likely accepts. Only Boras client that comes to mind that did pre-arb was CarGo
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