April 1, 201610 yr The team's payroll remains among the lowest in baseball, well below many teams with significantly older stadiums Marlins are last in baseball in revenue Marlins attendance has fallen short of expectations, but the franchise blames that on poor on-field performance http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mlb/miami-marlins/article69218102.html
April 1, 201610 yr Winning brings fans. Look what the Florida Panthers have done this year in terms of attendance growth due to them actually being good this year and the franchise showing its moving in the right direction. However. I like the loria logic. We can't spend more to make the team competitive because fans don't go to the games but fans don't go to the games because the team isn't competitive.
April 1, 201610 yr Winning brings fans. Look what the Florida Panthers have done this year in terms of attendance growth due to them actually being good this year and the franchise showing its moving in the right direction. However. I like the loria logic. We can't spend more to make the team competitive because fans don't go to the games but fans don't go to the games because the team isn't competitive. This is true but they still should have some money to spend. Especially in areas where there are glaring weakness. You can't say you want to compete within your division and the rest of the teams if you are not willing to address areas that clearly need some upgrades. IE: The bullpen.
April 1, 201610 yr Higher payroll does not necessarily translate to a better team. We had a $118m payroll in 2012, and that team was awful. The team we have now is in a position to do great things. Marlins could have spent 10-15 mil more this winter to buy real relievers and a couple of legit bench bats and would stand a far greater chance at postseason play in 2016. As it is, Mattingly is fucked unless the impossible happens and the everyday 8 all play 150 games and the starters all average 6 ip with representative ERAs and other similar stats.
April 1, 201610 yr Higher payroll does not necessarily translate to a better team. We had a $118m payroll in 2012, and that team was awful. The team we have now is in a position to do great things. No, the Cubs are in a position to do great things. We are in a position to do mediocre things.
April 1, 201610 yr Marlins could have spent 10-15 mil more this winter to buy real relievers and a couple of legit bench bats and would stand a far greater chance at postseason play in 2016. As it is, Mattingly is fucked unless the impossible happens and the everyday 8 all play 150 games and the starters all average 6 ip with representative ERAs and other similar stats. Capps going down was a massive blow to the pen (which they should have alleviated before, but that's a whole separate issue). The Capps injury took the pen from acceptable to prob slightly above average to pretty bad. I'd say they could trade for a RP midseason but they literally have nothing to trade away
April 1, 201610 yr Higher payroll does not necessarily translate to a better team. We had a $118m payroll in 2012, and that team was awful. The team we have now is in a position to do great things. Yes agreed but I think the difference is not so much having the highest payroll as it is just simply putting more money into the areas that need it. If we have the lowest payroll of any team but have the greatest roster of any team then hell yeah let's do it.
April 1, 201610 yr Higher payroll does not necessarily translate to a better team. We had a $118m payroll in 2012, and that team was awful. The team we have now is in a position to do great things. delusional. This is the money quote, from Prof Andrew Zimbalist: In my view, the Miami market is large enough and rich enough and has a good new stadium that there is potential,” he said. “If they are waiting for the fans to show up in larger numbers before spending larger money on the team, they might have to wait an eternity. “They need to put a good product on the field if they want people to buy it. It wouldn’t be reasonable for Miami fans to say they should be outspending the Dodgers [who had a $270 million payroll last season]. But to say they’re stuck at $70 million, and waiting for the television market to respond, is a self-fulfilling prophecy. This is capitalism. You have to run your enterprise efficiently.” Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/mlb/miami-marlins/article69218102.html#storylink=cpy
April 2, 201610 yr We're at a point where our scouting and front office needs to look at possible acquisitions or internal options to try and find relievers that can be serviceable even if they do not necessarily appear to be from the surface. Also the outrage over the bullpen is overblown. We have decent internal pieces we can try that can be plugged in if the guys in the pen to start the year falter. Wittgren, barraclough, Ellington, ureña. And I'm sure there's more. Bullpens for most major league teams are always a question mark that evolves as the season progresses. Everyone forgets this now because of the royals and now the Yankees bullpens. I think it was in 2013 where we had a franchise best bullpen ERA and it was with a bunch of unknowns.
April 4, 201610 yr I'm more worried about the rotation than the bullpen. If the rotation is a mess, it's not going to matter how good the bullpen is
April 4, 201610 yr Culture of losing. But let's change that this year please. I am glad to see you want to change it.
April 4, 201610 yr I'm more worried about the rotation than the bullpen. If the rotation is a mess, it's not going to matter how good the bullpen is If the pen is really good and the rotation is really suck,then we could exchanged five best bullpen pitchers with the original rotation pitchers.
April 4, 201610 yr Higher payroll does not necessarily translate to a better team. We had a $118m payroll in 2012, and that team was awful. The team we have now is in a position to do great things. Aaaand we come full circle to the crux of the problem. The FO is not good at their job.
April 4, 201610 yr I don't think that this team is that good. Also, winning does not always correlate with attendance, especially in Miami. Even if the Marlins were fielding a playoff bound team, I'd still only expect average at absolute best attendance. Loria is cheap, but Miami sports fans are the worst on the planet.
April 5, 201610 yr Higher payroll does not necessarily translate to a better team. We had a $118m payroll in 2012, and that team was awful. The team we have now is in a position to do great things. Aaaand we come full circle to the crux of the problem. The FO is not good at their job. I think it's a little more complex than that. We have some sharp baseball people in the FO who are genuinely interested in bringing a winning product to Miami, but they're operating under a senile owner and his little minion. Yeah... that's probably more accurate.
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