Rydawg Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 My Astros didn't change their GM a couple of years into their rebuild is my point. The guy who started the process was able to complete the process. I love you Silver but you have to be shitting me with this Astro's thing! Are you the new Das Texan? I hope this is just for shits and giggles. If not, you were one of the biggest proponents of this rebuild. You went out of your way to defend everything Jeter and now you'll be back when the rebuild is complete? I have a lot of respect for your opinions even when they differ from mine. Please tell me this is a joke my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I love you Silver but you have to be shitting me with this Astro's thing! Are you the new Das Texan? I hope this is just for shits and giggles. If not, you were one of the biggest proponents of this rebuild. You went out of your way to defend everything Jeter and now you'll be back when the rebuild is complete? I have a lot of respect for your opinions even when they differ from mine. Please tell me this is a joke my friend. I've been told that I blindly support Jeter, that I'm the negativity police, that I'm a fake fan, and that I refuse to admit how inept this ownership is... might as well give up my optimism because the team is tanking and the rebuild has failed. Why not follow a great team in the meantime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rydawg Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I've been told that I blindly support Jeter, that I'm the negativity police, that I'm a fake fan, and that I refuse to admit how inept this ownership is... might as well give up my optimism because the team is tanking and the rebuild has failed. Why not follow a great team in the meantime? Just say #FuckEverybody #MarlinsLifer Who cares what they say? I'm no Jeter fan to be sure but it's way too early to judge this rebuild. Our pitching staff in the majors has alot of quality arms. They might not all pan out but our pitching depth in the minors is legit too. Look at then staff in Jupiter. Some serious arms there. Gallen is looking great in AAA and Neidert is hurt but had a great season in 18 at AA. The Jax team has Sixto and Guzman. Even the Clinton team has a couple of live arms in Mejia, Vallimont and Soriano. Hitting is way behind but Harrison, Diaz, Brinson, Mesa, Encanacion, Scott, Banfield and Devers all have the tools to develop. I'm sure I left a couple out. FO is now spending on IFA which is huge. Just have to see how they draft next month and which IFA they sign in July. There's lots to be excited about. You've come this far. Don't let what "they" say get you. #FuckThey #FuckTheDoubters #JustFuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marlins_09 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 My Astros didn't change their GM a couple of years into their rebuild is my point. The guy who started the process was able to complete the process. IIRC, the guy that facilitated the rebuild also wasn’t responsible for making irrational decisions that deemed a rebuild necessary. Two completely different situations as I mentioned, Mike Hill is likely a muppet. If you replace a muppet with a new muppet, the actual decision making process doesn’t change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmc523 Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 Rosenthal said it, because they don't want to pay two managers at once. I know what you're saying but that may really be the sole reason. Also, has Mattingly really done that poorly considering the team he has? He hasn't really given a definitive reason to be fired and if he's still keeping the clubhouse together than he might be doing as well as he possibly can at this point. As for Mike Hill, I wouldn't be opposed to letting him go but at the same time it would be weirder with each passing day. How do you let a GM go two seasons into a rebuild and then replace him? If they were gonna dump Hill they should have done it on day one so the new GM can help develop the rebuild in his way. Like what if a new guy comes in and doesn't like what he sees and wants to shake things up in a way that clashes with what has already been put together? It's counter productive and could even set us back yet again. Just something to think about. I agree. I said from the beginning they should've canned Hill at minimum in the GM role - if they wanted to keep him on as a guy that knew the system, fine, but they should've brought in another GM. I guess Hill successfully argued that his hands were tied under Loria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_gmac Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I've been told that I blindly support Jeter, that I'm the negativity police, that I'm a fake fan, and that I refuse to admit how inept this ownership is... might as well give up my optimism because the team is tanking and the rebuild has failed. Why not follow a great team in the meantime? sounds like BS same excuses Michael Hill says about the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 sounds like BS same excuses Michael Hill says about the team I prefer his excuses to his decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Uncle Leo Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 I'm having a hard time believing that even the media or casual fan would be upset with Michael Hill being fired. I can't think of a single positive trade he's done or a free agent signing that's worked out well for us in the last several years. Not a single person would come to his defense... honestly if they did I feel like it would be out of pity or to be like OK everyone relax he wasn't THAT bad. But yea, he truly was. Only excuse is that he is indeed a puppet, was before for Loria and Beinfest and continues to be now with Jeter / Denbo. I could see negative media/comments if we fired Mattingly though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Leo Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Also SilverBullet, I'm going to take that awful Astro's soup you concocted and make you butt chug it. Not diggin' the turncoat stuff. SAD. FAKE NEWS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 I can't think of a single positive trade he's done Mike King for Garrett Cooper and Caleb Smith has looked good so far. Denbo had influence there I am sure, but he also had influence in all the deals since then. Before anyone accuses me of defending Mike Hill, I am not. I think we need a new GM but he does not have a 100 percent failure rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Also SilverBullet, I'm going to take that awful Astro's soup you concocted and make you butt chug it. Not diggin' the turncoat stuff. SAD. FAKE NEWS. I have not turned against the Marlins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 I think we need a new GM but he does not have a 100 percent failure rate. I wonder where Hill would stand if "GM failure rate" was actually something that could be calculated. I mean we can think of every bad trade but really there are very few GMs who aren't full of bad trades along the way. One could easily argue that the majority of trades don't pan out even for "good" GMs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Also the David Phelps trade netted us Pablo Lopez, that deal was good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Also the David Phelps trade netted us Pablo Lopez, that deal was good. That trade deserves more credit. Selling off relievers like that is what they need to do better on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 While we are at it, the Ozuna deal may end up decent too. Sandy already has shown signs of being a good addition to the staff. Zac Gallen has been lighting up AAA and remains to be seen at the MLB level. Ozuna was gone after this season anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 As far as Rule 5 picks go. Elieser Hernandez is seeming like a decent one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Mike King for Garrett Cooper and Caleb Smith has looked good so far. Also the David Phelps trade netted us Pablo Lopez, that deal was good. While we are at it, the Ozuna deal may end up decent too. As far as Rule 5 picks go. Elieser Hernandez is seeming like a decent one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 The Marlins need a new GM but it is disingenuous to say Hill (or any exec) has had only failures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 The Marlins need a new GM but it is disingenuous to say Hill (or any exec) has had only failures. WHY DO YOU LOVE MIKE HILL SO MUCH??? WHY DON'T YOU JUST MARRY HIM ALREADY??????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverBullet Posted May 30, 2019 Share Posted May 30, 2019 Fun Fact: The Miami Marlins actually do not have a GM. The position has been vacant since Dan Jennings became field manager. Mike Hill is President of Baseball Operations and has taken most of the GM responsibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted May 31, 2019 Share Posted May 31, 2019 I'm having a hard time believing that even the media or casual fan would be upset with Michael Hill being fired. I can't think of a single positive trade he's done or a free agent signing that's worked out well for us in the last several years. Not a single person would come to his defense... honestly if they did I feel like it would be out of pity or to be like OK everyone relax he wasn't THAT bad. But yea, he truly was. Only excuse is that he is indeed a puppet, was before for Loria and Beinfest and continues to be now with Jeter / Denbo. I could see negative media/comments if we fired Mattingly though. I've only defended Hill in the sense that I would like to see how he does without the owner telling him exactly what to do or making the trades on his with less interference from above. However, as you say, I wouldn't be upset if he was fired. Just curious to see him with the reins loosened a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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