November 12, 20196 yr There's still a lot that goes into stealing signs - it's an art itself. At the MLB level, if they can't make signs complex enough to not be cracked, or at least be able to recognize that their signs have been stolen, and then change them, you deserve to have them stolen. Shit, in college, half of our pitching staff we're sitting there with notepads, trying to find consistencies. Our signs changed based on how many outs there were, and which bases runners were on. This has been part of the game since day one. Technology has improved, that doesn't change the fact that it's still part of the game.
November 12, 20196 yr There's still a lot that goes into stealing signs - it's an art itself. At the MLB level, if they can't make signs complex enough to not be cracked, or at least be able to recognize that their signs have been stolen, and then change them, you deserve to have them stolen. Shit, in college, half of our pitching staff we're sitting there with notepads, trying to find consistencies. Our signs changed based on how many outs there were, and which bases runners were on. This has been part of the game since day one. Technology has improved, that doesn't change the fact that it's still part of the game. There is a difference between picking up on tipped pitches and using camera technology to steal signs. Just watch this video: There is no way they could relay the pitches back so quickly without technology.
November 13, 20196 yr Author There is no way they could relay the pitches back so quickly without technology. Yeah and using tech to steal signs is forbidden. Not an unwritten rule, but a written one.
November 13, 20196 yr Yeah this is different. I'd be so embarrassed to be a player participating in this. This is blatant cheating. This is like having a camera on your opponents hand in poker. Dare I say this taints that 2017 championship and it taints all the hype around what a supposedly amazing organization the Astros have become in recent years.
November 13, 20196 yr Yeah and using tech to steal signs is forbidden. Not an unwritten rule, but a written one. How did they find the time to write down this rule but still haven't written down so many other unwritten rules?
November 13, 20196 yr There is no way they could relay the pitches back so quickly without technology. I don't know if that's necessarily the case. Runners on second base steal signs & relay back to the batter all the time. Of course, they'd have to get more creative doing it from the center-field stands, but it could be done. I don't recall the outcome of it, but there was speculation that the Blue Jays were doing it during home games a few years back. If using technology truly is banned, like @SonOfJack says, then by all means. Otherwise, I see a catcher giving uncoded signs, and the other team taking advantage of it.
November 13, 20196 yr Author If using technology truly is banned, like @SonOfJack says, then by all means. Every report today is calling this an illegal move if it went down as Fiers said it did. I do get what you're saying though.
November 13, 20196 yr Author https://www.foxnews.com/sports/yu-darvish-apologies-astros-cheating-allegations-surface
November 13, 20196 yr I don't know if that's necessarily the case. Runners on second base steal signs & relay back to the batter all the time. Of course, they'd have to get more creative doing it from the center-field stands, but it could be done. I don't recall the outcome of it, but there was speculation that the Blue Jays were doing it during home games a few years back. If using technology truly is banned, like @SonOfJack says, then by all means. Otherwise, I see a catcher giving uncoded signs, and the other team taking advantage of it. A runner on base realizing and stealing signs is completely different than intentionally using technology on every pitch.
November 13, 20196 yr And boy is it really just about every pitch. Check this thread. [MEDIA=twitter]1194348775965437952[/MEDIA]
November 13, 20196 yr Author Did Fiers break an unwritten rule by disclosing this though? Or was he bound to disclose it by an unwritten rule?
November 13, 20196 yr Did Fiers break an unwritten rule by disclosing this though? Or was he bound to disclose it by an unwritten rule? I think any rules about the unwritten rules should be put in writing.
November 13, 20196 yr Did Fiers break an unwritten rule by disclosing this though? Or was he bound to disclose it by an unwritten rule? So he violated an unwritten rule to expose the violation of a written rule?
November 13, 20196 yr Author So he violated an unwritten rule to expose the violation of a written rule? I believe he did, but it is hard to prove without any written evidence.
November 13, 20196 yr I believe he did, but it is hard to prove without any written evidence. Do you have any unwritten proof?
November 14, 20196 yr Author https://nypost.com/2019/11/14/mets-carlos-beltran-played-key-role-in-astros-sign-stealing-report/
November 14, 20196 yr Author https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28078579/sources-mlb-contacts-astros-red-sox-sign-stealing-investigation-expands
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