7 minutes ago, mystikol87 said:

You think that gets Reynolds or Laureano or both? It's a no-brainer's no-brainer for Reynolds, and I'd do it for Laureano, too.

Pablo won't be part of either trade, IMO, since both teams are rebuilding and would prefer prospects.

The rest make sense.

If we could do mix and match that group to get both, I'd honestly do that and create ultra-redundancy in the outfield. Laureano is an amazing defender. Reynolds is OK so he could be moved to a corner in the 8th/9th or just removed if we have a decent enough lead.

21 minutes ago, mystikol87 said:

You think that gets Reynolds or Laureano or both? It's a no-brainer's no-brainer for Reynolds, and I'd do it for Laureano, too.

Neither of those teams want Pablo (that's still a Brandon Marsh move), but I think that's light for Reynolds as there needs to be a "second" centerpiece at minimum and I'm not sure if Sixto/Eder count for that just to add them, and likely a little too much for Laureano unless he comes back with full 4+ per 600/PA WAR force (which hasn't been the case since 18/19 rates). Maybe you downgrade Salas/Lewis and add a lesser third player (Morisette?) and take back something else minor from Oakland to offset moving a potential #2 or better SP. It's hard, and why I think Laureano makes the most sense right now. I understand the Marlins position in wanting to make a perfect deal and appropriately valuing the CF, but YOLO, CF talent is low across MLB, and the pitchers are good right now with more coming. Something has got to give. I don't think the Blue Jays are complaining about Berrios right now and that's the exact kind of move that needs to be made.

9 hours ago, taiwanmarlin said:

This team need to do everything to keep him in the Miami forever. 

Impossible. This weekend they have a series in San Diego so he can't stay in Miami forever.

4 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

Impossible. This weekend they have a series in San Diego so he can't stay in Miami forever.

Don: "Hmmm actually can we just play him in home games?"

9 minutes ago, SilverBullet said:

Impossible. This weekend they have a series in San Diego so he can't stay in Miami forever.

13 hours ago, hovertical said:

At this point even one of them getting hot would transform the offense

We don’t even need hot, just “normal” or even “lukewarm”

Just now, rmc523 said:

We don’t even need hot, just “normal” or even “lukewarm”

Semi-decent.

2 hours ago, rmc523 said:

We don’t even need hot, just “normal” or even “lukewarm”

Hot is being used in a relative sense to their current performance so yeah a week of even hitting .250 with an obp% of 330ish would be amazing for either of them. Both have been nearly automatic outs and yet, as usual, they've probably gotten more at bats than anyone else on the team.

5 hours ago, MarlinsLou said:

You're right. It's not the 8th best SP they should trade. They should trade the 5th best longterm RHP SP in the organization - and I leave this up to everyone to personally decide - for a superstar bat. Effectively, that's probably SP 7 longterm not 8.

Keep Sandy, pick three of Pablo, Meyer, Eury, and Cabrera, Sixto, Hernandez, and all the lefties - Rogers, Luzardo, Eder, and Fulton. Surely, they can survive short term (this year!) with Sandy/Rogers/Luzardo/at least two of Pablo-Meyer-Cabrera/Hernandez while Sixto and Eder recover, and Eury and Fulton progress. 

This surely gets you something awesome. I continually have no words.

Pablo/Meyer/Eury/Cabrera 
Bleday/Burdick
Salas/Lewis
 

As bad as this is going to sound, I still think Pablo is the SP I prefer to deal out of that group. And unfortunately, there’s almost no way they can truly trade him given the PR situation, even if it is the best baseball move. 

Pablo would immediately go from a solid young SP to a future Cy Young winner in every media bit. 

3 hours ago, MarlinsLou said:

Neither of those teams want Pablo (that's still a Brandon Marsh move), but I think that's light for Reynolds as there needs to be a "second" centerpiece at minimum and I'm not sure if Sixto/Eder count for that just to add them, and likely a little too much for Laureano unless he comes back with full 4+ per 600/PA WAR force (which hasn't been the case since 18/19 rates). Maybe you downgrade Salas/Lewis and add a lesser third player (Morisette?) and take back something else minor from Oakland to offset moving a potential #2 or better SP. It's hard, and why I think Laureano makes the most sense right now. I understand the Marlins position in wanting to make a perfect deal and appropriately valuing the CF, but YOLO, CF talent is low across MLB, and the pitchers are good right now with more coming. Something has got to give. I don't think the Blue Jays are complaining about Berrios right now and that's the exact kind of move that needs to be made.

I still dont think Laureano is the “Yolo” piece were missing. We need a middle of the order type bat that can hit #3 every night and has an advanced approach. We need a legitimate .900+ ops guy in the middle of this order. 
 

I don’t care if it comes from CF, 3B, SS, 1B, we need that middle of the order guy that every other piece compliments. I understand those guys don’t come available often, but if one even slightly becomes available (like STL did with Arrenado), that’s when we need to Yolo trade. 

Laureano is a really good option as a CF upgrade, but he wouldn’t provide the juice offensively necessary to transform this team IMO.

2 minutes ago, marlins_09 said:

I still dont think Laureano is the “Yolo” piece were missing. We need a middle of the order type bat that can hit #3 every night and has an advanced approach. We need a legitimate .900+ ops guy in the middle of this order. 
 

I don’t care if it comes from CF, 3B, SS, 1B, we need that middle of the order guy that every other piece compliments. I understand those guys don’t come available often, but if one even slightly becomes available (like STL did with Arrenado), that’s when we need to Yolo trade. 

Laureano is a really good option as a CF upgrade, but he wouldn’t provide the juice offensively necessary to transform this team IMO.

Yep, I want that epic bat in there as well. They need some dependable elite production from the lineup. In actuality they could use the elite bat plus one more +bat as well but the elite bat is desperately needed more than anything.

2 minutes ago, hovertical said:

Yep, I want that epic bat in there as well. They need some dependable elite production from the lineup. In actuality they could use the elite bat plus one more +bat as well but the elite bat is desperately needed more than anything.

Ideally, we’d be going after Laureano + the elite bat. That would truly make this lineup contender worthy. 

However, if were operating under the assumption that they want to keep *most* of their SP and prospects, and they’re in the market for one splash deal, the premium needs to be placed on offensive production. Not limited to simply upgrading CF IMO. 1B, 3B, SS, all 3 OF spots are available. We can move guys around to fit the best lineup on a nightly basis. Just find the elite bat 

2 minutes ago, marlins_09 said:

Just find the elite bat 

https://axebat.com/products/2021-elite-one-3-bbcor-baseball

 

6 hours ago, taiwanmarlin said:

 

Devastating how everyone but Don Mattingly realizes how awesome Jazz can be.

Just now, SilverBullet said:

https://axebat.com/products/2021-elite-one-3-bbcor-baseball

Only $200 on sale and we still don’t have on #CheapJeter 

I wonder what the price for a guy like Nolan Gorman would be 

10 minutes ago, marlins_09 said:

I wonder what the price for a guy like Nolan Gorman would be 

Meyer, Bleday, Eury.

1 hour ago, marlins_09 said:

As bad as this is going to sound, I still think Pablo is the SP I prefer to deal out of that group. And unfortunately, there’s almost no way they can truly trade him given the PR situation, even if it is the best baseball move. 

Pablo would immediately go from a solid young SP to a future Cy Young winner in every media bit. 

IF, and I mean IF, this is Brandon Marsh level, or they are able to three-team this with Pablo going somewhere else and that team paying prospects for Reynolds, I do think this is the right move. Pablo is great, but I think you "risk" him versus 6+ years of control for Meyer, Eury, and Cabrera. The service time is what it is and that's a lot more cheaper innings. I think nearly everyone here would agree with this type of move and not be made.

To note the hecklers - yes I know Reynolds is "below average" defensively in CF and I am making a stink of Sanchez also being "below average" in CF but both of them can still play CF well enough so redundancy is created, LF defense is vastly improved, and CF defense isn't a total abomination (like Soler in the field). It works if the price for Reynolds is right and deal with future problems in CF 3-4 years.

1 hour ago, marlins_09 said:

I still dont think Laureano is the “Yolo” piece were missing. We need a middle of the order type bat that can hit #3 every night and has an advanced approach. We need a legitimate .900+ ops guy in the middle of this order. 
 

I don’t care if it comes from CF, 3B, SS, 1B, we need that middle of the order guy that every other piece compliments. I understand those guys don’t come available often, but if one even slightly becomes available (like STL did with Arrenado), that’s when we need to Yolo trade. 

Laureano is a really good option as a CF upgrade, but he wouldn’t provide the juice offensively necessary to transform this team IMO.

I don't disagree with you this team needs 2-5 offensive upgrades and Laureano would just be one of the bigger "two pieces." The others are Berti and Henry upgrades with guys who hit lefties, which are minor and can be dealt with at the deadline, and then upgrade one of Aguilar/Cooper or I suppose one of BA/Rojas/Wendle. That later ship sailed with Correa/Bryant though. 

I think you get a CF right now, and deal with 1B/Bench upgrades at the deadline. Basically, trade for Soler/Rosario/Duvall in July for nothing but get the CF ASAP.

1 hour ago, hovertical said:

Yep, I want that epic bat in there as well. They need some dependable elite production from the lineup. In actuality they could use the elite bat plus one more +bat as well but the elite bat is desperately needed more than anything.

It depends - a CF upgrades DLC radically, OF defense entirely, and 1B/DH productivity with playing better splits. This is as trickle down as it gets. A middle of the order guy upgrades presumably Aguilar/Cooper (who are easy 1.5+ WAR players) or BA (better than them probably). A lot more juice is coming from CF improvements which is why this is first short and longterm for me. Practically, Soler/Garica/Aguilar will be better as the season goes along so greater impact is CF.

 

1 hour ago, marlins_09 said:

Ideally, we’d be going after Laureano + the elite bat. That would truly make this lineup contender worthy. 

However, if were operating under the assumption that they want to keep *most* of their SP and prospects, and they’re in the market for one splash deal, the premium needs to be placed on offensive production. Not limited to simply upgrading CF IMO. 1B, 3B, SS, all 3 OF spots are available. We can move guys around to fit the best lineup on a nightly basis. Just find the elite bat 

We should operate under that assumption, however:

1 - They can get the CF moving "1" of the 7 core pitchers if they do it right, along with Bleday/Burdick, and 1-2 of Sixto/Eder/Fulton/Salas/Lewis who all are valuable yet expendable. They can move up to four of the top 12 prospects/Pablo basically and they will be fine.

2 - They can use prospects 13-25 to get suitable upgrades at the deadline on expiring deals. Look at the Braves. We're talking Berti/Henry improvements. It's not going to cost a lot to get some guys who hit lefties even a smidge. 

3 - Payroll is a joke so that elite bat is a free agent next year. They can't sacrifice more of the farm to get it now unless they are committed to really spending next few years. It's Correa opting out or something. At some point, they cannot do this all internally and have to spend more than just Garcia/Soler. They know it. So trade now and spend later, or spend later. This is why Jeter quit. I think he sees the writing on the wall but I am optimistic.

 

They need to do it all. 1-2 epic upgrades, even if only 1 is possible this season, and use minor assets to continually improve bench to shift guys around. Hope the SP catches fire, etc.

1 hour ago, MarlinsLou said:

They need to do it all. 1-2 epic upgrades, even if only 1 is possible this season, and use minor assets to continually improve bench to shift guys around. Hope Avisail and Soler catch on fire and burn to a crisp, etc.

yes

Wendle not available !?

6 hours ago, marlins_09 said:

I still dont think Laureano is the “Yolo” piece were missing. We need a middle of the order type bat that can hit #3 every night and has an advanced approach. We need a legitimate .900+ ops guy in the middle of this order. 
 

I don’t care if it comes from CF, 3B, SS, 1B, we need that middle of the order guy that every other piece compliments. I understand those guys don’t come available often, but if one even slightly becomes available (like STL did with Arrenado), that’s when we need to Yolo trade. 

Laureano is a really good option as a CF upgrade, but he wouldn’t provide the juice offensively necessary to transform this team IMO.

 

But who are we getting that's at that level now that it's the middle of the season?