Clay is going to need to engineer a 10-game win streak for me to get over this, honestly.

I still thinking hanging onto Alcantra was a mistake. And not this game.

A rare good game against San Diego and a mediocre game against St. Louis where he labored through 5 IP and was lucky not to give up likely changed their mind but...

Hes just not good anymore.

Just now, Michael said:

Clay is going to need to engineer a 10-game win streak for me to get over this, honestly.

He might get better. It's his first season, after all. However, results aside, he's a terrible in game manager.

To his credit, he does a great job keeping the team motivated and playing hard and has a great coaching staff and a great teaching approach.

This could also be a result of having quite a young team here and trying to figure out stuff.

I've turned off the game, though, risk of breaking stuff has gotten pretty high.

Not enough people realize that off of Sandy's 4-seamer, the batted ball profile is Kyle Stowers with less wiff...

1 minute ago, Spike said:

I still thinking hanging onto Alcantra was a mistake. And not this game.

A rare good game against San Diego and a mediocre game against St. Louis where he labored through 5 IP and was lucky not to give up likely changed their mind but...

Hes just not good anymore.

I disagree. It would have been selling low. He's still not even 30 and the stuff is still there. A good off season with this drive line staff and I'm betting he has a bounce back 2026.

6 minutes ago, Rydawg said:

You think Girardi was worse than Mattingly?

For us? Pretty much.

If I saw Randy Messenger in another high leverage situation I would have shot my television. And I don't recall Mattingly ever punching one of our pitchers.

Like I get it. The curveball has been bad. But so has every other pitch besides the sinker. The issue is that he can't locate it, so the other hitters cross off that pitch. The slider and chanegup work off the sinker, so those pitches are worse off as a result.

1 minute ago, Rydawg said:

I disagree. It would have been selling low. He's still not even 30 and the stuff is still there. A good off season with this drive line staff and I'm betting he has a bounce back 2026.

My prediction is that he works his butt off in the offseason. He gets the sinker figured out. Everything else falls into place. Sandy wins CBPOY in 2026.

1 minute ago, EricWiener1970 said:

For us? Pretty much.

If I saw Randy Messenger in another high leverage situation I would have shot my television. And I don't recall Mattingly ever punching one of our pitchers.

I don't know man. Mattingly was God awful. I thought Girardi was at least OK.

I think almost everyone doesn't realize how bad our bullpen actually is. It's comprised mostly of castoffs and DFAs from other organizations and it has been held together by duct tape and load management. Eventually they are going to regress to who they really are.

The good news is that we have a decent pipeline in AA as well as the low rookie leagues to sustain future success. That and flipping a couple of the fringe starters should give us some depth.

We have zero MLB quality LHPs in bullpen (Nardi is harder to locate than Waldo or Carmen San Diego) and truthfully the righties are mostly one-trick ponies that are vulnerable when that one trick hasn't worked. I have confidence this will be addressed in the future.

4 minutes ago, TheMarlinsProject said:

I think almost everyone doesn't realize how bad our bullpen actually is. It's comprised mostly of castoffs and DFAs from other organizations and it has been held together by duct tape and load management. Eventually they are going to regress to who they really are.

The good news is that we have a decent pipeline in AA as well as the low rookie leagues to sustain future success. That and flipping a couple of the fringe starters should give us some depth.

We have zero MLB quality LHPs in bullpen (Nardi is harder to locate than Waldo or Carmen San Diego) and truthfully the righties are mostly one-trick ponies that are vulnerable when that one trick hasn't worked. I have confidence this will be addressed in the future.

Except, it really hasn't been the regulars that are imploding. Soriano had no business pitching in a close game. He shouldn't even be on the roster. Simpson also has no business pitching in a close game, and probably doesn't belong on the roster either.

Bellozo, has an important role as a long man out of the pen and he's having a good season all things considered. However, he has no business in a high leverage situation.

I get there aren't that many options, and thats more on Bendix than Clayton, but his choices lately have been real head scratchers to say the least.

To their credit, Bender, Faucher, Henriquez, Philips, and Bellozo have all been pretty good this season.

25 minutes ago, Spike said:

I still thinking hanging onto Alcantra was a mistake. And not this game.

A rare good game against San Diego and a mediocre game against St. Louis where he labored through 5 IP and was lucky not to give up likely changed their mind but...

Hes just not good anymore.

Spike? That's a blast from the past. Haven't seen you post in a while.

My point being we have not developed any relievers within the organization and that is an area that needs and is being heavily addressed. We are playing catch-up.

Bender was a minor league signing. He's done admirable work for us.

Henriquez was a waiver wire pickup. Arguably our best bullpen arm.

Phillips was a DFA waiver. He's got one good pitch.

Faucher was a throw-in in the Vidal Brujan trade. He's been up and down.

Bellozo was in a trade for Marlin legend Jacob Amaya. He is a soft tosser with grit.

The best Marlin farmhand developed in the bullpen is George Soriano (Marlin lifer). That is not the level we need to be at obviously.

The 2025 Marlins had a good run. No one should be surprised that we got swept at the House of Horrors today. Lots to look forward to in 2026. I wish one of those things was a new manager but I doubt it.

14 minutes ago, DTrain said:

The 2025 Marlins had a good run. No one should be surprised that we got swept at the House of Horrors today. Lots to look forward to in 2026. I wish one of those things was a new manager but I doubt it.

He really needs a year, but he was absolutely terrible today, his worst day of year and couldn’t come worse time

1 minute ago, pollythewog said:

How did these guys not pitch? Clayton really on one today

2 hours ago, Rydawg said:

I disagree. It would have been selling low. He's still not even 30 and the stuff is still there. A good off season with this drive line staff and I'm betting he has a bounce back 2026.

I mean he turns 30 in less than a month lol. And "stuff is still there" isn't really a flex because his stuff has never really been anything to write home about. Not that it was bad by any means, but he has always kind of pitched above what his stuff and peripherals say he should be.

And people kind of forget because of the injury but he wasnt particularly good in 2023 before the injury. His ERA, xERA, FIP, and xFIP were all over 4 and his K rate, which has never been particularly good anyway, was even lower.

He was a pitch to contact guy with a very good sinker. The pitch clock and shift ban really took away his strengths.

10 hours ago, DTrain said:

The 2025 Marlins had a good run. No one should be surprised that we got swept at the House of Horrors today. Lots to look forward to in 2026. I wish one of those things was a new manager but I doubt it.

the run was fun but reality is setting in and they’re coming back to earth. They buried themselves too much and are running out of gas. And questionable managerial moves are costing games, while Sandy continues to be terrible.

I was just starting to believe after the Yankees series lol

10 hours ago, pollythewog said:

This is crazy. I understand giving them one of the two off but not at all?

55 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

the run was fun but reality is setting in and they’re coming back to earth. They buried themselves too much and are running out of gas. And questionable managerial moves are costing games, while Sandy continues to be terrible.

I was just starting to believe after the Yankees series lol

This is crazy. I understand giving them one of the two off but not at all?

Wasn’t intentional - they all had Friday off to. Clayton was managing for the next game rather the game right front of him which is a huge weakness in how he manages and has been all season. This coupled with fact 1/4 of the guys on the 26 man are below replacement level and the Stowers slump makes for a very bad team