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I think I read somewhere that there is a 25 year assurance that the Marlins can't be moved! On the other topic, I think switching your allegiance to a team because of a couple of lousy seasons is a bit harsh. like other people mentioned, take some time, dont watch as much TV... Exactly, ever team loses. Unless your a fan of baseball as a sport- i don't see how you should give up on a team so easily.

can someone who's a swell writer write up a letter to Loria that I could post on http://facebook.com/sellthemarlins ? I have a ton of ideas I want to convey but I just can't write them out very well. sellthemarlins.com is also coming. we need to get this movement going. the Marlins can and should be a storied franchise. now we're a joke. and the franchise is not going to be in Miami long if it keeps going down this path. he killed the Expos. he's about to kill the Marlins. before anyone pull the "he got us a stadium" sh*t, he scammed the city of Miami into paying for a stadium, while alienating the a considerable amount of the fan base and putting a terrible product on the field. don't give me that. He didn't kill the Expos, Montreal did. When he made cash calls and the minority owners said no, he was forced to take the brunt of the losses. When he asked Montreal for a new stadium they shot it down. He didn't kill the Expos, Montreal did. He washed his hands of the Expos, which is a completely different animal. Read this: then tell me who killed the Expos http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2004/11/Issue-46/Franchises/Arbitration-Ruling-Effectively-Ends-Loria-Rico-Suit.aspx

If you had a favorite restaurant that you loved to eat at and they got bought out by a new management group and changed the menu around, hired a new service staff that sucks, and put out a bad product, would you continue to eat at that restaurant? Not the perfect analogy but that's pretty much how I feel. That's a horrible analogy, simply because the front office has been the same at this restaurant for 10 years. Not to mention they also made sure the restaurant wasn't moving to a new location in San Antonio when they FINALLY built a new location in a historic location.

lol Clark Spencer tweets that the Marlins players are all listening to Ozzie's interview on LeBatard's show in the locker room. this is nuts man. *sigh*....this team. sh*t's about to get real, lol. Funny they are listening to it. They should replay Bells interview in July where he got pissed at lebatard.

Sorry puma, adios. Your a fan of the team, not the ownership. Hence why we as a group have followed the team from Huizinga, to Henry, to Loria. It can be argued that Loria did more for this franchise's future and past then any previous owner, including Huizinga. You could be embarrassed to say your a marlins fan, but to jump ship shows that you didn't have an interest in them strong enough to begin with. Would Rab ever renounce his love for all things Astros? He's gone through arguably a worse ten years then you have.

Wow Ozzie telling Loria to look in a f***ing mirror probably brought down the axe on his career here if we are going off Loria's history. Where did he say that?

Holy sh*t, that was an incredible ending though. As far as the pass interference goes, they NEVER call PI on Hail Mary's. It's always a jump ball and every man for himself. I don't think I've ever seen a PI called on a play like that. Great game either way. Legendary even.

Did they really underperform or was there unreasonable expectation & over estimation made of talent by Loria and his hand-picked front office ?. Not to nit pick, but no one thought Hanley would be as bad as he was- and not for two years either. Every MLB talent evaluator still would have picked him for their team, the issue with him always was "What position is he". Bell is what he is. Everyone thought Gaby would be serviceable, same with Buck, They were outright atrocious. Buck at the Mendoza line would have been acceptable compared to now. Meanwhile some organizations have righted their ships since Loria bought the franchise, like Tampa. They were a perrinial loser until changes were made with a new ownership and VOILA, they are more in contention & well thought of as a franchise than Loria & his Marlins. The Rays had a change in philosophy and had 8 years of top 5 draft picks to get their players. Every first round pick is a crap shoot, but if you have 8 top 5 picks, you better hit on a few- and they did. Since 1999, this is who they have drafted in the first round- 99- Josh Hamilton 1st Overall 00- Rocco Baldelli 6th Overall 02- BJ Upton - 2nd overall 03- Delmon Young 1st overall 04- Jeff Niemann 4th Overall 06- Evan Longoria 3rd Overall 07- David Price 1st Overall Silverman gets credit for drafting Longria and Price, but he shouldn't be applauded for finding talent that pretty much fell into his lap. Every player in the top 5 of the draft has potential and talent, and are deemed close to ready. The truth is they also haven't signed a premier free agent either, and taken the risk Loria has. Yes they got to a WS in 2008, but they lost 4 games to 1 and haven't been back. Now look at the Rangers, who have some home grown talent, but most of their talent was signed as Free Agents and trades, such as Josh Hamilton, Adrian Beltre, Mike Napoli and Vladimir Guerrero. Even Cliff Lee, and Bengie Molina were important in their first WS Run. They since have gone to 2 WS, and this after tearing apart the team in 2007 and rebuilding with a base of Ian Kinsler and Michael Young (Sound Familiar? Miggy, Willingham and Hermida). The Rangers hit on FA and trades, the Marlins have tried to mimic that by having a strong base of young talent, and suplementing it with free agents who can help the team win.But the Rangers also gt by with sheer dumb luck, almost losing Nelson Cruz through waivers and drafting in the rule 5 draft a guy who wouldn't be allowed in the US for 5 years. Like someone else said, Loria and Co can't be blamed for Ramirez, Sanchez, Buck, Bell, Morrison and Nolasco (Early) essentially playing like Minor Leaguers in the field. They had holes at positions last offseason, and they attempted to plug them with All Stars and MLB batting champs. They did what they could and everyone including MLB circles thought they did a great job.

Loria for GM, and Manager. Lets limit the amount of approvals we need. You want the player for 3B? Cut the check. Jajajajajajaja (hahahahaha)

Goldfish memory. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldfish_Memory ???

I swear to god, I do NOT want Bo Porter. I'd rather see Loria tell Beinfest you built it, you manage it. That or Loria himself manage it and fire Beinfest after he sees just how little talent the managers have. Curious, think Girardi,Valentine and Lowell all get in the mix if they and Ozzie are canned? I can see Loria going after one of the first two if available and the feelings are mutual, then letting Ozzie walk I guess we know why valentine wasn't on the job last year if rumors of Ozzie being displeased with the procedure for roster moves are true.

Was lookin' for the game thread to post this in, but doesn't look like anyone started one. At any rate, I am curious if today's starting lineup is the worst starting lineup (based on OPS) fielded by any team at any point this season. The players and their OPS are below: Peterson - .555 Hernandez - .557 Reyes - .786 Lee - .713 Dobbs - .715 Solano - .672 Buck - .663 Velazquez - .333 Buerhle - .108 I'm too lazy to come up with the volume-weighted OPS for the entire lineup, but I can't imagine any team putting out a worse offense than that. The Astros.

LouieCastillo, a few people have told me you have a problem with me. Feel like being a man and saying it in person or will you continue to hide behind the keyboard? It's not my fault your home life is all f***ed up, lonely and depressed. If you weren't such an ass you just may have a friend or two. Lol! Look at Mr. Internet tough guy trying to pick a fight. Cute. I wouldn't say you need to get thicker skin, since you already seem fat enough. But feel free to grow a nutsack and stop getting offended by every little thing. I have absolutely no problem with gays, you, or anyone for that matter. You obviously have a deep emotional problem with gays, as you refer to anything marlins related as gay. I had to call you out on it in the past, because it got to the point others were offended. I get it, you were molested when you were younger. Now everything is explained. I don't have a problem with my weight, as a matter of fat fact my nickname is Tubby and has been for over 10 years. Some of my closest friends didn't know my real name at first. Some of my teammates in college never learned my real name. Rest assured, Mr Internet tough guy over here isn't going to hide behind a keyboard. Your a bigot, and that's something that's intolerable. It takes pebbles to hide behind a keyboard and spout insults. Wait until the one with boulders in his pants stops by, youll see what happens.

Relaaaax, maaan, relaaaax. LOL, Heisenberg says relax.... Orale Homes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=froA8hn2Ppc

Do people really think his weight is a relevant thing? Do you really think people think his weight irrelephant? A few pounds will do any person wonders, look at miggy for instance. There is some weight to the argument, no pun intended. The thing is, with his skills declining- he should do everything to delay it. Being overweight impedes any progress he may get. I really feel like he labors with every pitch.

Here on MarlinsBaseball, I feel our speech is protected. This is less of the 'public eye', if you ask me. However, this is the one time that I'm 100% behind Heath Bell. He deserves to speak right now. I pretty much fully agree with what Erick said. Remember when I said his homelife is in the shitter, and we need to pull back on bashing him- regardless of his money? Yeah Penguino, I'm talking to you. Wear it.

LouieCastillo, a few people have told me you have a problem with me. Feel like being a man and saying it in person or will you continue to hide behind the keyboard? It's not my fault your home life is all f***ed up, lonely and depressed. If you weren't such an ass you just may have a friend or two.

Every gay man in America hasn't been beaten up. The terrible memory the word 'fag' brings up to most is probably just a bunch of idiots shouting it to them from a moving car, or some religious group telling them that God hates them. But before that quote you posted, that same guy says 'I think you should use whatever words you want. When you use it on stage, I can see it's funny and I don't care.' He probably wouldn't care about what Yunel Escobar said either. He is responding to Nick DiPaulo, a professional comedian. A person who says things professionally for the sake of making people laugh. I think there's a pretty obvious difference between that and a guy who is paid to hit baseballs. But I can see this isn't really worth the discussion. So we're arbitrarily deciding who gets to say words and who doesn't get to say words? If Nick DiPaulo can say the word fag in a joking way, so can Yunel Escobar - regardless of his profession. Nick DiPaulo doesn't have professional license to say hurtful words if they hurt other people just because he's a comedian. The difference solely is one is paid to speak, and entertain. Sometimes, being lewd is entertaining. Yunel is paid to play baseball, he shouldn't have done something so stupid because of the uproar it will cause. With Dipaulo, you tune in or show up and you know what your getting. If you don't like it, you know the circumstances goin in, and you can walk out. With Yunel, your REALLY caught off guard based on the premise you went to a baseball game and not a comedy act. It's similar to people saying LoMo is immature on twitter. You have the power to unfollow him if you don't like it, but at a game he's professional enough chewing on his fingernails in LF and doesn't call anyone a homo or take pictures of chicks breast feeding. In other words, Yunels was uncalled for- especially given the time and place he did it. Dipaulo and LoMo you technically sign up for it, so it shouldn't be shocked or hurt when you see it. So saying things that are deemed to be mean and hurtful are OK as long as people are given fair warning? How many people possibly saw what Yunel wrote on his cheeks before cameras zoomed in, brought it to attention, and people published stories on it? Had, on the other hand, LoMo posted 'you're a fag!' on twitter randomly (and referred to no one in particular, just as Yunel did), the media would probably have jumped on that as well, and people would have been just as pissed off after it comes out on ESPN. Does your opinion on people's negative reaction change because LoMo said it on twitter and not in a baseball game? Is it not OK to react this way then? My point is that words like these may be said in a mean-spirited way, but they also may not be. People have all of the convoluted unpublished rules in their heads about what's OK to say, and when, and what isn't that they can barely keep track of it themselves. Hell, Tosh made a rape joke once that got publicized, and people were mightily offended. Are you going to tell those people to suck it up because it's Tosh? They still heard the joke on the news and it might have 'brought up terrible memories' as someone previously posted. That logic doesn't work, if what you're caring for is people's feelings, because they'll be hurt either way. And if it isn't people's feelings you're concerned about, I don't know what is, because there's literally nothing else that would anger someone over this. Umm, Lomo has repeatedly called people gay on his twitter page. Not only that, but he's gone as far to make jokes about F***n other peoples women. If your given fair warning, and show up anyway and supporting an entertainer with your money- you have no right to be offended when it's uttered. Your allowed to be indifferent however, which I've seen many a time. Tosh's rape joke was in reference to a heckler if I remember, who said thats not funny walking out while he was in the middle of a making a joke that rape can be funny.

Every gay man in America hasn't been beaten up. The terrible memory the word 'fag' brings up to most is probably just a bunch of idiots shouting it to them from a moving car, or some religious group telling them that God hates them. But before that quote you posted, that same guy says 'I think you should use whatever words you want. When you use it on stage, I can see it's funny and I don't care.' He probably wouldn't care about what Yunel Escobar said either. He is responding to Nick DiPaulo, a professional comedian. A person who says things professionally for the sake of making people laugh. I think there's a pretty obvious difference between that and a guy who is paid to hit baseballs. But I can see this isn't really worth the discussion. So we're arbitrarily deciding who gets to say words and who doesn't get to say words? If Nick DiPaulo can say the word fag in a joking way, so can Yunel Escobar - regardless of his profession. Nick DiPaulo doesn't have professional license to say hurtful words if they hurt other people just because he's a comedian. The difference solely is one is paid to speak, and entertain. Sometimes, being lewd is entertaining. Yunel is paid to play baseball, he shouldn't have done something so stupid because of the uproar it will cause. With Dipaulo, you tune in or show up and you know what your getting. If you don't like it, you know the circumstances goin in, and you can walk out. With Yunel, your REALLY caught off guard based on the premise you went to a baseball game and not a comedy act. It's similar to people saying LoMo is immature on twitter. You have the power to unfollow him if you don't like it, but at a game he's professional enough chewing on his fingernails in LF and doesn't call anyone a homo or take pictures of chicks breast feeding. In other words, Yunels was uncalled for- especially given the time and place he did it. Dipaulo and LoMo you technically sign up for it, so it shouldn't be shocked or hurt when you see it.

Yunel Escobar of the Toronto Blue Jays got suspended 3 games for writing an offensive slur "tu ere maricon", which translates to "you're a f*ggot" on his eyeblack. He says he did it for fun and didn't mean anything by it. I can understand something like that, but he has to know what the words mean, and that it would cause trouble. I didn't know louiecastillo played baseball, for the Blue Jays no less. I think he was referring to you. Before the game: "Hay mira, me acorde del gordo que le gustan los Marling con su uniforme de pajaraco." How cute, you can write in Spanish. It's even cuter you think I'll read it.

I don't think there's anything funny about it. It's random, that's true. It's not a heinous crime, but it's stupid, offensive, and not funny to me. Something that is clearly a joke can be in bad taste/rude/offensive/etc. That doesn't automatically excuse it. Come on, now. Gay friends whom he respects? Ooh, cool, now it's totally justified and none of those I mentioned above! Come on, now. It's not a crime, period. I can't believe you'd say that. I guess we differ in opinion, because I don't believe it to be in bad taste. If it offends someone, then they need to get thicker skin. It wasn't directed at anyone, and it's a common enough insult for it to lose all literal meaning among those who aren't overly sensitive to words. http-~~-//www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-55wC5dEnc Just to quote the kicker, in case you don't want to watch the whole thing: "You might want to know that every gay man in America has probably had that word shouted at them when they’re being beaten up, sometimes many times, sometimes by a lot of people all at once. So, when you say it, it kind of brings that all back up. But, you know, use it. By all means, get your laughs. But now you know what it means." Every gay man in America hasn't been beaten up. The terrible memory the word 'fag' brings up to most is probably just a bunch of idiots shouting it to them from a moving car, or some religious group telling them that God hates them. But before that quote you posted, that same guy says 'I think you should use whatever words you want. When you use it on stage, I can see it's funny and I don't care.' He probably wouldn't care about what Yunel Escobar said either. Check out the bold, he didnt say every gay man has gotten beaten up. He said every gay man has probably heard it while getting beaten up. And every gay man has been called a fag, even the in the closet ones. It's just one of those things you grow up hearing and eventually take it out of your vernacular.

Yunel Escobar of the Toronto Blue Jays got suspended 3 games for writing an offensive slur "tu ere maricon", which translates to "you're a f*ggot" on his eyeblack. He says he did it for fun and didn't mean anything by it. I can understand something like that, but he has to know what the words mean, and that it would cause trouble. I didn't know louiecastillo played baseball, for the Blue Jays no less.

Why are the Marlins honoring Chipper, again? Because he is a hall of famer and its a classy thing to do. I think everyone knows he's a great player. Can't we just keep it at that? He has terrorized the Marlins forever....I don't see the need to honor him. Funny they honored him by giving him fishing gear

Why are the Marlins honoring Chipper, again? Because he is a hall of famer and its a classy thing to do. I think everyone knows he's a great player. Can't we just keep it at that? He has terrorized the Marlins forever....I don't see the need to honor him. Funny they honored him by giving him fishing gear

f*** YES. GJ Reyes.