Thinking about jumping ship

[Puma]

I really hate to be this guy, but with rumors swirling that the Marlins are going to cut payroll for 2013 I am considering renouncing my fanhood for this team.

 

I have been a fan all of my life, but I am losing patience with the way this organization is run.

 

Loria is incompetent and incapable of properly running a Major League Baseball franchise. Manager after manager comes through the door, and all the while the man who is most responsible for the Marlins failures in the last 9 years gets to keep his job (Beinfest). Unbelievable. He calls Freddi Gonzalez a "colossal failure" even though he managed winning teams with scant payrolls. And now they're talking about reducing payroll to between $70-80 million because they've "lost money".

 

If that is the case, this team is doomed for more failure in 2013 and beyond. They've already got $65.5 M committed to 8 players and likely around $10 M for the rest of the guys. That leaves them with $5 M , at most, to fill a number of holes.

 

This team looks to be in bad shape for a number of years and frankly, I don't know if I want to put my disposable income and time into a team that is run by a bunch of buffoons. I am going to let the offseason play out and see what happens, but if Ozzie is replaced by a guy like Bo Porter or Mike Lowell, Beinfest retains his job, Heath Bell stays on the team, and payroll is cut ... I am likely done with this team.

[CyggyMarlin]

I will always be a fan (And became a fan the minute baseball announced expansion was coming to Miami), but this offseason is gonna determine how much I am gonna care anymore. There are a lot of people in the Marlins organization that need to go before this ship is righted, and it doesn't seem like that is happening if rumors of keeping the FO intact is true. Loria needs to sell or stfu on all baseball-related decisions. World Series aside, I just want a competitive team that has a damn good chance of getting in the playoffs the last week of September and we can't even get that from these ass-clowns in charge

[gizmo]

I'll always be a fan, but if we don't change for the better in some form this offseason I can't see myself paying much attention to the team. While I may become a fan of whatever team plays in whatever area I'll eventually move to, I'll always be a fish fan first.

[UltimaKilo]

I really hate to be this guy, but with rumors swirling that the Marlins are going to cut payroll for 2013 I am considering renouncing my fanhood for this team.

 

I have been a fan all of my life, but I am losing patience with the way this organization is run.

 

Loria is incompetent and incapable of properly running a Major League Baseball franchise. Manager after manager comes through the door, and all the while the man who is most responsible for the Marlins failures in the last 9 years gets to keep his job (Beinfest). Unbelievable. He calls Freddi Gonzalez a "colossal failure" even though he managed winning teams with scant payrolls. And now they're talking about reducing payroll to between $70-80 million because they've "lost money".

 

If that is the case, this team is doomed for more failure in 2013 and beyond. They've already got $65.5 M committed to 8 players and likely around $10 M for the rest of the guys. That leaves them with $5 M , at most, to fill a number of holes.

 

This team looks to be in bad shape for a number of years and frankly, I don't know if I want to put my disposable income and time into a team that is run by a bunch of buffoons. I am going to let the offseason play out and see what happens, but if Ozzie is replaced by a guy like Bo Porter or Mike Lowell, Beinfest retains his job, Heath Bell stays on the team, and payroll is cut ... I am likely done with this team.

 

 

I can't say I'm surprised hearing this from a Noles fan. I'll be a Marlins fan until the day I die. I agree with the poster above, I am becoming more apathetic towards the organization every year. This year was plagued with blunders: hiring of Guillen, trading of key pieces, bad signings and a uniform change that has made the team look like clowns whenever they've hit the field. Beinfest is not to blame as much as Loria, Hill, Samson and the coaching staff. However, it would appear that the entire Marlins scouting team needs to go. It's botched draft after botched draft...

[Puma]

Not sure why you had to bring college sports into this, but I'm actually an FSU alum. Nice try though, buddy. What are you, a UM fan? Nice crowd during the Bethune Cookman game.

[fanofthefish]

Bye! Either they're your team or they're not. I took a lot of $h!t being a Marlins fan in 98 and 99, but everyone respected my team in 2003. So they're going to suck next year, I've seen the future( Yelich, Fernandez, etc..) and if they keep Stanton and don't F**K it up this could be a great team for the next five years!

[Jokersgoon]

Times like this will always question someones loyalty to their team. Stay commited folks, keep supporting our team.

[Puma]

If you think Loria is a capable owner and cares about winning more than profits, well then you're foolish and you deserve to keep handing your money over to him while you sit in a half-filled ballpark watching guys like Gorkys Hernandez compete for 4th place.

[LRizzle]

Always be a Miami fan in terms of sports. Sure, if they're losing, making awful signings I hate, putting out a bad product, I'll watch it less and go to less games because I simply don't want to waste my money just to get upset and be frustrated. When they at least play .500 ball I'll go to more games. But like Puma just pointed out, we're rolling out Gorkys Hernandez and Scott Cousins and Velazquez and Solano on a daily basis. I mean, give me a break. Why would I ever spend money to watch them.

At least if it was Turner pitching and Cox, Solano, Brantly, Yelich playing I'd watch to see them develop etc.

But this mix of awful contracts with bad AAA players is just terrible.

 

Always a Fish fan. But my fandom is directly correlated to the moves, direction, and production of the team.

[Puma]

I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for the Marlins... I grew up watching them and going to games. But I simply cannot support this ownership the way things have gone and the way things are going.

[Dr Beinfest]

I don't feel like that's an option. I feel like no matter how bad they are, my fandom belongs to the four South Florida sports teams.

 

And when they're terrible it's a curse. It's not a choice, I'm stuck with them.

[TheU]

I feel the same way. While I may lose interest, I will never give up my love of the team. I mean, who u gonna root for, the Rays? That sounds awful.

[Piazza31]

Sorry puma, adios.

 

Your a fan of the team, not the ownership. Hence why we as a group have followed the team from Huizinga, to Henry, to Loria.

 

It can be argued that Loria did more for this franchise's future and past then any previous owner, including Huizinga.

 

You could be embarrassed to say your a marlins fan, but to jump ship shows that you didn't have an interest in them strong enough to begin with.

 

Would Rab ever renounce his love for all things Astros? He's gone through arguably a worse ten years then you have.

[Erick]

I feel the same way. While I may lose interest, I will never give up my love of the team. I mean, who u gonna root for, the Rays? That sounds awful.

 

 

Don't diss the Rays Republic, bro.

[Entendu]

I might just lose interest and stop watching. I don't think I'd ever really stop rooting for them. I'll just take a break and come back once there's any sort of hope.

[Puma]

If you had a favorite restaurant that you loved to eat at and they got bought out by a new management group and changed the menu around, hired a new service staff that sucks, and put out a bad product, would you continue to eat at that restaurant? Not the perfect analogy but that's pretty much how I feel.

[FutureGM]

Beinfest is not to blame. Loria's the one who has insisted on spending the least amount possible on the draft for the last 4-5 years. Eventually this becomes a problem. While Beinfest HAS made some bad trades, most GMs have. At this point replacing him with a new guy is the wrong move. We need experience at that position to bring us out of this hole.

 

I also don't blame Ozzie. He's managed games well, but for the majority of the season he has had nothing to work with. It's also not his fault that Bell fell off a gigantic cliff and cost the team about 10 wins.

[poptart]

can someone who's a swell writer write up a letter to Loria that I could post on http://facebook.com/sellthemarlins ?

I have a ton of ideas I want to convey but I just can't write them out very well.

sellthemarlins.com is also coming. we need to get this movement going.

the Marlins can and should be a storied franchise. now we're a joke. and the franchise is not going to be in Miami long if it keeps going down this path. he killed the Expos. he's about to kill the Marlins.

 

 

before anyone pull the "he got us a stadium" sh*t, he scammed the city of Miami into paying for a stadium, while alienating the a considerable amount of the fan base and putting a terrible product on the field. don't give me that.

[AeroFishOne]

Unless I'm mistaken it would be pretty damn hard to move them team now that the ballpark is built, right?

[Sophia]

I think I read somewhere that there is a 25 year assurance that the Marlins can't be moved!

 

On the other topic, I think switching your allegiance to a team because of a couple of lousy seasons is a bit harsh. like other people mentioned, take some time, dont watch as much TV...

[poptart]

I heard this quote the other day, just go ahead and take it in:

 

"In general, when you have people that have an allegiance to their team and they haven't considered what that allegiance means. It's like… you can be a fan of an individual, you can be a fan of an organization, or a culture. But to be a fan of, like really be into a group of ten guys who all would have played for somebody else if given another $20,000 in their contract it's just like… just acknowledge the irony inherent in your allegiance to a group of people who have allegiance to themselves essentially. And then we can talk about whatever team you're a fan of. Otherwise you're just a f***ing whack job."

[Puma]

"Loyalty to any one sports team is hard to justify. Because the players are always changing, the team can move to another city. You're actually rooting for the clothes , when it comes right down to it. You are standing and yelling and cheering for your clothes to beat the clothes from another city. Fans will be so in love with a player, but if he goes to another team, they boo him. This is the same human being in a different shirt they HATE him now. "Boooooo!!!! DIFFERENT SHIRT!!!! Booo!" - Jerry Seinfeld

[AeroFishOne]

I heard this quote the other day, just go ahead and take it in:

 

"In general, when you have people that have an allegiance to their team and they haven't considered what that allegiance means. It's like… you can be a fan of an individual, you can be a fan of an organization, or a culture. But to be a fan of, like really be into a group of ten guys who all would have played for somebody else if given another $20,000 in their contract it's just like… just acknowledge the irony inherent in your allegiance to a group of people who have allegiance to themselves essentially. And then we can talk about whatever team you're a fan of. Otherwise you're just a f***ing whack job."

 

 

I took me a couple times to like, read it to, like you know, understand what this person was trying to say.

 

I understand the point they are trying to make, I just don't agree with that logic.

[AeroFishOne]

"Loyalty to any one sports team is hard to justify. Because the players are always changing, the team can move to another city. You're actually rooting for the clothes , when it comes right down to it. You are standing and yelling and cheering for your clothes to beat the clothes from another city. Fans will be so in love with a player, but if he goes to another team, they boo him. This is the same human being in a different shirt they HATE him now. "Boooooo!!!! DIFFERENT SHIRT!!!! Booo!" - Jerry Seinfeld

 

 

If its really that simple what players are keeping your attention rather than any other player in the league?

[Piazza31]

If you had a favorite restaurant that you loved to eat at and they got bought out by a new management group and changed the menu around, hired a new service staff that sucks, and put out a bad product, would you continue to eat at that restaurant? Not the perfect analogy but that's pretty much how I feel.

 

 

That's a horrible analogy, simply because the front office has been the same at this restaurant for 10 years. Not to mention they also made sure the restaurant wasn't moving to a new location in San Antonio when they FINALLY built a new location in a historic location.