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It's surprising that no one has blamed any of this season on Randy St. Claire.

 

If you're going to blame a coach for individual performances (it's tough to do so as no one knows what goes on behind the scenes), it should be St. Claire.

 

This team was built around pitching in a pitchers' park. St. Claire has been here...idk how many years now...and the pitchers that have been around for awhile have either remained sh*tty or regressed.

 

Of all the pitchers in the system over the years, who has surprised? Cishek? That's about it.

 

At least Eduardo Perez has the excuse that the ballpark sucks for hitters and he really has crap to work with. If anything, guys like Ruggiano and Solano have greatly exceeded expectations.

 

It's pretty incredible that a lefty who throws 95+ consistently sucks as much as Mike Dunn has sucked. Ryan Webb and his "best stuff in the bullpen" has only gotten worse. The starting pitchers have been a disappointment. JJ did not pitch like an ace, Buehrle's transition to the National League did not improve his ERA, Nolasco is consistently mediocre, etc. Oh yeah, and Heath Bell...believe it or not, the guy has actually had a good career. And while it doesn't matter since he's basically thrown everyone under the bus, St. Claire was the first guy he threw under the bus this year.

 

Eduardo Perez has received a lot of criticism this year. It seems like every coach but St. Claire has received criticism this year, and it's beginning to make no sense to me. He's been here the longest and there's been little improvement in the pitching that was supposed to be the strength of this team.

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josh johnson was coming off of an injury. Zambrano was great to begin the year. Anibal was good before he was traded. Nolasco simply isnt good. Buehrle was himself.

 

Aside from Heath Bell, everyone in the bullpen has pitched pretty much to their standards.

 

Pitching hasnt been the problem this year.

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josh johnson was coming off of an injury. Zambrano was great to begin the year. Anibal was good before he was traded. Nolasco simply isnt good. Buehrle was himself.

 

Aside from Heath Bell, everyone in the bullpen has pitched pretty much to their standards.

 

Pitching hasnt been the problem this year.

 

 

You're right; being 12th in the National League in ERA has been awesome to watch.

 

Also, a lot of the same things you said can be said for the hitters; then again, the majority of the board wants Eduardo Perez fired for whatever reason.

 

This team has more pitching talent than hitting talent. Yet, the pitching sucks. St. Claire has been here for years as opposed to the other coaches who have either been here for this year or the last two. There's never a word about St. Claire, though.

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josh johnson was coming off of an injury. Zambrano was great to begin the year. Anibal was good before he was traded. Nolasco simply isnt good. Buehrle was himself.

 

Aside from Heath Bell, everyone in the bullpen has pitched pretty much to their standards.

 

Pitching hasnt been the problem this year.

 

 

You're right; being 12th in the National League in ERA has been awesome to watch.

 

Also, a lot of the same things you said can be said for the hitters; then again, the majority of the board wants Eduardo Perez fired for whatever reason.

 

This team has more pitching talent than hitting talent. Yet, the pitching sucks. St. Claire has been here for years as opposed to the other coaches who have either been here for this year or the last two. There's never a word about St. Claire, though.

 

The pitching pretty much carried us the beginning of the season. In the first half we were 11th in the NL but they werent bad by any means. 4.15 before the all star break and 4.07 after.

 

Not great but not bad by any means.

 

The hitting has been the problem. Not the pitching. Who hasnt pitched to their standards? Buehrle has been himself. JJ is coming off an injry and was much better the 2nd half of the year. Nolasco was himself. Zambrano was better as a starter than most expected him to be, though he wasnt great.

 

The bullpen is on Beinfest, not St. Claire. He brought back the same bullpen of stiffs except for the addition of Bell.

Webb stinks, Mujica is average, Dunn is only good when he inconsistently throws strikes, Gaudin is not good. It isnt the coach, its the players.

 

 

I dont blame Eduardo Perez, but our hitters legitimately underachieved this year. Gaby wasnt anything special to begin with, but he was awful. Buck underperformed even by his standards. Hanley stunk it up. Bonifacio didnt hit as many extra base hits as he did last year, though that might be regressing to the mean rather than underperforming. Lomo took a step back, though that might be injury related.

 

There was a lot more underperformance with the hitters than the pitching.

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We led the league in the beginning for quite some time in quality starts from our SPs.

Our bullpen had Cishek, Choate, and Leblanc. Bell, Dunn, Webb were not pitching well at all.

Our SP was actually far better than our bullpen. But then some of our bullpen guys settled down, but then Zambrano started being Zambrano again and Nolasco was being Nolasco and we still weren't htiting and you know the rest.

But I don't blame St.Claire. Don't love him, but definitely don't blame him. Our hitting was by far the biggest problem.

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i was shocked when they brought StClaire on board (3 years ago i think?) because if I remember the Nats had perhaps the worst pitching staff in the NL when he was let go....it's like when the Dolphins brought daboll (sp?) on board as the offensive coordinator who was the OC of the only worse offense in the league than miami's the previous season. I really think they need to clean house this offseason...perhaps invest some of Hanley's money into some legit coaches, although the great ones would probably want to have NOTHING to do with the continual three ring circus that Loria runs.

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I don't understand how the hitting underperformed.

 

The team had two good hitters. Reyes performed up to career norms and Stanton was a beast when healthy.

 

Hanley hasn't done much better in LA, Gaby isn't even an every day starter for the lowly Pittsburgh Pirates.

 

The bullpen underperformed. Sorry, these aren't supposed to be "bums." Look at their career #'s and you'd see the likes of Dunn/Webb have regressed. Usually when you have guys throwing in the mid-90's with the stuff Dunn/Webb have, you have something to work with.

 

Buehrle, while he did his 200 inning thing again...I find it difficult to believe that no one is at least somewhat disappointed with his 3.84 ERA. He's getting paid a lot of money for a reason. The expectation was that the move to the NL would produce better results, yet it hasn't.

 

Heath Bell has been abysmal after being one of the most consistent relievers in baseball.

 

Pitching has been a much bigger disappointment, imo. Again, the fact the team plays in a pitchers' park should be taken into account, too. The pitching is bad.

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I don't understand how the hitting underperformed.

 

The team had two good hitters. Reyes performed up to career norms and Stanton was a beast when healthy.

 

Hanley hasn't done much better in LA, Gaby isn't even an every day starter for the lowly Pittsburgh Pirates.

 

The bullpen underperformed. Sorry, these aren't supposed to be "bums." Look at their career #'s and you'd see the likes of Dunn/Webb have regressed. Usually when you have guys throwing in the mid-90's with the stuff Dunn/Webb have, you have something to work with.

 

Buehrle, while he did his 200 inning thing again...I find it difficult to believe that no one is at least somewhat disappointed with his 3.84 ERA. He's getting paid a lot of money for a reason. The expectation was that the move to the NL would produce better results, yet it hasn't.

 

Heath Bell has been abysmal after being one of the most consistent relievers in baseball.

 

Pitching has been a much bigger disappointment, imo. Again, the fact the team plays in a pitchers' park should be taken into account, too. The pitching is bad.

 

 

Gaby hasnt underperformed? He has been awful compared to being average the last 3 years.

 

Reyes was pretty bad in the beginning of the season.

Hanley wasnt the hanley from a few years ago.

 

Ryan Webb isn't good. His peripherals in San Diego werent good. He doesnt throw strikes and has a high whip and BAA. His good years seem to be because he pitched in San Diego.

Mike Dunn had 33 innings before coming to the marlins. Success or not in Atlanta, it was very limited action. He has always not been able to throw strikes consistently and that is why he isnt a good bullpen arm. I have never understood the trust in him. Good stuff doesnt matter if you cant throw strikes.

 

Heath Bell has been abysmal, but while nobody expected this big of a drop off, his peripherals and speed on his pitches as late as last year showed you he was going to regress this year.

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