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Beckett and Burnett = Over rated????


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I know these two guys are definately not the biggest reason why the Marlins are struggling, you can blame that on bullpen, offense, whatever. But when are these 2 guys gonna show up. Josh was fabulous during the 2003 playoff run and in the World Series, but does anyone feel that these guys are not where they should be??? Yes, theyll get bad run support, but if Dontrelle can be the starter in the All-Star Team and he is on the Marlins with this bad offense, why can't these guys step up and have good seasons. Its time to stop with the excuses for these guys with them being young and Aj coming back from Tommy John surgery, etc,etc,etc......... So far these guys have been good...okay, but when are we gonna see some great things from these guys. I thought before the season the Marlins were only going to be good as these 2 guys, and so far, these guys have been OK, and so have the Marlins, if not worse.

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he strikes out too much. i know they are basically the same as regular outs but still. it's the principle.

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He'll hit 50 HRs. I know a 2-R HR is the same as a 2-run double, but it's the principle.

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*shakes head*

 

What do you want them to do? Have an ERA lower than Clemens? We have the best starting 3 in baseball and we still F'N suck. Our offense is terrible. If some of our overpaid has-beens could actually score 4 runs a freakin' game, Beckett and AJ would be in the All Star game with Willis.

 

Good thing we didn't have Adam Dunn today.

 

2 HRs would've been lame

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No joke. He's not as good as Lowell. He can't hit high enough with RISP. Who cares that he gets on base almost half the time he comes up with RISP. :whistle

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By this logic, Moehler is having an absolutely atrocious season. Also, someone had a stat a few weeks back showing the average run support for the Marlins' starters and Dontrelle was getting more runs, on average, in his starts--obviously, if you're pitching well, you're in line for the win more if your team scores more.

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I wanted to reopen this post and see if you guys are still soo high on Aj. Beckett has had a nice season and has won games when we needed them. The same can't be said for AJ. Again, Aj has put up some GOOD numbers, but I always thought this guy was gonna be GREAT. I still think he is over rated a bit, but will still get plenty of money this offseason which is unfortunate for the Fish..........

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It's not so much that I disagree with the anti-AJ sentiment, it's that JB is not any better and most love him on this board. What's the difference? Their career numbers are almost identical; neither one of them are "winners." Don't tell me nobody could win with this team, because DW seems to find a way to win his starts. Why? because everyone feeds off his energy and he is a complete player. AJ and JB are diva's that think they are elite, but they still have a lot to learn. DW just goes out there to win.

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Good thing we didn't have Adam Dunn today.

 

2 HRs would've been lame

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True!

 

Then maybe we could have won this game and improved to 10 games under .500 with Moehler and Valdez both in the rotation!

 

Yay!

 

And it's Adam Dunn, so they would have been solo shots. He strikes out when it matters.

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It's not so much that I disagree with the anti-AJ sentiment, it's that JB is not any better and most love him on this board. What's the difference? Their career numbers are almost identical; neither one of them are "winners." Don't tell me nobody could win with this team, because DW seems to find a way to win his starts. Why? because everyone feeds off his energy and he is a complete player. AJ and JB are diva's that think they are elite, but they still have a lot to learn. DW just goes out there to win.

You saw, over the course of the last two days, why Josh Beckett is currently worlds ahead of AJ Burnett. Both pitched in the biggest game of the year for each, respectively, in consecutive days. Beckett dominated, AJ faltered. Simple as that.

 

This is coming from one of AJ's biggest fans.

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Good thing we didn't have Adam Dunn today.

 

2 HRs would've been lame

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True!

 

Then maybe we could have won this game and improved to 10 games under .500 with Moehler and Valdez both in the rotation!

 

Yay!

 

And it's Adam Dunn, so they would have been solo shots. He strikes out when it matters.

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:owned

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AJ and Beckett are at the two farthest ends of the spectrum. Beckett is a money pitcher, he thrives in big game situations, evident by his good record in the month of September. AJ on the other hand, is a money pitcher when it doesnt count, like in the earlier months of the season. If AJ was the one on the mound during game six against the Yanks, no way he performs the way Josh did. My opinion, if AJ leaves, so be it. Good riddance.

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Here's how I look at it:

 

Beckett: underachiever. He always shows us greatness when we need it, but he just doesn't show up when all we need is a win.

 

Burnett: over-rated. He's no longer young, he is already past the "potential" stage of his career, and while he can throw 100 with a filthy curve, he can't win the big one. Heck, if you notice, his single game Marlins achievements (like 14 K's) have come against the Rockies, Padres and Reds...not exactly shutting down a convincibly superior team.

 

Even with all that bashing, I'd like both to be on the 2006 Marlins squad. I just don't see AJ getting Carl Pavano type money this off-season.

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with all the struggles, Beckett has the opportunity to finish this season with 15 or 16 wins and a 3.5 ERA. I think that's nothing to be ashamed off

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Not in the slightest.

 

Coming off of the kind of year he had last season, if you told me that we'd get about 30-32 (depending if he goes on short rest) starts out of Beckett, I'd be happy. If you were to tell me he would win 15, and really should have won 17-18 if not for Ron Villone, I'd have taken it without question.

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