Brandman316 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 I know these two guys are definately not the biggest reason why the Marlins are struggling, you can blame that on bullpen, offense, whatever. But when are these 2 guys gonna show up. Josh was fabulous during the 2003 playoff run and in the World Series, but does anyone feel that these guys are not where they should be??? Yes, theyll get bad run support, but if Dontrelle can be the starter in the All-Star Team and he is on the Marlins with this bad offense, why can't these guys step up and have good seasons. Its time to stop with the excuses for these guys with them being young and Aj coming back from Tommy John surgery, etc,etc,etc......... So far these guys have been good...okay, but when are we gonna see some great things from these guys. I thought before the season the Marlins were only going to be good as these 2 guys, and so far, these guys have been OK, and so have the Marlins, if not worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mave Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 AJ Burnett: 4-5 3.45 ERA Josh Beckett: 7-5 3.35 ERA ?????????????????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandman316 Posted June 23, 2005 Author Share Posted June 23, 2005 again decent numbers, but are you telling me Josh and Aj are to be considered a little bit better than .500 and decent ERAs. I dont think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlin Nation Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 For me the only thing that keeps Beckett from deserving all his praise is his durability, or lack thereof. That said if I need to win just ONE game I'd go to Beckett every time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fritz Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Good thing we didn't have Adam Dunn today. 2 HRs would've been lame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 he strikes out too much. i know they are basically the same as regular outs but still. it's the principle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fritz Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 he strikes out too much. i know they are basically the same as regular outs but still. it's the principle. 821901[/snapback] He'll hit 50 HRs. I know a 2-R HR is the same as a 2-run double, but it's the principle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 Your an idiot if you think those are decent number, I would kill to have them on my team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iowa Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 It's gotta be hard on a pitcher to go out there knowing he has to basically be perfect for us to win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accord Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 again decent numbers, but are you telling me Josh and Aj are to be considered a little bit better than .500 and decent ERAs. I dont think so. 821814[/snapback] It's not Josh and AJ's fault that this team can't score a damn run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NirvanaNole Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 *shakes head* What do you want them to do? Have an ERA lower than Clemens? We have the best starting 3 in baseball and we still F'N suck. Our offense is terrible. If some of our overpaid has-beens could actually score 4 runs a freakin' game, Beckett and AJ would be in the All Star game with Willis. Good thing we didn't have Adam Dunn today. 2 HRs would've been lame 821897[/snapback] No joke. He's not as good as Lowell. He can't hit high enough with RISP. Who cares that he gets on base almost half the time he comes up with RISP. :whistle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strandedx02 Posted June 23, 2005 Share Posted June 23, 2005 By this logic, Moehler is having an absolutely atrocious season. Also, someone had a stat a few weeks back showing the average run support for the Marlins' starters and Dontrelle was getting more runs, on average, in his starts--obviously, if you're pitching well, you're in line for the win more if your team scores more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandman316 Posted September 15, 2005 Author Share Posted September 15, 2005 I wanted to reopen this post and see if you guys are still soo high on Aj. Beckett has had a nice season and has won games when we needed them. The same can't be said for AJ. Again, Aj has put up some GOOD numbers, but I always thought this guy was gonna be GREAT. I still think he is over rated a bit, but will still get plenty of money this offseason which is unfortunate for the Fish.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accord Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 AJ has the potential, he just doesn't know how to tap it. He's shown that he has the ability to consistently pitch well with that stretch of 7 or so straight wins earlier in the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinivedivichi Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 It's not so much that I disagree with the anti-AJ sentiment, it's that JB is not any better and most love him on this board. What's the difference? Their career numbers are almost identical; neither one of them are "winners." Don't tell me nobody could win with this team, because DW seems to find a way to win his starts. Why? because everyone feeds off his energy and he is a complete player. AJ and JB are diva's that think they are elite, but they still have a lot to learn. DW just goes out there to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prinmemito Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Josh doesn't melt under pressure - he thrives in it. That's the difference between AJ and Josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugg Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Good thing we didn't have Adam Dunn today. 2 HRs would've been lame 821897[/snapback] True! Then maybe we could have won this game and improved to 10 games under .500 with Moehler and Valdez both in the rotation! Yay! And it's Adam Dunn, so they would have been solo shots. He strikes out when it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Juanky Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 It's not so much that I disagree with the anti-AJ sentiment, it's that JB is not any better and most love him on this board. What's the difference? Their career numbers are almost identical; neither one of them are "winners." Don't tell me nobody could win with this team, because DW seems to find a way to win his starts. Why? because everyone feeds off his energy and he is a complete player. AJ and JB are diva's that think they are elite, but they still have a lot to learn. DW just goes out there to win. You saw, over the course of the last two days, why Josh Beckett is currently worlds ahead of AJ Burnett. Both pitched in the biggest game of the year for each, respectively, in consecutive days. Beckett dominated, AJ faltered. Simple as that. This is coming from one of AJ's biggest fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fan Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Good thing we didn't have Adam Dunn today. 2 HRs would've been lame 821897[/snapback] True! Then maybe we could have won this game and improved to 10 games under .500 with Moehler and Valdez both in the rotation! Yay! And it's Adam Dunn, so they would have been solo shots. He strikes out when it matters. 946654[/snapback] :owned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lefty Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Well, here is it: Josh Beckett is 14-8 AJ Burnett is 12-11. That pretty much sums it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pb1300 Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 AJ and Beckett are at the two farthest ends of the spectrum. Beckett is a money pitcher, he thrives in big game situations, evident by his good record in the month of September. AJ on the other hand, is a money pitcher when it doesnt count, like in the earlier months of the season. If AJ was the one on the mound during game six against the Yanks, no way he performs the way Josh did. My opinion, if AJ leaves, so be it. Good riddance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 Here's how I look at it: Beckett: underachiever. He always shows us greatness when we need it, but he just doesn't show up when all we need is a win. Burnett: over-rated. He's no longer young, he is already past the "potential" stage of his career, and while he can throw 100 with a filthy curve, he can't win the big one. Heck, if you notice, his single game Marlins achievements (like 14 K's) have come against the Rockies, Padres and Reds...not exactly shutting down a convincibly superior team. Even with all that bashing, I'd like both to be on the 2006 Marlins squad. I just don't see AJ getting Carl Pavano type money this off-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreshFish Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 with all the struggles, Beckett has the opportunity to finish this season with 15 or 16 wins and a 3.5 ERA. I think that's nothing to be ashamed off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamarlins3 Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 AJ just does not have it mentally. He has amazing stuff, but the majority of the time he beats himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSwift25 Posted September 15, 2005 Share Posted September 15, 2005 with all the struggles, Beckett has the opportunity to finish this season with 15 or 16 wins and a 3.5 ERA. I think that's nothing to be ashamed off 946881[/snapback] Not in the slightest. Coming off of the kind of year he had last season, if you told me that we'd get about 30-32 (depending if he goes on short rest) starts out of Beckett, I'd be happy. If you were to tell me he would win 15, and really should have won 17-18 if not for Ron Villone, I'd have taken it without question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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