November 20, 200520 yr Word within baseball circles is that the Twins are trying to trade with the Florida Marlins for third baseman Mike Lowell. The Twins, though, want the Marlins to pick up a good part of the $16 million that Lowell, 31, is guaranteed for the next two years. The Twins are expected to offer pitching (Kyle Lohse, J.C. Romero and/or Scott Baker) and could make a deal by the second week in December. The 6-foot-3, 210-pound Lowell is the Marlins' highest-salaried player. Retaining Lohse would cost the Twins about $4 million for next season. http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/s...rs/13214471.htm I like Scott Baker and JC Romero and if they do this they can keep Beckett of if they insist in trading him they can get kings ransom for him.
November 20, 200520 yr Well, because of his contract I'd assume Lohse has to be included in any potential deal, along with one of Baker or Romero. Not a bad haul for Lowell, though it all depends on how much of his contract the Marlins have to pick up.
November 20, 200520 yr Are they budging from requesting half of Lowell's contract be paid and for us to take Lohse? Anyone want Lohse? Ok. Anyone want Lohse for $8.5M? I think not.
November 20, 200520 yr As long as some team is willing to discuss Lowell as an individual entity and not part of a "package" it'd be irresponsible of the Marlins to give away Beckett to get rid of Lowell until this avenue is completely exhausted.
November 20, 200520 yr As long as some team is willing to discuss Lowell as an individual entity and not part of a "package" it'd be irresponsible of the Marlins to give away Beckett to get rid of Lowell until this avenue is completely exhausted. That's exactly how I feel. If we can unload JUST Lowell for anyone decent, I say take it and run.
November 20, 200520 yr Uh, maybe you think Mike's real name is Christopher. Hey, speaking of which, where's Jim Rome when you need him?
November 20, 200520 yr Did anyone else laugh at the thread title? LOL!! The twins have been Hot for Lowell for the past two years! He might get married to Texas though... Possibly a date with the twins... Depends who pays more... Lowell is a pretty expensive date! :lol :lol :lol
November 20, 200520 yr Baker, Romero and Lohse for Lowell? I think this is to good to be true even if we have to lets say pick up 80% of Lowell salary. If this offer is really true and we don't accept it then I believe indeed are heading for another firesale like 1997. I doubt its true though but if it is I say trade Loduca, Pierre, Mota and Delgado if needed to clear salary and then cover 80% of Lowell salary and get a excellent package like this where all three players help us out for the upcoming season. Most importantly keep Beckett!!!!!!!!! 1) Dontrelle Willis 2) Josh Beckett 3) Kyle Lohse- just cause he can eat up innings and is a veteran 4-5 Let Vargas, Olsen, Johnson, and Baker battle it out Bullpen LHP J.C Romero LHP Ron Villone- hope he is traded, like Mota RHP Chris Resop RHP Randy Messenger rest of pen can come from cheapr free agent signing's or trades.
November 20, 200520 yr FWIW, Baker is 23, and much closer to being major league ready than Diamond or Danks. He doesn't have the projectable frame of Diamond or Danks, but he has very good minor league numbers, and he's probably more rotation ready than Johnson or Olsen. Here are his numbers: 2004 Club (Class) W L ERA G GS CG SV IP H HR BB SO AVG Fort Myers (Hi A) 4 2 2.40 7 7 0 0 45 40 1 6 37 .233 New Britain (AA) 5 3 2.43 10 10 2 0 70 44 2 13 72 .173 Rochester (AAA) 1 3 4.97 9 9 0 0 54 65 3 15 36 .295 And his scouting report (from last season): SCOTT BAKER, rhp Age: 23 B-T: R-R Ht: 6-4 Wt: 215 Drafted: Oklahoma State, 2003 (2nd round) Signed by: Gregg Miller Background: Baker reached Triple-A 13 months after signing. In his first full season, he started the Hall of Fame game for the Twins, who named him their minor league pitcher of the year. He continued to build on his success with a strong Arizona Fall League performance. Strengths: Baker pitches at 91-93 mph with sink and occasionally reaches 95. He has plus fastball command, an advanced changeup and a smooth delivery. He also throws a quick-breaking slider and a knuckle-curve. He has an outstanding work ethic and is one of the most focused, intense prospects in the system. Weaknesses: Though he?s polished, Baker doesn?t have a true out pitch and already is close to his ceiling. He projects as a No. 3 or 4 starter. He struggled in Triple-A, so he needs to prove he can maintain his stuff over a full season and get more advanced hitters out. The Future: Baker could get a chance to make Minnesota?s rotation in spring training. He may need a few more starts in Triple-A before he?s ready. If that Twins deal is true, it's almost too good to believe, even if we have to eat some of Lowell's contract.
November 20, 200520 yr Baker, Romero and Lohse for Lowell? I think this is to good to be true even if we have to lets say pick up 80% of Lowell salary. If this offer is really true and we don't accept it then I believe indeed are heading for another firesale like 1997. I doubt its true though but if it is I say trade Loduca, Pierre, Mota and Delgado if needed to clear salary and then cover 80% of Lowell salary and get a excellent package like this where all three players help us out for the upcoming season. Most importantly keep Beckett!!!!!!!!! 1) Dontrelle Willis 2) Josh Beckett 3) Kyle Lohse- just cause he can eat up innings and is a veteran 4-5 Let Vargas, Olsen, Johnson, and Baker battle it out Bullpen LHP J.C Romero LHP Ron Villone- hope he is traded, like Mota RHP Chris Resop RHP Randy Messenger rest of pen can come from cheapr free agent signing's or trades. I want to add to my lasy post Romero and Lohse salry combine after arbritration will likely be7 million but we can always not offer them arbitration and let them become free agents or just trade them somewhere immediately or later on in the year and still keep Baker.
November 20, 200520 yr Also, it is important to remember that the Twins' players contracts would be up after the 2006 season, while Lowell's runs through 2007. If we're rebuilding, doing the trade with Lowell and finding a taker for Pierre and sending Mota and LoDuca to the Rockies would attain salary relief to the $50 million range, and dealing Delgado would bring us down to $40. It lets the payroll bottom out, the fans get disgusted, but it lets the Las Vegas Jackpots build around Beckett, Willis and Cabrera.
November 20, 200520 yr this trade will not happen unless a third team is involved because neither the Twins nor the Marlins want to pay Lowell's contract.
November 20, 200520 yr this trade will not happen unless a third team is involved because neither the Twins nor the Marlins want to pay Lowell's contract. Marlins have said they would pay part of his deal, even in the Beckett scenario (so help me God, Beinfest). I think the bigger key to this trade (assuming Willis and Beckett stay) is finding a taker for Lohse.
November 20, 200520 yr We're not trading Willis. I don't think we should even talk about that. He stays.
November 20, 200520 yr Well trading Lohse shouldnt be that hard if we package him w/ Delgado That's close to $20 million in salary just for 2006, that's a lot for one team to take on.
November 21, 200520 yr How about Carlos Silva? The dude walked 9 guys in 180 innings this year... hot damn!
November 21, 200520 yr this trade will not happen unless a third team is involved because neither the Twins nor the Marlins want to pay Lowell's contract. Marlins have said they would pay part of his deal, even in the Beckett scenario (so help me God, Beinfest). I think the bigger key to this trade (assuming Willis and Beckett stay) is finding a taker for Lohse. You all know that Lohse and Romero don't have contracts so that means all we have to do is not offer them arbritration and they are free agenst and we don't pay a dime.
November 21, 200520 yr this trade will not happen unless a third team is involved because neither the Twins nor the Marlins want to pay Lowell's contract. Marlins have said they would pay part of his deal, even in the Beckett scenario (so help me God, Beinfest). I think the bigger key to this trade (assuming Willis and Beckett stay) is finding a taker for Lohse. You all know that Lohse and Romero don't have contracts so that means all we have to do is not offer them arbritration and they are free agenst and we don't pay a dime. Well then I've got a new favorite trade.
November 21, 200520 yr How about Carlos Silva? The dude walked 9 guys in 180 innings this year... hot damn! He's basically the anti-Leiter
November 21, 200520 yr How about Carlos Silva? The dude walked 9 guys in 180 innings this year... hot damn! He's basically the anti-Leiter :lol So true, so true.
November 21, 200520 yr How about Carlos Silva? The dude walked 9 guys in 180 innings this year... hot damn! He's basically the anti-Leiter :lol So true, so true. So maybe we can trade Lowell for Silva instead? Silva is pretty cheap, too. I think he made $1.75 million this past season.
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