Blah, blah, blah, Captain Intangibles, blah, blah, blah. The guy is a marginal player. His defense is solid and he's not the prettiest face in a Marlins uniform. Personally, I'd rather have Girardi as our catcher than Treanor. BA, OBP, and SLG% are JP-esque, so take that for what it's worth. Maybe the fans here just have a thing for players with marginal talent because they're perceived clubhouse guys.

 

We should have an All-Star at every position, even if it is backup catcher. :whistle

Treanor is a good guy. Especially the way hes been handling olsen behind the plate. He has olsen pitching like an allstar.

as long as he's cheap and not the starter I'm fine with it.

Blah, blah, blah, Captain Intangibles, blah, blah, blah. The guy is a marginal player. His defense is solid and he's not the prettiest face in a Marlins uniform. Personally, I'd rather have Girardi as our catcher than Treanor. BA, OBP, and SLG% are JP-esque, so take that for what it's worth. Maybe the fans here just have a thing for players with marginal talent because they're perceived clubhouse guys.

 

Backup catchers are not there for their offense, they are there for defense, and game calling skills. Any offense is simply a bonus.

I would guess, at least half the teams in baseball, maybe more, would love to have a Matt Treanor as their backup catcher.

calls a good game , has a good arm , yeah you would like more offense but for a back up catcher he is fine i have no problem with the marlins keeping treanor as a back up catcher . plus i enjoy watching his homerun trot

Defensively he's having a fine season but he's pretty bad with the bat and I mean pretty bad even for backup catcher standards. Overall he's an average backup catcher at best. To his credit he's playing much better than he did last year. Last year he played like a AAA catcher.

Blah, blah, blah, Captain Intangibles, blah, blah, blah. The guy is a marginal player. His defense is solid and he's not the prettiest face in a Marlins uniform. Personally, I'd rather have Girardi as our catcher than Treanor. BA, OBP, and SLG% are JP-esque, so take that for what it's worth. Maybe the fans here just have a thing for players with marginal talent because they're perceived clubhouse guys.

 

since when did you become a stathead?.... and it probably doesnt relate here but not everything is based on raw stats

since when did you become a stathead?.... and it probably doesnt relate here but not everything is based on raw stats

 

 

its not so much being a stathead as it is he likes to take the opposing view of the majority in a thread regardless of topic or his actual opinion

I like Treanor a lot more since Girardi decided to let Miguel Olivo start catching the D-Train. But Treanor definitely has his plusses ? great defense, strong arm, calls a good game and you gotta love the hustle.

Good player, fun to watch. But like a few others mentioned, I'd rather have Red.

since when did you become a stathead?.... and it probably doesnt relate here but not everything is based on raw stats

 

 

its not so much being a stathead as it is he likes to take the opposing view of the majority in a thread regardless of topic or his actual opinion

Yeah, so because I'm anti-JP and think Matt Treanor is garbage means I'm in opposition to a majority of threads? You've been around this board for so long too so you obviously know everything.

 

Treanor is just not a good offensive player. He handles Olsen well enough, but his defense seems fairly marginal to me. He's thrown out more runner this year than last, but he's also played a ton more. I'm not gonna change anyone's opinions on him because this board is way more sentimental than most, so whatever.

who do you want as a backup catcher? And come on man, his defense is quite good. Marginal defense is what you get with Miguel Olivo. Treanor does a very good job of blocking pitches, you've seen him block the plate like a brick wall on plays at the plate, and you already mentioned his caught stealing %.

 

Of course he's not a good offensive player. I can't think of very many backup catchers who are good at both offense AND defense. If they were, they wouldn't be backups, they'd be starting somewhere. If you only get to have one side, I'll take the defensive side. At that position there's a lot more chances to hurt your team behind the plate than there is by just being a poor hitter.

 

I can't believe I'm writing so much about Matt Treanor. He is what he is, let's leave it at that.

I'm going to have to agree with the consensus here. Matt is a very good backup catcher, nothing more. I'd love for him to stick around in that role with Marlins for a few more years.

he's kinda run-of-the-mill, but we like him more because he's ours.

I'm not a fan of his by any means but he's fine for the backup role. But should something happen to Olivio or another situation where Treanor would be our everyday then I would have a problem with him.

Yeah, so because I'm anti-JP and think Matt Treanor is garbage...

 

Here's what I do know. A guy doesn't have a multi-year major league career at the hardest position in the game and deserve to be called "garbage".

Yeah, so because I'm anti-JP and think Matt Treanor is garbage...

 

Here's what I do know. A guy doesn't have a multi-year major league career at the hardest position in the game and deserve to be called "garbage".

 

Multi-year career because of ability or lack of a better option?

Fritz with all due respect, it wouldnt kill you to admit that calling Treanor "garbage" was a little overdone.

 

 

Dont lose sight of just how hard it is to ever step foot into a Major League game.

 

Many people have spent their life trying to get called up for a game or two.

His defense and (presumed) pitcher-handling is what I want from a starting catcher. But a backup catcher serves his most useful purpose with his bat, which obviously isn't Matt's speciality. Although, really, the catcher's role is to complement the other catcher on the club. While I'd much rather have a good bat on the bench (even if it's rarely utilized) than a defensive replacement*, Treanor complements Olivo's poor defense well.

 

I was considering yesterday as Matt Treanor stepped to the plate that it might be time to consider Tom Wilson down in AAA or some waiver wire pick-up. Then Matt hits a homer.

 

 

* Off topic, but there's a hidden rule about defensive replacements. You don't bring in your most sure-handed fielders, you bring in your players with the greatest range. The idea behind it is that you're not trying to secure outs, you're trying to increase your chances of outs.

Yeah, so because I'm anti-JP and think Matt Treanor is garbage...

 

Here's what I do know. A guy doesn't have a multi-year major league career at the hardest position in the game and deserve to be called "garbage".

 

Multi-year career because of ability or lack of a better option?

I think you've inadvertently answered your own quesrion.

 

Every off-season there are any number of backup catchers out there and available. If the Marlins thought they could have done better there's no reason to believe they wouldn't have gone and gotten someone else having jettisoned anybody who didn't fit their vision for the future. In fact they had a couple of other backups signed, one being John Baker from the A's (I believe) who was no slouch defensively.

 

Clearly they came to perceive Treanor as having the most ability, and/or in the alternative, there was no better option.

Pleasantly surprised at the responses to this thread. Even a couple that have done but bash Matt in the past appear to have realized he is doing a fine job in his role. Guess they got over not getting the guys they wanted in that role for either the starter or the back up. One even wanted to go ahead with Josh and also use Jacobs as a catcher. A back up catcher is there for his D not his bat. Matt is doing a great job. Misty should be very proud.

A back up catcher is there for his D not his bat.

 

Correction: Back-up catchers are known more for their defense than their bats. However, backup catchers on a whole are not much if any better defenders than their starting peers. There's some back-up catchers out there with major league contracts that miss the ball with their mitts as frequently as they attempt with their bats. Castro and Bennett come to mind.

 

Last time I checked players made their name and earned playing time by performing on both sides of the ball. When did this change for backup catchers?

 

A backup catcher has no specialized real role but to supplement the other catcher, to give the other catcher a break, to offer strengths in areas of the starter is weak for use by the manager. And there shouldn't. The usual backup catcher is used more frequently as a pinch-hitter than as a defensive replacement*. While your back-up catcher probably shouldn't be your primary pinch-hitter (less you potentially force your other catcher to 18 innings of grueling painful baseball), he serves a role on the bench that is dynamic, not defensive. With rosters going so specialized with bullpen roles, with some clubs carrying 13 pitchers, every single player on the bench plays a number of roles. Not defensive or offensive. Not clown or tutor. If you've been chosen to support the starting 9, you are expected to fill a number of roles including but not limited to: hitting, running and fielding atleast more than one position competently. Even if you wear a mask. And with not much seperating your usual backup catcher from some guy in the minors or on the waiver wire, then especially if you're a catcher.

 

* Good reason for that. For catchers, defense is (correctly) defined by preventing errors, whether they be his own, the pitcher, the manager, his teammates, mental or physical. Adding the inconsistency and confusion of a defensive substitution does not help towards that goal.

Blah, blah, blah, Captain Intangibles, blah, blah, blah. The guy is a marginal player. His defense is solid and he's not the prettiest face in a Marlins uniform. Personally, I'd rather have Girardi as our catcher than Treanor. BA, OBP, and SLG% are JP-esque, so take that for what it's worth. Maybe the fans here just have a thing for players with marginal talent because they're perceived clubhouse guys.

 

He's a backup catcher, I'd rather have a guy that is excellent defensively as a backup catcher than a guy who can hit but is below average defensively, you're not gonna find a backup catcher that can do both, because any catcher that can do both is starting.

 

Comparing him to guys like Pierre or Lo Duca is pointless. Treanor is a role player.

What do I think? He married up in life. Backup catcher getting with a gold medalist?