November 3, 200620 yr Author Apparently he meant to say "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get us stuck in Iraq." Hence, the 'botched joke'. Meaning President Bush got 'us' stuck in Iraq.
November 3, 200620 yr Apparently he meant to say "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get us stuck in Iraq." Hence, the 'botched joke'. Meaning President Bush got 'us' stuck in Iraq. So it makes sense to make fun of someone who got a higher GPA than you?
November 3, 200620 yr Apparently he meant to say "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get us stuck in Iraq." Hence, the 'botched joke'. Meaning President Bush got 'us' stuck in Iraq. So it makes sense to make fun of someone who got a higher GPA than you? I had a 2.4 gpa in high school and I'd argue that I'm one of the smarter people in the school. My 1400 on the SAT reflects this.
November 3, 200620 yr Apparently he meant to say "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get us stuck in Iraq." Hence, the 'botched joke'. Meaning President Bush got 'us' stuck in Iraq. So it makes sense to make fun of someone who got a higher GPA than you? Yes, because the countless jokes made about Bush's idiocy were based on GPA and not all the stupid things he says and does.
November 3, 200620 yr Apparently he meant to say "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get us stuck in Iraq." Hence, the 'botched joke'. Meaning President Bush got 'us' stuck in Iraq. That might have been what he mean tto say, but what he said did not include the word 'us'. It was merely ..."if you dont you get stuck in iraq."
November 3, 200620 yr most who are rich, would refuse to leave their comfy homes...i mean come on... Have you ever seen the alumni list for West Point? It's pretty impressive and there are a fair number of wealthy family names on that list. Not to mention, in order to be accepted to a US military academy, you need letters of referral from two politicians, so it makes sense that connected families [typically wealthier families] have easier access to these referrals. on the other hand the other branch has had to lower their standards so much so that anyone with a pulse can get in, offer absurd bonuses which you could immediately go out pay cash for a brand new Corvette, and guarantee you the world. The first branch says "Do you have what it takes to be one of us?" while the other says "Please join, i'm begging you, here is $50,000 dollars cash and money for college!" I know which one I would choose, infact I already have. Accord has just about reached the level of Kerry with that post. Good job sounding like a complete tool! :thumbup There's so much wrong information in this post to begin with, I hardly know which point to argue. Is it his complete ignorance as to the recruitment standards of the US Army? Is it his complete ignorance as to how military bonuses and tuition assistance is disbursed? Is it his complete and total ignorance as to the role of the ASVAB testing standards as they pertain to a soldier's MOS [job]? Hmm. I'm stumped. According to statistics obtained by The Associated Press, 3.8 percent of the first-time recruits scored below certain aptitude levels. In previous years, the Army had allowed only 2 percent of its recruits to have low aptitude scores. All high school graduates The Army said all the recruits with low scores had received high school diplomas. In a written statement, the Army said good test scores do not necessarily equate to quality soldiers. Test-taking ability, the Army said, does not measure loyalty, duty, honor, integrity or courage. Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15197832/ So, roughly 1.8% of our cooks and motor pool staff - all with HS diplomas - aren't good test takers. I think I'll still be able to sleep at night with the knowledge that at least these positions are filled with soldiers who received adequate training to get these mentally NON-challenging jobs done and feed and transport our Green Berets [92% with 4 year College Degrees, 39% with advanced degrees]. Hey, here's a fun fact: The US Army has over 500,000 active duty personel. That's only about 2.77 X the recruitment demand of the 150,000 total personel of the Marines.
November 3, 200620 yr All I know is the little ole Cape in surburban Cape Coral had many friends who have become members of our military since graduation in May, to all branches, and most of them were not "poor" and definitely not "stupid" as portrayed by Kerry in his miscue. One of my friends was given appointment to the United States Military Academy at West Point and was also offered appointment to the United States Naval Academy in Annapolis....and let me tell you that was 100% earned by him as his family had pull only because of him and his superior character, intelligence, and passion for the career.
November 4, 200620 yr Yankee, Accord, this is all I'm going to show you about the mentality of armchair-military suburbanites: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05223/552161.stm "I want you to know we support you," she gushed. Rivera soon reached the limits of her support. "Military service isn't for our son. It isn't for our kind of people," she told him. I'm sorry, YOUR KIND of people? And that doesn't even come from Fahrenheit 9/11, which essentially made the same charge. Addendum: more analysis on the quote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5081900815.html
November 4, 200620 yr Yankee, Accord, this is all I'm going to show you about the mentality of armchair-military suburbanites: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05223/552161.stm "I want you to know we support you," she gushed. Rivera soon reached the limits of her support. "Military service isn't for our son. It isn't for our kind of people," she told him. I'm sorry, YOUR KIND of people? And that doesn't even come from Fahrenheit 9/11, which essentially made the same charge. Addendum: more analysis on the quote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...5081900815.html That woman is an idiot, but regardless it doesn't matter what your political affiliation is or how you view the war, no parent wants to see their kid go off to war and be put in harms way. There was a kid at my USMC recruiting station and his parents flat out said they'll disown him and all sorts of horrible things if he went through with it. He told his parents that he's a grown adult and will make his own decisions, his parents were pissed as hell and went in screaming at the recruiter as if it was his fault their son has had the dream to become a Marine his whole life. So how did things turn out? .... His parents were the proudest ones in attendance on graduation day and were all decked out in "PROUD MOM OF A MARINE" and "MY SON IS A MARINE" gear. That's pretty much how things always turn out. The parents who are the most angry about it are always the ones who are the most proud, and if the son of that woman who said that stupid thing about how the military isn't for "our kind of people" went through with it i'm willing to bet my entire life savings that she would also be the proudest one there on graduation day.
November 5, 200620 yr Apparently he meant to say "You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get us stuck in Iraq." Hence, the 'botched joke'. Meaning President Bush got 'us' stuck in Iraq. So it makes sense to make fun of someone who got a higher GPA than you? I had a 2.4 gpa in high school and I'd argue that I'm one of the smarter people in the school. My 1400 on the SAT reflects this. ''I always told my Dad that D stood for distinction," Kerry said yesterday in a written response to questions, noting that he has previously acknowledged that he spent a lot of time learning to fly instead of focusing on his studies. Obviously John Kerry isn't the sharpest tool in the shed if he comes out and makes comments like that before an election!
November 5, 200620 yr my point is that traditionally, the rich do not fight the wars in which they create... Not true, stop spewing bulls*** socialist propaganda. The most prosperous families have a mildly-disproportionately high representation in the military. More than 22% of the military comes from parents in the top 20% of income earners. The poorest 20% of household produce less than 14% of recruits. The Middle 50% procuces by far the largest amount, more than 65%. One can argue that the middle class is shouldering more than its fair share of the burden, but cannot argue that the upper class is not shouldering its fair share. Also rural area and red states are disproportionately represented in the military. The only race significantly over represented in the military is Native Americans.
November 5, 200620 yr How about the soldiers on the field? Most officers are probably from the top 20%, right? But what about the grunts in the field? The guys doing the hard work?
November 5, 200620 yr How about the soldiers on the field? Most officers are probably from the top 20%, right? But what about the grunts in the field? The guys doing the hard work? Yeah Weiner's stats are as much an oversimplification as what he is trying to dispute.
November 5, 200620 yr How about the soldiers on the field? Most officers are probably from the top 20%, right? But what about the grunts in the field? The guys doing the hard work? Yeah Weiner's stats are as much an oversimplification as what he is trying to dispute. yeah...lets just say i havent heard of a rich grunt before...and im sure some republican on this board knows a millionaire grunt who is purely doing it for the love of his country and all that ra ra stuff...but most who are in the military are there because they need the money...which is fine...but its disgusting that the rich generally (and in this case) lead the war, not fight it...right W.? :whistle
November 5, 200620 yr How about the soldiers on the field? Most officers are probably from the top 20%, right? But what about the grunts in the field? The guys doing the hard work? Yeah Weiner's stats are as much an oversimplification as what he is trying to dispute. yeah...lets just say i havent heard of a rich grunt before...and im sure some republican on this board knows a millionaire grunt who is purely doing it for the love of his country and all that ra ra stuff...but most who are in the military are there because they need the money...which is fine...but its disgusting that the rich generally (and in this case) lead the war, not fight it...right W.? :whistle More often than not, you hurt your case when you post. Stop posting.
November 5, 200620 yr How about the soldiers on the field? Most officers are probably from the top 20%, right? But what about the grunts in the field? The guys doing the hard work? Yeah Weiner's stats are as much an oversimplification as what he is trying to dispute. yeah...lets just say i havent heard of a rich grunt before...and im sure some republican on this board knows a millionaire grunt who is purely doing it for the love of his country and all that ra ra stuff...but most who are in the military are there because they need the money...which is fine...but its disgusting that the rich generally (and in this case) lead the war, not fight it...right W.? :whistle Since the data is drawn from enlistment stats, it does not count officers, at all. I haven't been able to find a good study on the demographic background of officers. So whatever point you are trying to make doesn't work, but in fairness, I should have included that fact. Also officers fight the war too. I doubt that the demographics would indicate any decline in the proportionate representation of the top 20% of income families once officers were included.
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