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yes he could play CF...but why? You take a position of strength which is SS and convert it to a weak spot as well. Andino hasn't shown anything that will lead us to believe the team is better with him at SS. He is not even counted on as a utility player

 

Agreed. Plus, he's a moody guy. Remember how he reacted when he was told he was assigned to AAA last season at the end of ST? We don't need guys with bad attitudes on the club.

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From my perspective, moving Hanley at this point is a terrible idea. The reason being that we will be doing so to make room in the infield for either Amezaga or Andino. Neither of the two have sufficient ability to warrant moving someone of Hanley's ability. Unless we have an A+ talent coming in to play shortstop, it's his position.

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If Ramirez were to move to CF (not suggesting he will or should) the obvious in-house candidate to replace him is Amezaga.

 

It isn't by accident he has played *most* winter league games at shortstop.

 

 

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What would this accomplish? Isn't this the same as Amezaga at CF and Hanley at SS?

 

 

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IMO, this is a terrible idea and I don't think Hanley would be happy making the transition to CF. Hanley is the SS of the present and future of this organization

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If Ramirez were to move to CF (not suggesting he will or should) the obvious in-house candidate to replace him is Amezaga.

 

It isn't by accident he has played *most* winter league games at shortstop.

 

 

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What would this accomplish? Isn't this the same as Amezaga at CF and Hanley at SS?

 

 

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On moving Hanley to CF. . .

 

IMO, this is a terrible idea and I don't think Hanley would be happy making the transition to CF. Hanley is the SS of the present and future of this organization

 

I happen to agree with the last part most emphatically. If Hanley was opposed to it that should end the conjecture. But were he amenable, I have no doubt Amezaga could productively field the position and not just as a stopgap until another SS came along. It could work out that defensively the team is strengthened by such a move without changing personnel.

 

But again, Hanley has earned the right to make the call.

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Ramirez is a more than adequate shortstop and his value is highest at the position. There's far more centerfielders better than your typical shortstop and far more than any SS options we have available. The trick is acquiring one.

 

Remember, we're trying to build a championship contender.

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absolutely not. we need to trade pitching for a CF...end of story.

Hypothetically speaking, what if it's easier to get an impact SS in a trade versus an impact CF? Yes, I know that is a huge huge longshot as there are way more Rocco/Rios/Upton/Milledge/C. Young/Ad. Jones type players around then Hanley/S. Drew/B. Wood/Brignac type players, but if the opportunity is there to get one of these SS gems that's better than any CF we can obtain, why not? Hanley is going to be an incredibly positive offensive player at either position, and if the belief is he will eventually turn into a plus fielder anywhere he plays on the field (I believe this), I have no problem shifting him if we're able to acquire some stud SS. Obviously, I want BJ Upton or better here immediately for CF, but I just don't think it's smart to flat out say "no" when there is some scenario a pitching starved team with crazy SS depth (again, I haven't even looked to see if anyone matches this, I'm just conjecturing) might want to swing a deal. Huge huge longshot, just can't say end of story for the longterm here.

 

As for the short term, if we're going into camp with this CF mess, it might be a better idea to start Hanley in CF vs RHP and have Amezaga play SS, and then shift Hanley back to SS vs LHP and throw Cody in CF. I'm not in the camp where I believe moves like this hurt long term development of a player, especially not one of Hanley's caliber. This alignment would improve defense vs RHP at least, while keeping the same offensive potential of the club. This is a better stopgap idea then Alex Sanchez, and we could easily reestablish Hanley as a 100% shortstop the second Beinfest pulls that trigger for a CF. Hopefully that happens so we can stop with all this platoon, A. Sanchez, C. Hermansen, moving Hanley to CF, craziness.

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absolutely not. we need to trade pitching for a CF...end of story.

Hypothetically speaking, what if it's easier to get an impact SS in a trade versus an impact CF? Yes, I know that is a huge huge longshot as there are way more Rocco/Rios/Upton/Milledge/C. Young/Ad. Jones type players around then Hanley/S. Drew/B. Wood/Brignac type players, but if the opportunity is there to get one of these SS gems that's better than any CF we can obtain, why not? Hanley is going to be an incredibly positive offensive player at either position, and if the belief is he will eventually turn into a plus fielder anywhere he plays on the field (I believe this), I have no problem shifting him if we're able to acquire some stud SS. Obviously, I want BJ Upton or better here immediately for CF, but I just don't think it's smart to flat out say "no" when there is some scenario a pitching starved team with crazy SS depth (again, I haven't even looked to see if anyone matches this, I'm just conjecturing) might want to swing a deal. Huge huge longshot, just can't say end of story for the longterm here.

 

As for the short term, if we're going into camp with this CF mess, it might be a better idea to start Hanley in CF vs RHP and have Amezaga play SS, and then shift Hanley back to SS vs LHP and throw Cody in CF. I'm not in the camp where I believe moves like this hurt long term development of a player, especially not one of Hanley's caliber. This alignment would improve defense vs RHP at least, while keeping the same offensive potential of the club. This is a better stopgap idea then Alex Sanchez, and we could easily reestablish Hanley as a 100% shortstop the second Beinfest pulls that trigger for a CF. Hopefully that happens so we can stop with all this platoon, A. Sanchez, C. Hermansen, moving Hanley to CF, craziness.

 

see I would think he would take it as a slap in the face if we somehow got an elite young SS to replace him and told him to go to CF after how well he did overall for us last year. Instead if it was a great respectable veteran then that would be different. Either way. I would rather not have a new SS though really. I think we could get a CF option cheaper honestly then A SS option because more teams are looking for a SS then a CF I believe.

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absolutely not. we need to trade pitching for a CF...end of story.

Hypothetically speaking, what if it's easier to get an impact SS in a trade versus an impact CF? Yes, I know that is a huge huge longshot as there are way more Rocco/Rios/Upton/Milledge/C. Young/Ad. Jones type players around then Hanley/S. Drew/B. Wood/Brignac type players, but if the opportunity is there to get one of these SS gems that's better than any CF we can obtain, why not? Hanley is going to be an incredibly positive offensive player at either position, and if the belief is he will eventually turn into a plus fielder anywhere he plays on the field (I believe this), I have no problem shifting him if we're able to acquire some stud SS. Obviously, I want BJ Upton or better here immediately for CF, but I just don't think it's smart to flat out say "no" when there is some scenario a pitching starved team with crazy SS depth (again, I haven't even looked to see if anyone matches this, I'm just conjecturing) might want to swing a deal. Huge huge longshot, just can't say end of story for the longterm here.

 

As for the short term, if we're going into camp with this CF mess, it might be a better idea to start Hanley in CF vs RHP and have Amezaga play SS, and then shift Hanley back to SS vs LHP and throw Cody in CF. I'm not in the camp where I believe moves like this hurt long term development of a player, especially not one of Hanley's caliber. This alignment would improve defense vs RHP at least, while keeping the same offensive potential of the club. This is a better stopgap idea then Alex Sanchez, and we could easily reestablish Hanley as a 100% shortstop the second Beinfest pulls that trigger for a CF. Hopefully that happens so we can stop with all this platoon, A. Sanchez, C. Hermansen, moving Hanley to CF, craziness.

I guess you cant say end of story outright, however, I think the chances of Hanley getting moved off SS are extremely small...to the point of non-existence. Our focus could change to acquiring a premier SS prospect, but the barrel is shallow there as you said. For discussion sake which SS would you be referring to?

It makes little sense to move him off SS to CF for a year when realistically we're long-shot playoff contenders. I'd rather allow him to further develop his skills at SS and let Amezega (barring CF trade) try to build on his 06 season.

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I guess you cant say end of story outright, however, I think the chances of Hanley getting moved off SS are extremely small...to the point of non-existence. Our focus could change to acquiring a premier SS prospect, but the barrel is shallow there as you said. For discussion sake which SS would you be referring to?

It makes little sense to move him off SS to CF for a year when realistically we're long-shot playoff contenders. I'd rather allow him to further develop his skills at SS and let Amezega (barring CF trade) try to build on his 06 season.

No names, just saying. You're probably right saying it's non existent, just rationally speaking I wouldn't be opposed to it if it's the exact right opportunity. The answer is Rocco/Upton for sure.

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