All I'm going to say on that play is this:

 

If you're an outfielder trucking in, you're not looking at anything other than the ball. With the roof, the ball's tough to pick up, once Borchard got into the area, his head never came off the ball. If you watch the replay, Uggla clearly takes the ball out of Borchard's glove. If Borchard were to peel off there and the ball drops behind Uggla (because, let's be honest, he had to use all 5'5'' of him just to reach up for that one) it's all Borchard's fault.

 

Finally, if Borchard's in position, it's only rational for him to assume that the infielders knowing the outfield priority would peel off, Uggla's presence alone doesn't mean Borchard knows he's going to catch it, or should be expected to catch it.

All I'm going to say on that play is this:

 

If you're an outfielder trucking in, you're not looking at anything other than the ball. With the roof, the ball's tough to pick up, once Borchard got into the area, his head never came off the ball. If you watch the replay, Uggla clearly takes the ball out of Borchard's glove. If Borchard were to peel off there and the ball drops behind Uggla (because, let's be honest, he had to use all 5'5'' of him just to reach up for that one) it's all Borchard's fault.

 

Finally, if Borchard's in position, it's only rational for him to assume that the infielders knowing the outfield priority would peel off, Uggla's presence alone doesn't mean Borchard knows he's going to catch it, or should be expected to catch it.

Still, its your job as an outfielder, no matter how green you may be, to notice a guy frantically waving and calling you off.

All I'm going to say on that play is this:

 

If you're an outfielder trucking in, you're not looking at anything other than the ball. With the roof, the ball's tough to pick up, once Borchard got into the area, his head never came off the ball. If you watch the replay, Uggla clearly takes the ball out of Borchard's glove. If Borchard were to peel off there and the ball drops behind Uggla (because, let's be honest, he had to use all 5'5'' of him just to reach up for that one) it's all Borchard's fault.

 

Finally, if Borchard's in position, it's only rational for him to assume that the infielders knowing the outfield priority would peel off, Uggla's presence alone doesn't mean Borchard knows he's going to catch it, or should be expected to catch it.

Still, its your job as an outfielder, no matter how green you may be, to notice a guy frantically waving and calling you off.

 

Not to turn this into a pissing contest, but have you ever played baseball?

 

Catching a flyball is hardly as easy as it looks, and the process done is nothing like you'd expect. You run to the spot and then find the ball again. Once you're in the "spot" you're doing nothing but looking skyward. There's no recognition of what's going on around you at that point, it isn't a half and half looking around. It's no coincidence that so many collisions happen on 'tweener fly-balls like that. There is just an inexcusable lack of communication.

It was Borchard's ball. Uggla needed to let him get that.

 

 

/discussion

All I'm going to say on that play is this:

 

If you're an outfielder trucking in, you're not looking at anything other than the ball. With the roof, the ball's tough to pick up, once Borchard got into the area, his head never came off the ball. If you watch the replay, Uggla clearly takes the ball out of Borchard's glove. If Borchard were to peel off there and the ball drops behind Uggla (because, let's be honest, he had to use all 5'5'' of him just to reach up for that one) it's all Borchard's fault.

 

Finally, if Borchard's in position, it's only rational for him to assume that the infielders knowing the outfield priority would peel off, Uggla's presence alone doesn't mean Borchard knows he's going to catch it, or should be expected to catch it.

Still, its your job as an outfielder, no matter how green you may be, to notice a guy frantically waving and calling you off.

 

Not to turn this into a pissing contest, but have you ever played baseball?

 

Catching a flyball is hardly as easy as it looks, and the process done is nothing like you'd expect. You run to the spot and then find the ball again. Once you're in the "spot" you're doing nothing but looking skyward. There's no recognition of what's going on around you at that point, it isn't a half and half looking around. It's no coincidence that so many collisions happen on 'tweener fly-balls like that. There is just an inexcusable lack of communication.

Not to change the subject, but as long as we're talking about inexcusable, its inexcusable for a manger to make the same mistake in a two week span. I don't care if this is his first year as a manager, you saw what happened when you leave a pitcher struggling to throw strikes in the game IN THE SAME SITUATION (bases loaded, game on the line) to pitch to the next hitter two weeks ago and you do it again today.

 

If Gonzalez would have made a move to the pen, that fly ball probably never would have happened.

All I'm going to say on that play is this:

 

If you're an outfielder trucking in, you're not looking at anything other than the ball. With the roof, the ball's tough to pick up, once Borchard got into the area, his head never came off the ball. If you watch the replay, Uggla clearly takes the ball out of Borchard's glove. If Borchard were to peel off there and the ball drops behind Uggla (because, let's be honest, he had to use all 5'5'' of him just to reach up for that one) it's all Borchard's fault.

 

Finally, if Borchard's in position, it's only rational for him to assume that the infielders knowing the outfield priority would peel off, Uggla's presence alone doesn't mean Borchard knows he's going to catch it, or should be expected to catch it.

Still, its your job as an outfielder, no matter how green you may be, to notice a guy frantically waving and calling you off.

 

Not to turn this into a pissing contest, but have you ever played baseball?

 

Catching a flyball is hardly as easy as it looks, and the process done is nothing like you'd expect. You run to the spot and then find the ball again. Once you're in the "spot" you're doing nothing but looking skyward. There's no recognition of what's going on around you at that point, it isn't a half and half looking around. It's no coincidence that so many collisions happen on 'tweener fly-balls like that. There is just an inexcusable lack of communication.

 

He's right. Even though he sounds like a jerk, he is right. I always had so much respect for my OF's when I played, because I knew I couldn't do it.

and mckeon is the same guy that got lucky enough to have Braden Looper pitch ugueth urbina out of a bases loaded jam. Braden Looper was a piece of crap... and Jack McKeon may have been the luckiest manager alive that year. He wasnt a managerial genius, evidenced by his mercenarial behavior since 1912.

 

So McKeon was lucky, but Beinfest was a genius.

 

(Sorry, I had to).

lol... I dont think Beinfest is a genius at all. I think he got incredibly lucky the year we won it all that everyone had a career year. He also got incredibly lucky to catch a crappy market last year by surprise with the dumping of every player. Dombrowski could not get MLB ready players initially when he initiated a firesale because everyone knew of the desperation.

Just look at the success of Admin's trades. The initial trades are the centerpieces and as the timetable progressed he got Travis Bowyer and a bag of peanuts for Luis Castillo.

He is a good gm. Do not get me wrong. I even stated that claiming Beinfest turns crap (closers on the tail end) into superstars a farce. He got lucky and Benitez had been a premier closer previously... but New York thinks a couple of blown saves is a disaster. Todd Jones replaced Beinfests previous closer (mota). And borowski... was not even that good.

All I'm going to say on that play is this:

 

If you're an outfielder trucking in, you're not looking at anything other than the ball. With the roof, the ball's tough to pick up, once Borchard got into the area, his head never came off the ball. If you watch the replay, Uggla clearly takes the ball out of Borchard's glove. If Borchard were to peel off there and the ball drops behind Uggla (because, let's be honest, he had to use all 5'5'' of him just to reach up for that one) it's all Borchard's fault.

 

Finally, if Borchard's in position, it's only rational for him to assume that the infielders knowing the outfield priority would peel off, Uggla's presence alone doesn't mean Borchard knows he's going to catch it, or should be expected to catch it.

The Outfielder has better vision of the ball and coming in is easier to make the catch. It's the outfielders catch to make

All I'm going to say on that play is this:

 

If you're an outfielder trucking in, you're not looking at anything other than the ball. With the roof, the ball's tough to pick up, once Borchard got into the area, his head never came off the ball. If you watch the replay, Uggla clearly takes the ball out of Borchard's glove. If Borchard were to peel off there and the ball drops behind Uggla (because, let's be honest, he had to use all 5'5'' of him just to reach up for that one) it's all Borchard's fault.

 

Finally, if Borchard's in position, it's only rational for him to assume that the infielders knowing the outfield priority would peel off, Uggla's presence alone doesn't mean Borchard knows he's going to catch it, or should be expected to catch it.

Still, its your job as an outfielder, no matter how green you may be, to notice a guy frantically waving and calling you off.

 

Not to turn this into a pissing contest, but have you ever played baseball?

 

Catching a flyball is hardly as easy as it looks, and the process done is nothing like you'd expect. You run to the spot and then find the ball again. Once you're in the "spot" you're doing nothing but looking skyward. There's no recognition of what's going on around you at that point, it isn't a half and half looking around. It's no coincidence that so many collisions happen on 'tweener fly-balls like that. There is just an inexcusable lack of communication.

Not to change the subject, but as long as we're talking about inexcusable, its inexcusable for a manger to make the same mistake in a two week span. I don't care if this is his first year as a manager, you saw what happened when you leave a pitcher struggling to throw strikes in the game IN THE SAME SITUATION (bases loaded, game on the line) to pitch to the next hitter two weeks ago and you do it again today.

 

If Gonzalez would have made a move to the pen, that fly ball probably never would have happened.

 

There are people on this board suggesting Gregg being brought in initially was a bad call. There are people on this board that probably thought Lee Gardner coming in two weeks ago with the bases loaded was a joke. There are people on this board that do not understand that baseball might just be the hardest damn sport to predict. If Tank comes in and allows a hit... everyone still wants Gonzalez's head. If Gregg induces the pop up and then turns a double play, Gonzalez is lucky. You cannot have it both ways. Gonzalez had confidence that Gregg could get Ensberg out and he almost did. The credit will always go to the player and lots of the blame will go on the manager.

Managing is not easy and everyone on this board likes to make it seem like there is an obvious formula.

 

However, I do hate it when managers let pitchers (with the game on the line) get into jams. But, what if the manager allows Gregg to stay and he forces the hitter into a double play? Is Freddi a genius? Or a beneficiary of the game of inches?

All I'm going to say on that play is this:

 

If you're an outfielder trucking in, you're not looking at anything other than the ball. With the roof, the ball's tough to pick up, once Borchard got into the area, his head never came off the ball. If you watch the replay, Uggla clearly takes the ball out of Borchard's glove. If Borchard were to peel off there and the ball drops behind Uggla (because, let's be honest, he had to use all 5'5'' of him just to reach up for that one) it's all Borchard's fault.

 

Finally, if Borchard's in position, it's only rational for him to assume that the infielders knowing the outfield priority would peel off, Uggla's presence alone doesn't mean Borchard knows he's going to catch it, or should be expected to catch it.

Still, its your job as an outfielder, no matter how green you may be, to notice a guy frantically waving and calling you off.

 

Not to turn this into a pissing contest, but have you ever played baseball?

 

Catching a flyball is hardly as easy as it looks, and the process done is nothing like you'd expect. You run to the spot and then find the ball again. Once you're in the "spot" you're doing nothing but looking skyward. There's no recognition of what's going on around you at that point, it isn't a half and half looking around. It's no coincidence that so many collisions happen on 'tweener fly-balls like that. There is just an inexcusable lack of communication.

Not to change the subject, but as long as we're talking about inexcusable, its inexcusable for a manger to make the same mistake in a two week span. I don't care if this is his first year as a manager, you saw what happened when you leave a pitcher struggling to throw strikes in the game IN THE SAME SITUATION (bases loaded, game on the line) to pitch to the next hitter two weeks ago and you do it again today.

 

If Gonzalez would have made a move to the pen, that fly ball probably never would have happened.

 

There are people on this board suggesting Gregg being brought in initially was a bad call. There are people on this board that probably thought Lee Gardner coming in two weeks ago with the bases loaded was a joke. There are people on this board that do not understand that baseball might just be the hardest damn sport to predict. If Tank comes in and allows a hit... everyone still wants Gonzalez's head. If Gregg induces the pop up and then turns a double play, Gonzalez is lucky. You cannot have it both ways. Gonzalez had confidence that Gregg could get Ensberg out and he almost did. The credit will always go to the player and lots of the blame will go on the manager.

Managing is not easy and everyone on this board likes to make it seem like there is an obvious formula.

 

However, I do hate it when managers let pitchers (with the game on the line) get into jams. But, what if the manager allows Gregg to stay and he forces the hitter into a double play? Is Freddi a genius? Or a beneficiary of the game of inches?

DEFINITELY the latter. Leaving Gregg in when he saw another pitcher fail a few weeks before, even if Gregg winds up getting the job done, is simply moronic.

All I'm going to say on that play is this:

 

If you're an outfielder trucking in, you're not looking at anything other than the ball. With the roof, the ball's tough to pick up, once Borchard got into the area, his head never came off the ball. If you watch the replay, Uggla clearly takes the ball out of Borchard's glove. If Borchard were to peel off there and the ball drops behind Uggla (because, let's be honest, he had to use all 5'5'' of him just to reach up for that one) it's all Borchard's fault.

 

Finally, if Borchard's in position, it's only rational for him to assume that the infielders knowing the outfield priority would peel off, Uggla's presence alone doesn't mean Borchard knows he's going to catch it, or should be expected to catch it.

Still, its your job as an outfielder, no matter how green you may be, to notice a guy frantically waving and calling you off.

 

Not to turn this into a pissing contest, but have you ever played baseball?

 

Catching a flyball is hardly as easy as it looks, and the process done is nothing like you'd expect. You run to the spot and then find the ball again. Once you're in the "spot" you're doing nothing but looking skyward. There's no recognition of what's going on around you at that point, it isn't a half and half looking around. It's no coincidence that so many collisions happen on 'tweener fly-balls like that. There is just an inexcusable lack of communication.

Not to change the subject, but as long as we're talking about inexcusable, its inexcusable for a manger to make the same mistake in a two week span. I don't care if this is his first year as a manager, you saw what happened when you leave a pitcher struggling to throw strikes in the game IN THE SAME SITUATION (bases loaded, game on the line) to pitch to the next hitter two weeks ago and you do it again today.

 

If Gonzalez would have made a move to the pen, that fly ball probably never would have happened.

 

There are people on this board suggesting Gregg being brought in initially was a bad call. There are people on this board that probably thought Lee Gardner coming in two weeks ago with the bases loaded was a joke. There are people on this board that do not understand that baseball might just be the hardest damn sport to predict. If Tank comes in and allows a hit... everyone still wants Gonzalez's head. If Gregg induces the pop up and then turns a double play, Gonzalez is lucky. You cannot have it both ways. Gonzalez had confidence that Gregg could get Ensberg out and he almost did. The credit will always go to the player and lots of the blame will go on the manager.

Managing is not easy and everyone on this board likes to make it seem like there is an obvious formula.

 

However, I do hate it when managers let pitchers (with the game on the line) get into jams. But, what if the manager allows Gregg to stay and he forces the hitter into a double play? Is Freddi a genius? Or a beneficiary of the game of inches?

 

Objectively, going with Gregg was the right call. The pitcher's spot had just come up, you had a guy out there that could give you 2 or 3 innings and the top of the lineup for Houston is predominantly right-handed.

 

However, sticking with Gregg when Tank was warming was a bad decision. For a short reliever like Tank, if he's warm, he might as well get in so there was no "preservation" bail out.

 

The manager's job is to put the team in the best situation to win, initially he did that with Gregg, but there was no need to stick with Gregg after showing that he (Gregg) could not help the team win.

If you are the RF, call it. If somebody else calls it, and you don't, get the hell out of the way!

ten walks is ten walks. I really dont think its all to difficult to see where the problem is. Sanchez, Lindstrom, and gregg gotta get there sh*t together. And while were at it so does Olsen. cuz regardless of the fact that Gonzalez didnt pull gregg, what difference does it make if the guy coming after him walks a few more... I think its that big of a problem with all our pitchers.

I'm still very positive.. We just need to get our sh*t together.

All I'm going to say on that play is this:

 

If you're an outfielder trucking in, you're not looking at anything other than the ball. With the roof, the ball's tough to pick up, once Borchard got into the area, his head never came off the ball. If you watch the replay, Uggla clearly takes the ball out of Borchard's glove. If Borchard were to peel off there and the ball drops behind Uggla (because, let's be honest, he had to use all 5'5'' of him just to reach up for that one) it's all Borchard's fault.

 

Finally, if Borchard's in position, it's only rational for him to assume that the infielders knowing the outfield priority would peel off, Uggla's presence alone doesn't mean Borchard knows he's going to catch it, or should be expected to catch it.

Still, its your job as an outfielder, no matter how green you may be, to notice a guy frantically waving and calling you off.

 

Not to turn this into a pissing contest, but have you ever played baseball?

 

Catching a flyball is hardly as easy as it looks, and the process done is nothing like you'd expect. You run to the spot and then find the ball again. Once you're in the "spot" you're doing nothing but looking skyward. There's no recognition of what's going on around you at that point, it isn't a half and half looking around. It's no coincidence that so many collisions happen on 'tweener fly-balls like that. There is just an inexcusable lack of communication.

Not to change the subject, but as long as we're talking about inexcusable, its inexcusable for a manger to make the same mistake in a two week span. I don't care if this is his first year as a manager, you saw what happened when you leave a pitcher struggling to throw strikes in the game IN THE SAME SITUATION (bases loaded, game on the line) to pitch to the next hitter two weeks ago and you do it again today.

 

If Gonzalez would have made a move to the pen, that fly ball probably never would have happened.

 

There are people on this board suggesting Gregg being brought in initially was a bad call. There are people on this board that probably thought Lee Gardner coming in two weeks ago with the bases loaded was a joke. There are people on this board that do not understand that baseball might just be the hardest damn sport to predict. If Tank comes in and allows a hit... everyone still wants Gonzalez's head. If Gregg induces the pop up and then turns a double play, Gonzalez is lucky. You cannot have it both ways. Gonzalez had confidence that Gregg could get Ensberg out and he almost did. The credit will always go to the player and lots of the blame will go on the manager.

Managing is not easy and everyone on this board likes to make it seem like there is an obvious formula.

 

However, I do hate it when managers let pitchers (with the game on the line) get into jams. But, what if the manager allows Gregg to stay and he forces the hitter into a double play? Is Freddi a genius? Or a beneficiary of the game of inches?

brilliant post...couldnt have said it better.

All I'm going to say on that play is this:

 

If you're an outfielder trucking in, you're not looking at anything other than the ball. With the roof, the ball's tough to pick up, once Borchard got into the area, his head never came off the ball. If you watch the replay, Uggla clearly takes the ball out of Borchard's glove. If Borchard were to peel off there and the ball drops behind Uggla (because, let's be honest, he had to use all 5'5'' of him just to reach up for that one) it's all Borchard's fault.

 

Finally, if Borchard's in position, it's only rational for him to assume that the infielders knowing the outfield priority would peel off, Uggla's presence alone doesn't mean Borchard knows he's going to catch it, or should be expected to catch it.

Still, its your job as an outfielder, no matter how green you may be, to notice a guy frantically waving and calling you off.

 

Not to turn this into a pissing contest, but have you ever played baseball?

 

Catching a flyball is hardly as easy as it looks, and the process done is nothing like you'd expect. You run to the spot and then find the ball again. Once you're in the "spot" you're doing nothing but looking skyward. There's no recognition of what's going on around you at that point, it isn't a half and half looking around. It's no coincidence that so many collisions happen on 'tweener fly-balls like that. There is just an inexcusable lack of communication.

Not to change the subject, but as long as we're talking about inexcusable, its inexcusable for a manger to make the same mistake in a two week span. I don't care if this is his first year as a manager, you saw what happened when you leave a pitcher struggling to throw strikes in the game IN THE SAME SITUATION (bases loaded, game on the line) to pitch to the next hitter two weeks ago and you do it again today.

 

If Gonzalez would have made a move to the pen, that fly ball probably never would have happened.

 

There are people on this board suggesting Gregg being brought in initially was a bad call. There are people on this board that probably thought Lee Gardner coming in two weeks ago with the bases loaded was a joke. There are people on this board that do not understand that baseball might just be the hardest damn sport to predict. If Tank comes in and allows a hit... everyone still wants Gonzalez's head. If Gregg induces the pop up and then turns a double play, Gonzalez is lucky. You cannot have it both ways. Gonzalez had confidence that Gregg could get Ensberg out and he almost did. The credit will always go to the player and lots of the blame will go on the manager.

Managing is not easy and everyone on this board likes to make it seem like there is an obvious formula.

 

However, I do hate it when managers let pitchers (with the game on the line) get into jams. But, what if the manager allows Gregg to stay and he forces the hitter into a double play? Is Freddi a genius? Or a beneficiary of the game of inches?

 

Objectively, going with Gregg was the right call. The pitcher's spot had just come up, you had a guy out there that could give you 2 or 3 innings and the top of the lineup for Houston is predominantly right-handed.

 

However, sticking with Gregg when Tank was warming was a bad decision. For a short reliever like Tank, if he's warm, he might as well get in so there was no "preservation" bail out.

 

The manager's job is to put the team in the best situation to win, initially he did that with Gregg, but there was no need to stick with Gregg after showing that he (Gregg) could not help the team win.

 

 

Agreed. In that situation, we needed a strikeout. I would have felt more comfortable with Tank up there than with Gregg. Gregg had no confidence in any pitch other than his fastball. The three 3-2 pitches Gregg made to Ensberg were all fastballs right down the middle. I can't believe the first two were fouled off. If you are sitting dead red on a fastball and it's right down the middle, that ball needs to be smacked. Luckily for the Astros Ensberg's ball wasn't hit more to the right otherwise Hanley would have had a play at the plate.

A thing to keep in mind is Tank is/was still coming back from injury. He allowed a homer in his first appearance. I cant fault Fredi for anything that happened in this game. The offense needed to take advantage of Wandy....they didnt. Hanley made a game changing baserunning error. Gregg had a decent chance to escape his 9th inning jam with tie intact....silliness in the field prevented him the chance.

I'm still very positive.. We just need to get our sh*t together.

 

 

A thing to keep in mind is Tank is/was still coming back from injury. He allowed a homer in his first appearance. I cant fault Fredi for anything that happened in this game. The offense needed to take advantage of Wandy....they didnt. Hanley made a game changing baserunning error. Gregg had a decent chance to escape his 9th inning jam with tie intact....silliness in the field prevented him the chance.

 

yup.

 

 

I am getting sick and tired of some of the negative attitutdes on this board (obviously not talking about everyone). Mistakes happen. Things don't work out. That's baseball. One just hopes that after 162 games things work out well enough for you that you make the playoffs.

 

And, to be honest, a lot of us on this board think we know baseball better than we do. Not only that, but you don't know why managers make certain decisions. Maybe Fredi didn't bring Tank in because his bullpen coach told him that Tank had no control or his pitches were flat and very hittable. You just don't know.

 

I'll evaluate Fredi at the end of the season.

This year we have sergio mitre and Jorge Julio to blame for four of the teams six losses.

I don't think Mitre is good but to hang two losses on him is ridiculous.

 

we need fix this quick because we donot want to get in big hole we have only one good pitcher that is willis but he cannot pitch in all game some one else need show their can pitch too or we going have LONG SEASON

Yes. DTrain has pitched well but overall the rotation isn't getting the job done.

I think if Gregg had retired Ensberg then Fredi may have brought Tank in to face Scott. I would rather have Gregg face Ensberg than Tank face Ensberg. That's what I would have done.

I'm still very positive.. We just need to get our sh*t together.

 

 

A thing to keep in mind is Tank is/was still coming back from injury. He allowed a homer in his first appearance. I cant fault Fredi for anything that happened in this game. The offense needed to take advantage of Wandy....they didnt. Hanley made a game changing baserunning error. Gregg had a decent chance to escape his 9th inning jam with tie intact....silliness in the field prevented him the chance.

 

yup.

 

 

I am getting sick and tired of some of the negative attitutdes on this board (obviously not talking about everyone). Mistakes happen. Things don't work out. That's baseball. One just hopes that after 162 games things work out well enough for you that you make the playoffs.

 

And, to be honest, a lot of us on this board think we know baseball better than we do. Not only that, but you don't know why managers make certain decisions. Maybe Fredi didn't bring Tank in because his bullpen coach told him that Tank had no control or his pitches were flat and very hittable. You just don't know.

 

I'll evaluate Fredi at the end of the season.

bingo.

 

the Debbie Downers were really pissing me off...but Ive just started tuning them out. It's incredible how many negative things this group can nit-pick about this club and it only leads me to believe they're probably just negative people in their lives as well. No sense in trying to fix them as it only steals your own frame of trying to enjoy such a young, talented team, play the greatest game ever invented. :cool

I'm really getting tired of us serving up vitories to other teams. The walks are stupid and aggrovating. Not looking at the third base coach has to stop. We are playing sloppy. and it needs to stop. I would kill to see a Jack McKeon ass chew out session right now.

 

This team is nowhere near as sloppy as it was under McKeon and Gonzalez hasn't done anything even a tenth as hairbrained as Jack McKeon would do.

 

Pitchers need to throw strikes, if they can't, demote them. Anyone know if Gregg has options? Cause I want Gardner back.

 

At Least what Jack did worked. I'm with the other guy, when need a good McKeon rip, he'll straigten this club out. I say Beinfest should give him a call and bring him down to get this team back in line. So far, the team needs to focus. If they want to win championship they need to avoid these mistakes.

I'm really getting tired of us serving up vitories to other teams. The walks are stupid and aggrovating. Not looking at the third base coach has to stop. We are playing sloppy. and it needs to stop. I would kill to see a Jack McKeon ass chew out session right now.

 

This team is nowhere near as sloppy as it was under McKeon and Gonzalez hasn't done anything even a tenth as hairbrained as Jack McKeon would do.

 

Pitchers need to throw strikes, if they can't, demote them. Anyone know if Gregg has options? Cause I want Gardner back.

 

At Least what Jack did worked. I'm with the other guy, when need a good McKeon rip, he'll straigten this club out. I say Beinfest should give him a call and bring him down to get this team back in line. So far, the team needs to focus. If they want to win championship they need to avoid these mistakes.

The '04 and '05 Marlins under Jack made A LOT of dumb mistakes. Dumb baserunning and pitchers ignoring baserunners were the rule on those teams. Fredi is not going to rip and embarrass players in front of everyone ala Jack. I hope he addresses any problems in private.

I'm still very positive.. We just need to get our sh*t together.

 

 

A thing to keep in mind is Tank is/was still coming back from injury. He allowed a homer in his first appearance. I cant fault Fredi for anything that happened in this game. The offense needed to take advantage of Wandy....they didnt. Hanley made a game changing baserunning error. Gregg had a decent chance to escape his 9th inning jam with tie intact....silliness in the field prevented him the chance.

 

yup.

 

 

I am getting sick and tired of some of the negative attitutdes on this board (obviously not talking about everyone). Mistakes happen. Things don't work out. That's baseball. One just hopes that after 162 games things work out well enough for you that you make the playoffs.

 

And, to be honest, a lot of us on this board think we know baseball better than we do. Not only that, but you don't know why managers make certain decisions. Maybe Fredi didn't bring Tank in because his bullpen coach told him that Tank had no control or his pitches were flat and very hittable. You just don't know.

 

I'll evaluate Fredi at the end of the season.

Good post. The ripping is getting old. We don't know all the details

You act like you know everything about all these guys. I think Fred is justifiably trying to determine who he can rely on as the season moves forward. Because of Jorge Julio's poor performance thus far, the bullpen is in a state of flux and Fredi is trying to determine roles. This was a good test for Gregg, and he didn't do so well. Clearly, next time he won't have the same kind of confidence.

 

Although I must say that Gregg wasn't missing by a whole bunch. Just enough to walk guys. I would give him more opportunities.