August 10, 200718 yr I know that he has had his lapses this year but if you compare him to plenty of other catchers around the league his production is very good. You may notice now that hes leaving the bat on his shoulders before swinging instead of having them up over his head as usual. Yadier Molina had started to do this last year and his hitting has really improved. Also i think that this could make Olivo select better pitches and make better contact with a more controlled bat.
August 10, 200718 yr I know that he has had his lapses this year but if you compare him to plenty of other catchers around the league his production is very good. Actually his production compared to other catchers around the league is very bad, but ok.
August 10, 200718 yr I know that he has had his lapses this year but if you compare him to plenty of other catchers around the league his production is very good. Actually his production compared to other catchers around the league is very bad, but ok. Minor leagues don't count. Cute though, you must really like him if you analyzing his batting stance and not his batting stats.
August 10, 200718 yr Author I know that he has had his lapses this year but if you compare him to plenty of other catchers around the league his production is very good. Actually his production compared to other catchers around the league is very bad, but ok. Minor leagues don't count. Cute though, you must really like him if you analyzing his batting stance and not his batting stats. funny becuase michael barret whose lauded as a good hitting catcher has only a .247 batting average with less home runs and rbi than olivo and yeah and paul lo duca has less too but everyone loves him so read the stats smartass.
August 10, 200718 yr funny becuase michael barret whose lauded as a good hitting catcher has only a .247 batting average with less home runs and rbi than olivo and yeah and paul lo duca has less too but everyone loves him so read the stats smartass. Among catchers with 100 PA this season, Olivo ranks 40th in OPS, at .636. That is in a word, terrible. LoDuca and Barret are both higher then him, and they are having off years compared to their much better career rates. Olivo isn't a fluke. He swings at everything, he's never going to improve. Just look at the plate discipline. He has 8 walks this season. He had 9 last year. The guy stinks in his role as a starter. Matt Treanor is 10th at .801 for shits and giggles.
August 10, 200718 yr I know that he has had his lapses this year but if you compare him to plenty of other catchers around the league his production is very good. You may notice now that hes leaving the bat on his shoulders before swinging instead of having them up over his head as usual. Yadier Molina had started to do this last year and his hitting has really improved. Also i think that this could make Olivo select better pitches and make better contact with a more controlled bat. Olivo ranks 28th in OPS among the 31 catchers with most PAs. That's terrible any way you look at it. Jacobs ranks 28th in OPS among the 31 first basemen with the most PAs. That's also terrible. Those two spots in the lineup need to be addressed.
August 10, 200718 yr funny becuase michael barret whose lauded as a good hitting catcher has only a .247 batting average with less home runs and rbi than olivo and yeah and paul lo duca has less too but everyone loves him so read the stats smartass. Among catchers with 100 PA this season, Olivo ranks 40th in OPS, at .636. That is in a word, terrible. LoDuca and Barret are both higher then him, and they are having off years compared to their much better career rates. Olivo isn't a fluke. He swings at everything, he's never going to improve. Just look at the plate discipline. He has 8 walks this season. He had 9 last year. The guy stinks in his role as a starter. Matt Treanor is 10th at .801 for shits and giggles. olivo is also quite possibly the worst starting, defensive catcher in baseball. and for a catcher, if you're unreliable defensively, and don't do well handling the pitchers, you're worthless. he has a strong arm? great! it really helped him throw that ball into center field the other night. and he's .255/.382. give me a break.
August 10, 200718 yr Olivo is horrible he'll have his occassional RBI double or a homer here and there but when you need him he is nowhere to be found and those strikeouts with 3 pitches are the worst, I dont care where LoDuca & Barrett rank but they at least put the ball in play, something that Olivo could only dream about.
August 10, 200718 yr Wasnt this the same poster who spouted that Olivo was great defensively not more than a week ago?
August 10, 200718 yr Wasnt this the same poster who spouted that Olivo was great defensively not more than a week ago? Yeah. :lol
August 11, 200718 yr Author Wasnt this the same poster who spouted that Olivo was great defensively not more than a week ago? Yeah. :lol umm ur a loser for even remembering that but anyway i actaully only said he has a great arm and makes good plays at the plate.
August 12, 200718 yr Right now the only thing that matters to me is the wins. If we had lost today ot would be a different story.
August 12, 200718 yr Wasnt this the same poster who spouted that Olivo was great defensively not more than a week ago? Yeah. :lol umm ur a loser for even remembering that but anyway i actaully only said he has a great arm and makes good plays at the plate. Yea, so good that he can't even hold on to the damn ball!
August 12, 200718 yr I know that he has had his lapses this year but if you compare him to plenty of other catchers around the league his production is very good. You may notice now that hes leaving the bat on his shoulders before swinging instead of having them up over his head as usual. Yadier Molina had started to do this last year and his hitting has really improved. Also i think that this could make Olivo select better pitches and make better contact with a more controlled bat. Olivo ranks 28th in OPS among the 31 catchers with most PAs. That's terrible any way you look at it. Jacobs ranks 28th in OPS among the 31 first basemen with the most PAs. That's also terrible. Those two spots in the lineup need to be addressed. Wouldn't mind seeing an improvement at both positions. A little Salty with your ball club? Like that will ever happen. But one can hope. Actually Olivo isn't as bad defensively as all the haters would like us to believe. But whatever.
August 13, 200718 yr I think everyone would like to see the catching situation improve, but I am worried that people seem to seriously think Treanor is better overall. There is a reason it took the guy 10 years to even reach the major leagues. Yes, obviously Olivo is not an all-star catcher. And it probably helps Dontrelle to have Treanor catch him (for some inexplicable reason). But Olivo has a better arm, and as a full time catcher, even as flawed as he is, will still produce better than Treanor. Treanor is as likely to hit 292 as a full time player as Lenny Harris was to hit 314 in 2005. And just incase that isn't clear what I mean, Lenny Harris in 2005 hit 314 as a PH and late game replacement. Had he been, say, our starting 3B, and had Mike Lowell's 500 ABs instead of just 70, he would be much less likely to hit for such a high average. I suggest that if Matt Treanor had 350+ ABs rather than 96, I don't think he would appear to be hitting so well. And niether one of them is going to be a Gold Glove winner, and I don't think you can blame defense there as the root of this team's problems.
August 13, 200718 yr Offensively, I agree that Treanor would not put up those same numbers if starting him everyday, but the fact that he will give you a quality at bat at least a reasonable percentage of the time deserves some credit. Olivo just looks overmatched everytime he is in the box unless he gets a fastball down the middle or a lefty misses with a slider. Overmatched Guy (Olivo) has a higher career OPS than Quality At Bat Guy (Treanor). Overmatched Guy also has the higher career RISP OPS than Quality At Bat Guy.
August 13, 200718 yr Olivo's inability to reach base is sicking. Does that mean Treanor is a full time catcher?? No, but it should mean something. :unsure
August 13, 200718 yr That, and Olivo's problem is against RHP, where he has a career .609 OPS, compared to Treanor's .631. Nearly a full .07 difference between the two in RHP OBP, which is pretty f***ing big. I mean, you can basically say the % of time a player does something good is the % of time he gets on base. In other words, Olivo is doing something good only 23% of his PAs against RHP this year. That's not good. Far far far from good. I don't think it's farfetched for Treanor to put up around a .650-.660 OPS the rest of the way while starting. As sad as it is, that's better then the currently production we're getting.
August 13, 200718 yr Treanor is a better catcher. Treanor handles pitchers better. Treanor works farther into counts and gets on base more often. Treanor is not the answer, unless the question is, "How can the Marlins improve immediately at catcher."
August 13, 200718 yr If Treanor is the best defensive catcher on the team and Willingham is the best offensive catcher on the team why is Olivo even on the roster?
August 13, 200718 yr Offensively, I agree that Treanor would not put up those same numbers if starting him everyday, but the fact that he will give you a quality at bat at least a reasonable percentage of the time deserves some credit. Olivo just looks overmatched everytime he is in the box unless he gets a fastball down the middle or a lefty misses with a slider. Overmatched Guy (Olivo) has a higher career OPS than Quality At Bat Guy (Treanor). Overmatched Guy also has the higher career RISP OPS than Quality At Bat Guy. Career OBP of Treanor though is much higher, which is in actuality much more telling of a quality AB than OPS as a whole. Treanor does get on base more often but overall Olivo is the "better" hitter.
August 13, 200718 yr Willingham shouldn't even be considered a catcher anymore. I still can't bring myself to consider him a LFer.
August 13, 200718 yr Can someone explain why Treanor is better at handling pitchers? I admit that Tommy and Rich going gaga over Treanor talking to the pitcher in the dugout between innings didn't convince me.
August 13, 200718 yr Willingham shouldn't even be considered a catcher anymore. I still can't bring myself to consider him a LFer. He does a okay job in LF.
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