April 20, 200818 yr Neither Rabelo or Treanor are desirable options at catcher. Both are not great hitters and they are okay defensively. And beyond that, I don't think either of them are very good at calling a game. I think if the Marlins were to solidify their catching position with a bonified starting catcher, it would improve the defense, the pitching, and the hitting all in one. But great catchers are hard to find and few teams have one.
April 20, 200818 yr I have no idea why he is getting the majority of the starts right now other than maybe getting him back into playing shape and seeing what he can actually do behind the plate. We never did get a good look at him in ST. He came advertised as a very geed defensive catcher, needing work on his bat. I can see him catching the majority of the guys that came in that trade and having Matt catch the guys that were here last year after things settle down a bit. Matt catches today because it is an unwritten rule, change catchers on a day game after a night game. Neither one will ever win the Gold Glove or Silver Slugger. They are acceptable back there, nothing more. And there are plenty worse. Most teams have a huge downgrade from their starter to their back up, with their back up being less than acceptable. We don't. Neither are super stars, just acceptable. And no one in the minors is ready to make the leap, despite how many here have a love affair with Baker.
April 20, 200818 yr I have no idea why he is getting the majority of the starts right now other than maybe getting him back into playing shape... :thumbup Bingo. The same reason Dallas McPherson is playing five days +/- a week, up from three when the season started. Rabelo missed an awful lot of time in late spring tranging and into the season.
April 20, 200818 yr A GM's primary goal is to assemble the best team within the organization's means ... Not including Billy Beane is almost heretical... for having a weak payroll he consistently fielded first and second place teams that made it to the playoffs... Once you get there "winning it all" really is a crap shoot... it comes down to whoever's hottest/luckiest down the stretch... Look at his recent trades, what he got for Mark Mulder was amazing ... Dan Haren, Kiko Calero and Daric Barton, all of whom contributed to the team or are contributing to the team... and once they felt Haren reached his peak value, spun him off for 6 more prospects... following that causality... he trades Mark Mulder for 6 good players. So, if you look at the criteria for a good GM (winning games, good players) Beane scores high in both. As high as anyone in baseball. And... you'll include Theo Epstein, who's basically a protege of Beane's?
April 20, 200818 yr The only dumb move by Beinfest was the Derrek Lee trade, when we got Hee Seop Choi. Aside from that, he's been pretty much flawless in trades. ...imagine if he had a decent payroll to work with, consistently. :blink: Really? Jorge Julio for Yusmeiro Petit? :blink:
April 20, 200818 yr The only dumb move by Beinfest was the Derrek Lee trade, when we got Hee Seop Choi. Aside from that, he's been pretty much flawless in trades. ...imagine if he had a decent payroll to work with, consistently. :blink: Really? Jorge Julio for Yusmeiro Petit? :blink: WRONG!! It's Nobody for BK Kim for Jorge Julio for Yusmeiro Petit.
April 20, 200818 yr The only dumb move by Beinfest was the Derrek Lee trade, when we got Hee Seop Choi. Aside from that, he's been pretty much flawless in trades. ...imagine if he had a decent payroll to work with, consistently. :blink: Really? Jorge Julio for Yusmeiro Petit? :blink: WRONG!! It's Nobody for BK Kim for Jorge Julio for Yusmeiro Petit. Touche :|
April 20, 200818 yr And he's not the best GM in the league. Who is in your mind, then? I'm no penguino, and my opinion doesn't matter, but in no order: Billy Beane Dave Dombrowski Theo Epstein John Schuerholz (yea and Beinfest isn't really our GM either...so don't say it.) Brian Cashman Omar Minaya Kevin Towers That's a disgrace. You should be ashamed for typing those names.
April 20, 200818 yr Why, if I'm not mistaken, didn't Cashman build up a farm system that at one point had Jeter/Pettite/Posada/Rivera? Did he not help win 3 straight WSs?
April 20, 200818 yr and...why does that lead to the conclusion that he's better than Admin? Because he has a better eye for young talent. Just because he has a high payroll to work with doesn't mean he doesn't know talent.
April 20, 200818 yr and...why does that lead to the conclusion that he's better than Admin? Because he has a better eye for young talent. Just because he has a high payroll to work with doesn't mean he doesn't know talent. i'll take fleming's and jennings' eye for talent, maybe with a sprinkle of al avila's (with detroit), and beinfest's decision making over cashman or minaya any time.
April 20, 200818 yr Beinfest's decision making? Give examples of this. i mean, every decision he's made since he started in 2002, except for the disaster fiasco that you have chosen as your sig.
April 20, 200818 yr He motivated the team managers to stick with Abercrombie and Olivo. Not only did he bring back Olivo but he handed him a sum of money so questionable he probably should have taken him to arbitration. He could have gotten much better talent for Derrek Lee, even if the trade was a salary dump. The only trade after the firesale I would consider the be a success would be the Boston trade and perhaps to a lesser extent the Chicago trade. We practically got nothing back for Luis Castillo. I've got confidence in Maybin/Miller but I would still argue that the jury is still out on that trade as well.
April 20, 200818 yr Why the idol worship for Beinfest, he's a good GM, but he's as fallible as any other GM in the game and he's probably a top 5-10 GM... but seriously... don't put him above people that deserve proper credit
April 20, 200818 yr My memory is telling me that hanley2 might have been the person who made up some encounter with Beinfest last season so he clearly loves the guy.
April 20, 200818 yr He motivated the team managers to stick with Abercrombie and Olivo. Not only did he bring back Olivo but he handed him a sum of money so questionable he probably should have taken him to arbitration. He could have gotten much better talent for Derrek Lee, even if the trade was a salary dump. The only trade after the firesale I would consider the be a success would be the Boston trade and perhaps to a lesser extent the Chicago trade. We practically got nothing back for Luis Castillo. I've got confidence in Maybin/Miller but I would still argue that the jury is still out on that trade as well. ok, you're right, but overall, with the resources available, you have to say beinfest has done a pretty excellent job in his time here. how about the juan pierre trade to col? signing pudge?
April 20, 200818 yr Why the idol worship for Beinfest, he's a good GM, but he's as fallible as any other GM in the game and he's probably a top 5-10 GM... but seriously... don't put him above people that deserve proper credit how can you say beinfest doesn't deserve proper credit?
April 20, 200818 yr My memory is telling me that hanley2 might have been the person who made up some encounter with Beinfest last season so he clearly loves the guy. that is correct, except that i didn't make it up. it is still the greatest moment of my time on earth.
April 20, 200818 yr My memory is telling me that hanley2 might have been the person who made up some encounter with Beinfest last season so he clearly loves the guy. that is correct, except that i didn't make it up. it is still the greatest moment of my time on earth. I LOLed and I don't even know the story. What happened?
April 20, 200818 yr Why the idol worship for Beinfest, he's a good GM, but he's as fallible as any other GM in the game and he's probably a top 5-10 GM... but seriously... don't put him above people that deserve proper credit how can you say beinfest doesn't deserve proper credit? Ok, you're just not reading comprehensively... There are GMs that deserve MORE credit than Admin Beinfest because they are better at General Managerialship than Admin Beinfest in terms of General Managing a team of baseball playing baseball players... Admin Beinfest IS NOT the best GM in the game... He is a very good GM, he IS NOT in the top 5... HE IS in the top 10... He makes just as many mistakes as he does glory signings or trades...
April 20, 200818 yr All I remember is that it involves Beinfest and a "salmon colored shirt" (his words).
April 20, 200818 yr Why the idol worship for Beinfest, he's a good GM, but he's as fallible as any other GM in the game and he's probably a top 5-10 GM... but seriously... don't put him above people that deserve proper credit proper credit? The guy has less than a 20 million dollar payroll to work with, this year because owner, Jeffrey Loria isn't willing to spend money, until the stadium deal is done. What are you talking about? The fact that this team actually goes out and makes games close (much less win), is an accomplishment, to begin with. The payroll is a joke, yet Beinfest has put a team together, that is at least competitive in games. The FEW times he had a solid payroll to work with, included 2003...the Marlins won the World Series that year.
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