5/4 Post Game Thread!

[AdrianneLove]

I heard it was a good game by Miller.

 

Best outing yet from him..

 

DISCUSS!

[Rabbethan]

Good stuff, all around.

 

I'm loving this new lineup. Not sure about Cody in the 1 spot, but the rest is golden. Danny had a day.

 

Miller looked great. 6IP, 4H, 2ER, 4K, 2BB, 88--55 pitches-strikes.

 

Miller is finally looking like the pitcher he should be.

[Hammerhead]

Good stuff, all around.

 

I'm loving this new lineup. Not sure about Cody in the 1 spot, but the rest is golden. Danny had a day.

 

Miller looked great. 6IP, 4H, 2ER, 4K, 2BB, 88--55 pitches-strikes.

 

Miller is finally looking like the pitcher he should be.

Until he puts together a string of good starts, I'm still on the send him down wagon.

[AdrianneLove]

Good stuff, all around.

 

I'm loving this new lineup. Not sure about Cody in the 1 spot, but the rest is golden. Danny had a day.

 

Miller looked great. 6IP, 4H, 2ER, 4K, 2BB, 88--55 pitches-strikes.

 

Miller is finally looking like the pitcher he should be.

Until he puts together a string of good starts, I'm still on the send him down wagon.

 

I guess we have to see what happens when Gardner comes back. If we send down Waechter... then there's your answer.

[Hammerhead]

Good stuff, all around.

 

I'm loving this new lineup. Not sure about Cody in the 1 spot, but the rest is golden. Danny had a day.

 

Miller looked great. 6IP, 4H, 2ER, 4K, 2BB, 88--55 pitches-strikes.

 

Miller is finally looking like the pitcher he should be.

Until he puts together a string of good starts, I'm still on the send him down wagon.

 

I guess we have to see what happens when Gardner comes back. If we send down Waechter... then there's your answer.

Waechter has done everything right. If Miller has to stay, I'd rather see Badenhop go down and Waechter take his spot in the rotation. But it's one start. I'm not sold yet.

[AdrianneLove]

Good stuff, all around.

 

I'm loving this new lineup. Not sure about Cody in the 1 spot, but the rest is golden. Danny had a day.

 

Miller looked great. 6IP, 4H, 2ER, 4K, 2BB, 88--55 pitches-strikes.

 

Miller is finally looking like the pitcher he should be.

Until he puts together a string of good starts, I'm still on the send him down wagon.

 

I guess we have to see what happens when Gardner comes back. If we send down Waechter... then there's your answer.

Waechter has done everything right. If Miller has to stay, I'd rather see Badenhop go down and Waechter take his spot in the rotation. But it's one start. I'm not sold yet.

 

I agree that's it just one start. It's not going to define him as a great pitcher but it proves that if he can settle down and concentrate, then he does have the ability to be become one.

 

Now Waechter has done great for us as a long relief pitcher, I've also agreed that he should be part of our rotation but then again Fredi isn't going to come onto this board and read what we have to say. It's his team. But yes.. if he is sent down when Lee comes back up and we still one of the two then what can we do? Petition to have him stay?

[Eddie Altamonte]

Nice outing for Andrew I have said all along he just need innings to settle down. Too many in this forum lack the patience that is required for most young pitchers. He will still have a bad outing here and there but they will become much less frequent in the very near future. Uggla is in the zone! When he is hot is just scary. Jake is the player that we all thought he was when we acquired him from the Mets. He is showing major power. Hermida will be a model of consistency at the plate He is soooo good that we forget to notice

[Hammerhead]

Good stuff, all around.

 

I'm loving this new lineup. Not sure about Cody in the 1 spot, but the rest is golden. Danny had a day.

 

Miller looked great. 6IP, 4H, 2ER, 4K, 2BB, 88--55 pitches-strikes.

 

Miller is finally looking like the pitcher he should be.

Until he puts together a string of good starts, I'm still on the send him down wagon.

 

I guess we have to see what happens when Gardner comes back. If we send down Waechter... then there's your answer.

Waechter has done everything right. If Miller has to stay, I'd rather see Badenhop go down and Waechter take his spot in the rotation. But it's one start. I'm not sold yet.

 

I agree that's it just one start. It's not going to define him as a great pitcher but it proves that if he can settle down and concentrate, then he does have the ability to be become one.

One start against the worst offensive team in baseball too.

[Hotcorner]

Benched you're a glass half empty kinda guy aren't you.

[Fish4Life]

We finally get to see Uggla bat in the right # in the order...

[Hammerhead]

Benched you're a glass half empty kinda guy aren't you.

Just not easily convinced. :mischief

[EricWiener]

Benched you're a glass half empty kinda guy aren't you.

 

An optimist will tell you I just can't get any better than this!

A pessimist is afraid that the optimist is correct.

 

I think Miller has only really had 3 bad starts. Now, 2 of those bad starts were appalling, but still...

[Schnellders]

another positive is that miller's next start is against the nationals which gives him a reasonably good chance of building on todays performance, winning again, and provide a huge boost to his confidence.

 

good to see the boys winning this series after the dismal showing against the dodgers

 

top marks go to freddie for wot seems to be a masterclass in regards to changing the batting order

 

only thing is cody just aint a leadoff guy, however well done to him for perservering after several hitess ABs to provide some runs later on in the game today

 

now lets get fired into these brewers!!!

[Hotcorner]

Benched you're a glass half empty kinda guy aren't you.

 

An optimist will tell you I just can't get any better than this!

A pessimist is afraid that the optimist is correct.

 

What kind of optimist says you can't get better?

 

 

 

 

Awesome game & good step for Miller. This division's looking really tough, if we didn't already know it. Only 1 team with a losing record and even they've won 8 of 10.

[30plus]

I know you don't fix something that isn't broke, and Uggla is on fire in the 6 hole, but the only change I would make is swapping Cantu with Uggla so he's in the meat of the order and has more opportunities to drive in runs.

 

As far as Amezega and Cody leading off, we have no choice because they are the best options right now. Bringing Hanley down into the 3 hole brought balance to the lineup and really strengthened the bottom of the order. If we have to deal with a sub .310 OBP coming from the leadoff spot in order to improve the production of the rest of the lineup, then so be it. Not to mention that with the return of Willingham, assuming Fredi sticks with Hanley in the 3 hole, Cantu/Uggla become your number 7 hitter which means even better production out of the bottom of the order.

[EricWiener]

Benched you're a glass half empty kinda guy aren't you.

 

An optimist will tell you I just can't get any better than this!

A pessimist is afraid that the optimist is correct.

 

What kind of optimist says you can't get better?

 

 

 

 

Awesome game & good step for Miller. This division's looking really tough, if we didn't already know it. Only 1 team with a losing record and even they've won 8 of 10.

 

Say "It can't get any better than this!" with enthusiasm, and I think you'd see what I was getting at. The joke works better when told rather than read.

[Tee Ball Bunt Machine]

I know you don't fix something that isn't broke, and Uggla is on fire in the 6 hole, but the only change I would make is swapping Cantu with Uggla so he's in the meat of the order and has more opportunities to drive in runs.

 

As far as Amezega and Cody leading off, we have no choice because they are the best options right now. Bringing Hanley down into the 3 hole brought balance to the lineup and really strengthened the bottom of the order. If we have to deal with a sub .310 OBP coming from the leadoff spot in order to improve the production of the rest of the lineup, then so be it. Not to mention that with the return of Willingham, assuming Fredi sticks with Hanley in the 3 hole, Cantu/Uggla become your number 7 hitter which means even better production out of the bottom of the order.

I don't think Hanley has hit as well #3 and obviously no one else can be close to as good a leadoff hitter. I HOPE that when Hammer comes back they put him #3 and Hanley #1 (keep Hermida #2, Jake #4, and flip-flop Cantu & Uggla #5 & #6 however you like). I'm not saying I expect it to happen, but I think it would make sense and hope they do it.

[30plus]

I know you don't fix something that isn't broke, and Uggla is on fire in the 6 hole, but the only change I would make is swapping Cantu with Uggla so he's in the meat of the order and has more opportunities to drive in runs.

 

As far as Amezega and Cody leading off, we have no choice because they are the best options right now. Bringing Hanley down into the 3 hole brought balance to the lineup and really strengthened the bottom of the order. If we have to deal with a sub .310 OBP coming from the leadoff spot in order to improve the production of the rest of the lineup, then so be it. Not to mention that with the return of Willingham, assuming Fredi sticks with Hanley in the 3 hole, Cantu/Uggla become your number 7 hitter which means even better production out of the bottom of the order.

I don't think Hanley has hit as well #3 and obviously no one else can be close to as good a leadoff hitter. I HOPE that when Hammer comes back they put him #3 and Hanley #1 (keep Hermida #2, Jake #4, and flip-flop Cantu & Uggla #5 & #6 however you like). I'm not saying I expect it to happen, but I think it would make sense and hope they do it.

 

It's not a question of is Hanley better batting third or first. I'm sure you can pull up some numbers a week from now and say "well Hanley is hitting .280 in the 3 hole compared to .320 from the leadoff spot". Yet 1 month from now those numbers will probably even out. He doesn't suddenly become a worse hitter batting third, he just needs to make some adjustments.

 

I'm not in Hanley's head so I don't know if it's a mental thing where he is trying to do too much by thinking now he has to hit for more power and production. You know Hanley is going to end up there eventually anyway once Maybin earns himself a starting job and takes over the leadoff role. Hanley has way to much power and RBI potential to stay there much longer. Plus remember we haven't even seen enough of him in the 3 spot to make a judgement on what he's doing down there so I'm not sure what you have to support your claim that he isn't as good in the 3 hole.

 

Hanley will start to hit from wherever you put him, regardless if it takes him 2 days or 2 weeks to find his comfort zone. The value in batting him third is based on what happenes to the rest of the lineup as a result, not the initial shift in his numbers. The bottom of the order will benefit greatly from the move with Gonzo and Rabelo down there. The middle of the order gets Uggla and recieves a huge power boost. It is narrow minded to just evaluate this move based on Hanley himself and the assumption that he will struggle at first. He is too good of a hitter to not produce from the 3 hole, it just might take some time.

[Erick]

1. De Aza

2. Hermida

3. Hanley

4. Hammer

5. Jacobs

6. Uggla

7. Cantu

8. Rabelo / Treanor

 

...I'd like to see that lineup, when everyone's healthy.

 

As for the:

 

Positives

1. Taking a series from the Padres (struggling, but they were supposed to contend for the playoffs), after getting swept by a hot Dodger team is a +.

2. Miller gave us a quality start.

3. The lineup didn't let the HOF'er get #350 today.

4. Reynel Pinto threw 2 more scoreless innings, to get his 6th hold of the season, and his ERA is now in the .8 area. He also had 3 K's in the 2 innings, and only allowed 1 hit.

5. Even though Miller allowed a run in the 9th, he needed to get some work, b/c he hadn't pitched in days.

6. Cody Ross got a big hit...good for him; he needed that.

 

Negatives

I personally couldn't find 1, today.

[Erick]

post='1617862' date='May 4 2008, 6:06 PM']

 

You know Hanley is going to end up there eventually anyway once Maybin earns himself a starting job and takes over the leadoff role.

 

 

I wouldn't say that...if anything, Maybin is probably better suited hitting 3rd, himself. He has power...he, like Hanley, has 30-40 potential (Maybin).

 

And unlike Hanley, Maybin DOES K a lot. Seriously, he K's at a worse rate than Uggla...in the minor leagues.

 

He (Maybin) isn't your ideal leadoff hitter.

[The Marlin Man]

De Aza is a ghost.

 

Just mentioning him makes this thread spooky.

[Y08Marlin]

I know you don't fix something that isn't broke, and Uggla is on fire in the 6 hole, but the only change I would make is swapping Cantu with Uggla so he's in the meat of the order and has more opportunities to drive in runs.

 

As far as Amezega and Cody leading off, we have no choice because they are the best options right now. Bringing Hanley down into the 3 hole brought balance to the lineup and really strengthened the bottom of the order. If we have to deal with a sub .310 OBP coming from the leadoff spot in order to improve the production of the rest of the lineup, then so be it. Not to mention that with the return of Willingham, assuming Fredi sticks with Hanley in the 3 hole, Cantu/Uggla become your number 7 hitter which means even better production out of the bottom of the order.

I don't think Hanley has hit as well #3 and obviously no one else can be close to as good a leadoff hitter. I HOPE that when Hammer comes back they put him #3 and Hanley #1 (keep Hermida #2, Jake #4, and flip-flop Cantu & Uggla #5 & #6 however you like). I'm not saying I expect it to happen, but I think it would make sense and hope they do it.

 

I don't know, Hanley was in a bit of a slump before he moved to the 3 hole. I think he probably came out of it today. Judging his performance there from three games is dubious.

[Admin]

How is De Aza an ideal lead off hitter? He walked an okay amount in high A, but not much in AA and hardly at all at the ML level (6 walks total over 150 PA). That leaves much to be desired, to say the least.

 

Strikeouts don't hurt a lead off hitter if he can still find ways to get on base.

[LordMagnus]

Lead off man is tricky. It depends what you look for in that spot. While at lead off, Hanley is more like an Alfonso Soriano type (in his younger years). Great speed and power combination, so its tempting to move him down in the order as well. The only other guy I could see batting lead off is Hermida because he has the ability to get on base at a high rate (though he seems to get on base in bunches, rather than on a consistent basis). Ross definitely doesn't belong there, however. And I think Alfredo could probably handle it decently, but he's in a giant slump right now.

[Hammerhead]

Awesome game & good step for Miller. This division's looking really tough, if we didn't already know it. Only 1 team with a losing record and even they've won 8 of 10.

It was cool seeing him get the better of a future Hall of Famer but if he doesn't have a similar game his next time out against Washington, who are only hitting .239, he's gotta go.