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His first year up he had an above average year and a no hitter. You couldn't expect him to be great last year, he was coming off an injury. Why all the negativity towards Anibal? He's proven more than Miller.

B/c he hasn't been the same since the torn labrum...plus, his stuff was never that great either. Miller's is.

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I think you have to give him this year before we can count him out. A pitcher doesn't necessarily have to have "great" stuff, he just needs to know how to pitch. He was great at first ball strikes. Miller and him have pitch location problems but Miller has been worse.

I'm quietly confident he has a good year, however it wouldnt be a shock to me if he struggled and had a high ERA

I did read somewhere that he has regained a lot of arm strength now

Only time will tell....

Before the injury he had a tremendous upside, since the comeback last season he looked shaky. He needs to build up arm strength and might need to pitch out of the pen to do so. I also feel he's getting lumped in with other rookie pitchers that have thrown no-hitters and little success after that, this season should be able to prove either way if he was just a flash in the pan.

His arm isnt going to get any stronger. Hes not the type of pitcher who blows guys away and never was. He relies on the movment of his pitches and spots. The reason he never got deep into games is because he couldent hit his spots and walked guys and got ripped when he fell behind guys espcially lefties.

for those of you who think you know everything and say he never had great stuff.....he had 5 pitches and threw them all for strikes in 2006 and if any of you remember in the 9th inning of the no hitter he blew by eric byrnes I beleive at 95 mph... he may have lost some of it but he had very good stuff.

the reason people are so down on him is because they are greatly seduced by small sample sizes. Not just with Anibal.

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It's a command issue with him more than anything. I think people are forgetting how well he pitched in 06

His 2006 wasn't even as good as it seemed.

His 2006 wasn't even as good as it seemed.

 

Yeh cos 10-3 in 18 games (17 starts) with a 2.83 ERA in a rookie season is like so average.....

 

Come on give the guy a break - thats fantastic for a rookie

His 2006 wasn't even as good as it seemed.

 

You can say that he was lucky but to say it wasn't good is preposterous.

 

Did he have good peripherals? No. But that's something to predict with. Not something to justify performance with. And those stats do shine.

 

Now, was he overrated after 2006? Yes. This was a case of being seduced by small sample size like I mentioned earlier.

 

But fact remains he put up a 2.83 ERA/1.19 WHIP in 2006. That can not be taken away. His 2006 was very good.

 

And his peripherals are also why his 2009 look good. He K'd guys just like he did in the minors. Considering his extremely high minor league K rates, it's not improbable for him to continue his nearly 9 per K rate. His control being off should be expected after surgery. It also led to giving up more HRs then he normally does. 14% HR/FLY last year, over twice as much as should be expected. When he shakes off the rust and comes back to form, his HR/FLY is going to drop back down to the sub-7% rate. You're also looking at a .320 BABIP...again, a higher BABIP should be expected due to rust ergo throwing more hittable balls but again that'll normalize.

Well, I suppose that what I meant was that he was helped a lot by a significant amount of luck. It was good, but lucky, and unsustainable.

He was great in 06. I'm more down on him mostly cause his surgery isn't as sucessfull as tj usually is. Also from what I read he didn't even do well in the winter league he was in.

I don't get why everyone keeps on using his 2006 numbers. He had to receive major surgery, and last season, he didn't put up anywhere near the numbers he put up three years ago.

 

He would be better suited in a trade for a young catcher.

He had shoulder surgery not Tommy John.

Before the injury he had a tremendous upside, since the comeback last season he looked shaky. He needs to build up arm strength and might need to pitch out of the pen to do so. I also feel he's getting lumped in with other rookie pitchers that have thrown no-hitters and little success after that, this season should be able to prove either way if he was just a flash in the pan.

 

Arm strength isn't the issue with Anibal. If anything, he was throwing harder since his return last year than he was back in 2006. The problem is Anibal is a finesse guy, and when he was lacking control with his off speed pitches last year, he was forced to rely on that fastball.

He had shoulder surgery not Tommy John.

 

 

I know, Im saying that shoulder surgery isnt as sucessfull as TJ usually is.

Well, I suppose that what I meant was that he was helped a lot by a significant amount of luck. It was good, but lucky, and unsustainable.

 

 

Sure, it was a good stretch with above-average luck. But he was only 22 - so to say it's something he couldn't replicate just because he had a lucky 2006 isn't fair. It may be difficult to replicate now, obviously, if he can't recover completely from the surgery. But he's still very young, and can certainly improve.

im thinking Anibal could have a pretty nice season...

It was encouraging watching him pitch last night against the Cubs. Imperfect but still encouraging that he was pitching quickly and seemingly without pain with so few innings under his belt. I've started to believe that the Marlins are being protective of him not so much because he's damaged goods as they know how good a pitcher they have on their hands and are prepared to take baby steps with him necessary to make sure he has a strong chance of living up to his potential.

 

He's very much a catch the ball-rub the ball-throw the ball kind of pitcher and anyone who watched the game last night had to notice how unsettling it was for Cubs' batters to not really have time to get set in the batter's box between pitches. It's a real advantage for pitchers who can work quickly and the new major league rules work in his favor.

Given Annibal's age, history, and work ethic, I would not be in the least surprised if he turns in the best season of any Marlins' pitcher. And that's not take anything away from the others.

Given Annibal's age, history, and work ethic, I would not be in the least surprised if he turns in the best season of any Marlins' pitcher. And that's not take anything away from the others.

 

It is very unlikely we have somebody that surpasses Kevin Brown's 1996. It was one of the best seasons of all time, 20th if you go by ERA+ which does a very good job of being able to compare players in different eras.

Given Annibal's age, history, and work ethic, I would not be in the least surprised if he turns in the best season of any Marlins' pitcher. And that's not take anything away from the others.

 

It is very unlikely we have somebody that surpasses Kevin Brown's 1996. It was one of the best seasons of all time, 20th if you go by ERA+ which does a very good job of being able to compare players in different eras.

Highway robbery that year in Cy Young voting.

What's even worse is he might get a HOF snub because of his relationship with the media.

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