March 11, 200917 yr Average-at-best? In 2007 he was ranked 6th using Fielding Bible's plus/minus in centerfield. I would give a 2008 stat but he didn't have enough playing time, but if he had he would have ranked 8th. You have no idea what you're talking about. Right, and we all know that fielding statistics do a fantastic job measuring the abilities of defensive players. Bad routes + average arm great outfielder.
March 11, 200917 yr Average-at-best? In 2007 he was ranked 6th using Fielding Bible's plus/minus in centerfield. I would give a 2008 stat but he didn't have enough playing time, but if he had he would have ranked 8th. You have no idea what you're talking about. Right, and we all know that fielding statistics do a fantastic job measuring the abilities of defensive players. Bad routes + average arm great outfielder. Um, I'd take Fielding Stats, which are Facts, over your opinion any day.
March 11, 200917 yr Average-at-best? In 2007 he was ranked 6th using Fielding Bible's plus/minus in centerfield. I would give a 2008 stat but he didn't have enough playing time, but if he had he would have ranked 8th. You have no idea what you're talking about. Right, and we all know that fielding statistics do a fantastic job measuring the abilities of defensive players. Bad routes + average arm great outfielder. He doesn't take the best routes, I agree, but he usually takes routes that get him to the ball (sometimes in unnecessarily spectacular fashion). And yes, fielding stats aren't the best, but when the best fielding stats all say one thing, that he's above average, as say RZR, OOZ, +/-, UZR, ZR, RF, and just about everything, I have trouble ignoring it. Plus, he has an above average arm, as anyone who watches him throw a ball can tell you that.
March 12, 200917 yr Average-at-best? In 2007 he was ranked 6th using Fielding Bible's plus/minus in centerfield. I would give a 2008 stat but he didn't have enough playing time, but if he had he would have ranked 8th. You have no idea what you're talking about. Right, and we all know that fielding statistics do a fantastic job measuring the abilities of defensive players. Bad routes + average arm great outfielder. He doesn't take the best routes, I agree, but he usually takes routes that get him to the ball (sometimes in unnecessarily spectacular fashion). And yes, fielding stats aren't the best, but when the best fielding stats all say one thing, that he's above average, as say RZR, OOZ, +/-, UZR, ZR, RF, and just about everything, I have trouble ignoring it. Plus, he has an above average arm, as anyone who watches him throw a ball can tell you that. My only beef with Amezaga is that his unnecessarily spectacular catches cause some to rate him as a better defensive CFer than some that can actually get to the ball. Both Ross and Abercrombie were a lot better to me. But Fredo did the job as well and he makes a good 25th man.
March 12, 200917 yr Average-at-best? In 2007 he was ranked 6th using Fielding Bible's plus/minus in centerfield. I would give a 2008 stat but he didn't have enough playing time, but if he had he would have ranked 8th. You have no idea what you're talking about. Right, and we all know that fielding statistics do a fantastic job measuring the abilities of defensive players. Bad routes + average arm great outfielder. Um, I'd take Fielding Stats, which are Facts, over your opinion any day. The importance of those stats is your opinion. Nice capitalization, by the way.
March 12, 200917 yr Average-at-best? In 2007 he was ranked 6th using Fielding Bible's plus/minus in centerfield. I would give a 2008 stat but he didn't have enough playing time, but if he had he would have ranked 8th. You have no idea what you're talking about. Right, and we all know that fielding statistics do a fantastic job measuring the abilities of defensive players. Bad routes + average arm great outfielder. He doesn't take the best routes, I agree, but he usually takes routes that get him to the ball (sometimes in unnecessarily spectacular fashion). And yes, fielding stats aren't the best, but when the best fielding stats all say one thing, that he's above average, as say RZR, OOZ, +/-, UZR, ZR, RF, and just about everything, I have trouble ignoring it. Plus, he has an above average arm, as anyone who watches him throw a ball can tell you that. My only beef with Amezaga is that his unnecessarily spectacular catches cause some to rate him as a better defensive CFer than some that can actually get to the ball. Both Ross and Abercrombie were a lot better to me. But Fredo did the job as well and he makes a good 25th man. My beef with that argument is that his overly spectacular catches blind some people to the fact that he actually is one of the better defensive CF. Amezaga is a strange fielder, where he tends to take the hardest possible routes while still making it to balls that most other guys can't make it to. This not only comes through if you sit in CF (as I do quite a bit) and watch the ground he covers, but it also comes through in just about every defensive metric there is. If a ball is 50 feet away, he'll take a harder route than if the ball is 60 feet away. It's very strange but it's how he works, but he does manage to get to balls that most CF would have to get behind and play off a hop.
March 12, 200917 yr Average-at-best? In 2007 he was ranked 6th using Fielding Bible's plus/minus in centerfield. I would give a 2008 stat but he didn't have enough playing time, but if he had he would have ranked 8th. You have no idea what you're talking about. Right, and we all know that fielding statistics do a fantastic job measuring the abilities of defensive players. Bad routes + average arm great outfielder. He doesn't take the best routes, I agree, but he usually takes routes that get him to the ball (sometimes in unnecessarily spectacular fashion). And yes, fielding stats aren't the best, but when the best fielding stats all say one thing, that he's above average, as say RZR, OOZ, +/-, UZR, ZR, RF, and just about everything, I have trouble ignoring it. Plus, he has an above average arm, as anyone who watches him throw a ball can tell you that. My only beef with Amezaga is that his unnecessarily spectacular catches cause some to rate him as a better defensive CFer than some that can actually get to the ball. Both Ross and Abercrombie were a lot better to me. But Fredo did the job as well and he makes a good 25th man. My beef with that argument is that his overly spectacular catches blind some people to the fact that he actually is one of the better defensive CF. Amezaga is a strange fielder, where he tends to take the hardest possible routes while still making it to balls that most other guys can't make it to. This not only comes through if you sit in CF (as I do quite a bit) and watch the ground he covers, but it also comes through in just about every defensive metric there is. If a ball is 50 feet away, he'll take a harder route than if the ball is 60 feet away. It's very strange but it's how he works, but he does manage to get to balls that most CF would have to get behind and play off a hop. My vantage point is often times the upper deck which does allow a pretty good observation of CF as well. I'm not disputing your claims at all, but I did notice quite a few times that Ross and Abercrombie got to balls a lot easier, making their play look less difficult even though they were making fantastic reads at all. It's obvious to both of us that great reads aren't Amezaga's strength and I do love his ability to play the ball once he gets near it. His same ability to play the ball works fantastic in the IF and I really wish Hanley had an ounce of that.
March 12, 200917 yr My only beef with Amezaga is that his unnecessarily spectacular catches cause some to rate him as a better defensive CFer than some that can actually get to the ball. Both Ross and Abercrombie were a lot better to me. :thumbdown No excuses for bringing him up. He's horrible in every way, shape, and form.
March 12, 200917 yr Average-at-best? In 2007 he was ranked 6th using Fielding Bible's plus/minus in centerfield. I would give a 2008 stat but he didn't have enough playing time, but if he had he would have ranked 8th. You have no idea what you're talking about. Right, and we all know that fielding statistics do a fantastic job measuring the abilities of defensive players. Bad routes + average arm great outfielder. Um, I'd take Fielding Stats, which are Facts, over your opinion any day. The importance of those stats is your opinion. Nice capitalization, by the way. Stats are facts. What you think is an opinion. The stats show that Amezaga is a good defensive player, therefor he is a good defensive player.
March 12, 200917 yr Average-at-best? In 2007 he was ranked 6th using Fielding Bible's plus/minus in centerfield. I would give a 2008 stat but he didn't have enough playing time, but if he had he would have ranked 8th. You have no idea what you're talking about. Right, and we all know that fielding statistics do a fantastic job measuring the abilities of defensive players. Bad routes + average arm great outfielder. Um, I'd take Fielding Stats, which are Facts, over your opinion any day. The importance of those stats is your opinion. Nice capitalization, by the way. Stats are facts. What you think is an opinion. The stats show that Amezaga is a good defensive player, therefor he is a good defensive player. Importance and interpretation of stats is opinion.
March 12, 200917 yr My only beef with Amezaga is that his unnecessarily spectacular catches cause some to rate him as a better defensive CFer than some that can actually get to the ball. Both Ross and Abercrombie were a lot better to me. :thumbdown No excuses for bringing him up. He's horrible in every way, shape, and form. Other than the time he reached the pinnacle of his career at the G.A.B. with a monster shot.
March 12, 200917 yr The fact that we're debating Amezaga's defensive skills in CF is a testament to how useful a player he is. The guy is a middle infielder primarily, and we're tlaking about his CF defense. Andino and Bonifacio at this time, do not compare to Amezaga in terms of defensive versatility. That's why his injury hurts the team.
March 12, 200917 yr [ Average-at-best? In 2007 he was ranked 6th using Fielding Bible's plus/minus in centerfield. I would give a 2008 stat but he didn't have enough playing time, but if he had he would have ranked 8th. You have no idea what you're talking about. Rabb, I respect your opinion, but the second line (paragraph?) of this post is really the type of immature and unnecessary comments that generally cause problems on forums such as this one, as evidenced by the bickering match that followed it.
March 12, 200917 yr [ Average-at-best? In 2007 he was ranked 6th using Fielding Bible's plus/minus in centerfield. I would give a 2008 stat but he didn't have enough playing time, but if he had he would have ranked 8th. You have no idea what you're talking about. Rabb, I respect your opinion, but the second line (paragraph?) of this post is really the type of immature and unnecessary comments that generally cause problems on forums such as this one, as evidenced by the bickering match that followed it. The thing is that he doesn't. That wasn't bickering. That wasn't an insult. He really shows the least possible amount of knowledge when it comes to Amezaga, his place on the team, or what he brings to the table and doesn't seem to care to figure it out. He's made his opinion based on what I can only guess is his eyes and doesn't care to debate it.
March 12, 200917 yr My vantage point is often times the upper deck which does allow a pretty good observation of CF as well. I'm not disputing your claims at all, but I did notice quite a few times that Ross and Abercrombie got to balls a lot easier, making their play look less difficult even though they were making fantastic reads at all. It's obvious to both of us that great reads aren't Amezaga's strength and I do love his ability to play the ball once he gets near it. His same ability to play the ball works fantastic in the IF and I really wish Hanley had an ounce of that. I'm sorry but Abercrombie took some HORRIFIC routes. Just plain terrible. He'd routinely run past balls, putting his momentum in the wrong direction, which hurt in many ways. As I'm sure you know, sometimes the fastest route isn't the best one when there are men on base. As far as Cody, I completely agree. Cody might be one of the best route runners in baseball. He definitely has an easier time getting to some balls, but I'm not sure if he gets to more.
March 13, 200917 yr My vantage point is often times the upper deck which does allow a pretty good observation of CF as well. I'm not disputing your claims at all, but I did notice quite a few times that Ross and Abercrombie got to balls a lot easier, making their play look less difficult even though they were making fantastic reads at all. It's obvious to both of us that great reads aren't Amezaga's strength and I do love his ability to play the ball once he gets near it. His same ability to play the ball works fantastic in the IF and I really wish Hanley had an ounce of that. I'm sorry but Abercrombie took some HORRIFIC routes. Just plain terrible. He'd routinely run past balls, putting his momentum in the wrong direction, which hurt in many ways. As I'm sure you know, sometimes the fastest route isn't the best one when there are men on base. As far as Cody, I completely agree. Cody might be one of the best route runners in baseball. He definitely has an easier time getting to some balls, but I'm not sure if he gets to more. I was pulling for Abercrombie to make the team simply because he was about the only viable option at that time. But you are right about his routes, add in he couldn't hit at this level. Maybin looked the same way last ST. Very bad routes and lost at the plate. It was evident early in ST last year that this guy wasn't ready, and I said so then. That was going from eyeballing him during games. But when he came back up he looked completely different, except for his running style. He went down, learned, and changed alot of things about his game, while Abercrombie never did and most likely never will. It's a shame because the potential is there. I only bring up the comparison because it is something you and I apparently disagree on quite often. Sometimes you can't go by the numbers, actually watching how guys act, react, and play the game is far more telling.
March 13, 200917 yr I'm reading that both Bonafacio and Andino could make the roster due to Amezaga's injury. Ouch. I don't want to see either of those names on the major league roster this season.
March 15, 200917 yr My vantage point is often times the upper deck which does allow a pretty good observation of CF as well. I'm not disputing your claims at all, but I did notice quite a few times that Ross and Abercrombie got to balls a lot easier, making their play look less difficult even though they were making fantastic reads at all. It's obvious to both of us that great reads aren't Amezaga's strength and I do love his ability to play the ball once he gets near it. His same ability to play the ball works fantastic in the IF and I really wish Hanley had an ounce of that. I'm sorry but Abercrombie took some HORRIFIC routes. Just plain terrible. He'd routinely run past balls, putting his momentum in the wrong direction, which hurt in many ways. As I'm sure you know, sometimes the fastest route isn't the best one when there are men on base. As far as Cody, I completely agree. Cody might be one of the best route runners in baseball. He definitely has an easier time getting to some balls, but I'm not sure if he gets to more. I was pulling for Abercrombie to make the team simply because he was about the only viable option at that time. But you are right about his routes, add in he couldn't hit at this level. Maybin looked the same way last ST. Very bad routes and lost at the plate. It was evident early in ST last year that this guy wasn't ready, and I said so then. That was going from eyeballing him during games. But when he came back up he looked completely different, except for his running style. He went down, learned, and changed alot of things about his game, while Abercrombie never did and most likely never will. It's a shame because the potential is there. I only bring up the comparison because it is something you and I apparently disagree on quite often. Sometimes you can't go by the numbers, actually watching how guys act, react, and play the game is far more telling. Kool Aid was having himself a nice spring with the Astros. He might make the Roster he is a much better defensive player. However those K's drive anyone crazy! In 20 ab he is hitting .450 with 2 doubles and a triple 1.176 OPS He has 5 strikeouts
April 2, 200917 yr BUMP. Alfredo Amezaga (sprained knee) is ahead of schedule in his recovery and took part in infield drills on Wednesday. It appears he'll begin the season on the disabled list, but should be available no later than mid-April. "I don't think it's going to be Opening Day, but it should be shortly thereafter," president of baseball operations Admin Beinfest said. "I think a week to 10 days after Opening Day." Apr. 1 - 7:19 pm et Source: Marlins.mlb.com Rotoworld
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