Finally someone who understands the roster system. Stanton WILL NOT be called up this year. The Marlins are way too shrewd to start the clock on him. To be called up, even for the month of September you have to be on the 40-Man roster. Once there, the clock starts ticking before you become out of options. Maybin will be fine. He's too good of an athlete to continue to struggle at the plate. That's why it is good that the Marlins can let him develop in the eighth spot in the order. His center field play alone is enough to keep him in the lineup.

 

 

I disagree. I think Maybin will be fine but he has to be moved from the 8 spot. He is not seeing anything good to hit, and is being fed a steady dose of breaking balls- precisely what he can't hit at the major league level yet. The tough thing is to figure out where to put him in the lineup. Bonifacio, when laying off the high fastball, is the prototypical leadoff hitter. Maybe Fredi should flip flop them in the 1 and 8 spot more often depending on how they are hitting at the time since it's such a long season.

Finally someone who understands the roster system. Stanton WILL NOT be called up this year. The Marlins are way too shrewd to start the clock on him. To be called up, even for the month of September you have to be on the 40-Man roster. Once there, the clock starts ticking before you become out of options. Maybin will be fine. He's too good of an athlete to continue to struggle at the plate. That's why it is good that the Marlins can let him develop in the eighth spot in the order. His center field play alone is enough to keep him in the lineup.

 

 

I disagree. I think Maybin will be fine but he has to be moved from the 8 spot. He is not seeing anything good to hit, and is being fed a steady dose of breaking balls- precisely what he can't hit at the major league level yet. The tough thing is to figure out where to put him in the lineup. Bonifacio, when laying off the high fastball, is the prototypical leadoff hitter. Maybe Fredi should flip flop them in the 1 and 8 spot more often depending on how they are hitting at the time since it's such a long season.

 

Why is your name HanleySucks?

Finally someone who understands the roster system. Stanton WILL NOT be called up this year. The Marlins are way too shrewd to start the clock on him. To be called up, even for the month of September you have to be on the 40-Man roster. Once there, the clock starts ticking before you become out of options. Maybin will be fine. He's too good of an athlete to continue to struggle at the plate. That's why it is good that the Marlins can let him develop in the eighth spot in the order. His center field play alone is enough to keep him in the lineup.

 

 

I disagree. I think Maybin will be fine but he has to be moved from the 8 spot. He is not seeing anything good to hit, and is being fed a steady dose of breaking balls- precisely what he can't hit at the major league level yet. The tough thing is to figure out where to put him in the lineup. Bonifacio, when laying off the high fastball, is the prototypical leadoff hitter. Maybe Fredi should flip flop them in the 1 and 8 spot more often depending on how they are hitting at the time since it's such a long season.

 

Wrong. Just below league average, which is 59%, and he's seen 56.2%. He's actually seen fewer curveballs and changeups than league average, but he's seen a bunch more sliders, which is apparently the toughest pitch for him.

A slider is a breaking pitch.

A slider is a breaking pitch.

Yeah, I believe he knows that. That is included in the 56%. He was breaking it down by pitch, explaining that a large part of that 56% is a pitch he has a ton of trouble with.

I beleieve uggla sees the least amount of fastball on the team.

A slider is a breaking pitch.

Yeah, I believe he knows that. That is included in the 56%. He was breaking it down by pitch, explaining that a large part of that 56% is a pitch he has a ton of trouble with.

Fair enough, but it was poorly worded.

 

And I reiterate again, Stanton is likely on the same timescale Travis Snider was with the Blue Jays. Be patient, it will be worth the wait.

in 2003 how did cabrera come up so quick wasnt he 20 ? and 19 in april so very young

in 2003 how did cabrera come up so quick wasnt he 20 ? and 19 in april so very young

Yeah, but he's the exception, not the rule. And yeah, he was 19 at one point in 2003 but not when he was up here.

 

It's also worth mentioning he had been in our system full time since he was 17.

 

Still, he is a gigantic except. Not everyone, more like no one, is Miggie.

A slider is a breaking pitch.

Yeah, I believe he knows that. That is included in the 56%. He was breaking it down by pitch, explaining that a large part of that 56% is a pitch he has a ton of trouble with.

Fair enough, but it was poorly worded.

 

And I reiterate again, Stanton is likely on the same timescale Travis Snider was with the Blue Jays. Be patient, it will be worth the wait.

 

I did word that quite poorly. Sorry. He's seeing fastballs 56% of the time. The league average is 59%. So he's seeing a reasonable amount of fastballs. But the league average on sliders is 14%, and he's seeing 21%. Clearly, it's a weakness which opposing pitchers are trying to exploit.

in 2003 how did cabrera come up so quick wasnt he 20 ? and 19 in april so very young

Desperation. And because he is the best position teenager since ARod and Andruw Jones.

 

It's quite a stretch to put Stanton in that category right away, even if he does have immense upside. Leave him in Jupiter - a pitcher's environment - all year. Move him to Jacksonville next year and see how he handles real breaking pitches. I don't think these guys see real breaking stuff until AA for the most part and that's a huge learning curve right there. Even more so for Stanton, who whiffs a lot and sliders may pose a huge problem for him initially. He is at best, a late season call up in September 2010, and if he is absolutely a beast, he may be given a shot at starting in April 2011. But more than likely because of our excellent OF depth with Maybin/Cousins/Petersen/Raynor/Maybe Morrison, it'll be a bit longer.

 

Gaby Sanchez is next. Coghlan, Raynor, and Hayes are other options for 2009. That's pretty much it.

A slider is a breaking pitch.

Yeah, I believe he knows that. That is included in the 56%. He was breaking it down by pitch, explaining that a large part of that 56% is a pitch he has a ton of trouble with.

Fair enough, but it was poorly worded.

 

And I reiterate again, Stanton is likely on the same timescale Travis Snider was with the Blue Jays. Be patient, it will be worth the wait.

 

I did word that quite poorly. Sorry. He's seeing fastballs 56% of the time. The league average is 59%. So he's seeing a reasonable amount of fastballs. But the league average on sliders is 14%, and he's seeing 21%. Clearly, it's a weakness which opposing pitchers are trying to exploit.

Its aight. I didnt have to be such a dick about it.

Maybin is showing the organization that not every stud prospect is going to pull a Hanley Ramirez on you, and I don't think now nor have I ever thought that Maybin was ready to be a steady producer from the get-go when every bit of analysis I've read and conventional wisdom seems to suggest otherwise. So it does concern me that we have a non-factor as a starter in the outfield with no good alternative, which is a situation the FO should not have put us in especially considering corner OFers are easy to find and Cody Ross can play a fine center if needed. But Stanton falls under the "no good alternative" category.

Maybin is showing the organization that not every stud prospect is going to pull a Hanley Ramirez on you, and I don't think now nor have I ever thought that Maybin was ready to be a steady producer from the get-go when every bit of analysis I've read and conventional wisdom seems to suggest otherwise. So it does concern me that we have a non-factor as a starter in the outfield with no good alternative, which is a situation the FO should not have put us in especially considering corner OFers are easy to find and Cody Ross can play a fine center if needed. But Stanton falls under the "no good alternative" category.

Maybin isn't showing the organization anything. I think it was the fans who overestimated Maybin, not the FO. Beinfest himself said that growing pains are to be expected.

Maybin is showing the organization that not every stud prospect is going to pull a Hanley Ramirez on you, and I don't think now nor have I ever thought that Maybin was ready to be a steady producer from the get-go when every bit of analysis I've read and conventional wisdom seems to suggest otherwise. So it does concern me that we have a non-factor as a starter in the outfield with no good alternative, which is a situation the FO should not have put us in especially considering corner OFers are easy to find and Cody Ross can play a fine center if needed. But Stanton falls under the "no good alternative" category.

Maybin isn't showing the organization anything. I think it was the fans who overestimated Maybin, not the FO. Beinfest himself said that growing pains are to be expected.

 

There's always bound to be growing pains. But the FO didn't have to subject tthe team to that this year when Maybin could still learn how a lot in the minors. His inability to hit breaking pitching and high GB rate are red flags at this point in his career. Maybin is the type of player that almost every other organization keeps in the minors for at least the start of the season for a little more polishing. I know they don't all operate under our payroll constraints, but it does us no good if Maybin never reaches his longterm potential.

Maybin is showing the organization that not every stud prospect is going to pull a Hanley Ramirez on you, and I don't think now nor have I ever thought that Maybin was ready to be a steady producer from the get-go when every bit of analysis I've read and conventional wisdom seems to suggest otherwise. So it does concern me that we have a non-factor as a starter in the outfield with no good alternative, which is a situation the FO should not have put us in especially considering corner OFers are easy to find and Cody Ross can play a fine center if needed. But Stanton falls under the "no good alternative" category.

Maybin isn't showing the organization anything. I think it was the fans who overestimated Maybin, not the FO. Beinfest himself said that growing pains are to be expected.

 

There's always bound to be growing pains. But the FO didn't have to subject tthe team to that this year when Maybin could still learn how a lot in the minors. His inability to hit breaking pitching and high GB rate are red flags at this point in his career. Maybin is the type of player that almost every other organization keeps in the minors for at least the start of the season for a little more polishing. I know they don't all operate under our payroll constraints, but it does us no good if Maybin never reaches his longterm potential.

He's not going to learn to hit ML breaking pitches in AA. He manages to hit there. And the PCL is obviously not an option.

Why is Stanton in this coversation?

Why is Stanton in this coversation?

 

 

exactly what i was thinking.

 

maybe see him next year, but for sure not this year. (maybe limited september play time) but thats it.

Maybin is showing the organization that not every stud prospect is going to pull a Hanley Ramirez on you, and I don't think now nor have I ever thought that Maybin was ready to be a steady producer from the get-go when every bit of analysis I've read and conventional wisdom seems to suggest otherwise. So it does concern me that we have a non-factor as a starter in the outfield with no good alternative, which is a situation the FO should not have put us in especially considering corner OFers are easy to find and Cody Ross can play a fine center if needed. But Stanton falls under the "no good alternative" category.

Maybin isn't showing the organization anything. I think it was the fans who overestimated Maybin, not the FO. Beinfest himself said that growing pains are to be expected.

 

There's always bound to be growing pains. But the FO didn't have to subject tthe team to that this year when Maybin could still learn how a lot in the minors. His inability to hit breaking pitching and high GB rate are red flags at this point in his career. Maybin is the type of player that almost every other organization keeps in the minors for at least the start of the season for a little more polishing. I know they don't all operate under our payroll constraints, but it does us no good if Maybin never reaches his longterm potential.

He's not going to learn to hit ML breaking pitches in AA. He manages to hit there. And the PCL is obviously not an option.

 

His pedestrian numbers in AA were hardly elite last year and according to scouts he didn't hit breaking pitches all that well there. AA pitchers who are just learning themselves aren't going to be able to capitalize on Maybin's weaknesses quite like major league pitchers, who can draw on a wealth of scouting information and experience.

 

I'm hoping he turns things around because he is a physical beast but these all tools no polish prospects don't always get things going that easily.

in 2003 how did cabrera come up so quick wasnt he 20 ? and 19 in april so very young

Desperation. And because he is the best position teenager since ARod and Andruw Jones.

 

It's quite a stretch to put Stanton in that category right away, even if he does have immense upside. Leave him in Jupiter - a pitcher's environment - all year. Move him to Jacksonville next year and see how he handles real breaking pitches. I don't think these guys see real breaking stuff until AA for the most part and that's a huge learning curve right there. Even more so for Stanton, who whiffs a lot and sliders may pose a huge problem for him initially. He is at best, a late season call up in September 2010, and if he is absolutely a beast, he may be given a shot at starting in April 2011. But more than likely because of our excellent OF depth with Maybin/Cousins/Petersen/Raynor/Maybe Morrison, it'll be a bit longer.

 

Gaby Sanchez is next. Coghlan, Raynor, and Hayes are other options for 2009. That's pretty much it.

 

That's almost exactly what they were saying when breaking camp a couple weeks ago. Difference is, they said he may get moved to AA later this year. Same with Dominguez. Apparently Winters is turning some heads in Jupiter as well. Listening to Beinfest talking about Stanton during the game the other day, it dosen't sound like they are veering from that plan.

 

I kinda like Hayes. Looked strong behind the plate this Spring. Too bad he didn't look as strong with his bat. Small sample I know, but he seemed to be making an impression.

His pedestrian numbers in AA were hardly elite last year and according to scouts he didn't hit breaking pitches all that well there. AA pitchers who are just learning themselves aren't going to be able to capitalize on Maybin's weaknesses quite like major league pitchers, who can draw on a wealth of scouting information and experience.

 

I'm hoping he turns things around because he is a physical beast but these all tools no polish prospects don't always get things going that easily.

An honest assessment of Maybin. This is an outrage. You should be banned for life.

why do people think we should replace a slumping propect with another propect. makes no sense to me.