What a shocker. Knew that he wasn't ready to go. We just have so few options in the minors....

 

RVH is back.

Is he coming up or staying in the minors?

What a shocker. Knew that he wasn't ready to go. We just have so few options in the minors....

 

RVH is back.

Is he coming up or staying in the minors?

 

Minors, but he's added insurance and I'm sure he will be up at some point in the not too distant future.

RVH wasn't available when we took Anibal off the DL to make the lone start. That's mainly what I was referring to.

RVH wasn't available when we took Anibal off the DL to make the lone start. That's mainly what I was referring to.

 

Gotcha. But he's nice insurance right now.

And to think that this may not of happened if we did what we should of and kept Badenhop in the rotation for a couple more starts.

I really feal bad for him, he can't catch a break in life (between two major surgeries, repeated setbacks w/ injuries) and the death of his child. I've just come to accept he'll never be able to pitch injury-free. He's just one of those guys (like Prior) with so much potential that just breaks down.

 

While Hanley is an amazing player for sure, that trade is looking more and more one-sided.

Sorry for the double post.

Torn labrums are just hard to come back from, a few guys like Gil Meche being the exception. I feel bad for him but I think it's ok to be patient with him. Maybe let him pitch out of the pen and limit him to a few innings here and there. That has salvaged the careers of many injured ex-starters.

Acording to MLB.com RVH is back on the MLB roster?

While Hanley is an amazing player for sure, that trade is looking more and more one-sided

 

Because you would trade Hanley for Beckett straight up? Seriously?

While Hanley is an amazing player for sure, that trade is looking more and more one-sided

 

Because you would trade Hanley for Beckett straight up? Seriously?

 

 

This. I don't know how people can honestly feel that way. I feel like they don't even understand just how filthy Hanley is. And Beckett has a 4.11 ERA since he go to Boston.

Both teams did well in that trade. They got two very good players and wouldn't have a WS without them and we got one of the best players in the game. I'm sure both GMs are happy how it turned out.

Acording to MLB.com RVH is back on the MLB roster?

 

I think he's on the 40-man, not the 25-man.

Well According to the mlb site he is on the 25 man but its wrong since Ani is going to be called down replaced by Martinez and Nolasco will probably replace RVH while he is taking his rehab starts

 

Heres the link

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/team/depth_chart/index.jsp?c_id=fla

I really feal bad for him, he can't catch a break in life (between two major surgeries, repeated setbacks w/ injuries) and the death of his child. I've just come to accept he'll never be able to pitch injury-free. He's just one of those guys (like Prior) with so much potential that just breaks down.

 

While Hanley is an amazing player for sure, that trade is looking more and more one-sided.

 

Beckett hasn't been that great in Boston outside that one year (which yes, was probably worth it for a ring) and Mike Lowell has been pretty good, but nowhere being one of the best in baseball. Not just that, remember that Lowell and Beckett would have been FA after 2007.

 

I'd make that trade 100 times out of 100.

Anibal Sanchez is an interesting case study. His wife is a doctor, he's not an unintelligent person obviously, and maybe my read is off-base (no pun intended) but time after time it appears the guy is unable to be forthright about his health. I can't figure out if it's desire to pitch outweighing common sense or something pathological, but at some point I would imagine the Marlins have to make a decision about how much they can depend on his devotion to the truth.

 

This.

Anibal Sanchez is an interesting case study. His wife is a doctor, he's not an unintelligent person obviously, and maybe my read is off-base (no pun intended) but time after time it appears the guy is unable to be forthright about his health. I can't figure out if it's desire to pitch outweighing common sense or something pathological, but at some point I would imagine the Marlins have to make a decision about how much they can depend on his devotion to the truth.

 

This.

Bah this.

Anibal Sanchez is an interesting case study. His wife is a doctor, he's not an unintelligent person obviously, and maybe my read is off-base (no pun intended) but time after time it appears the guy is unable to be forthright about his health. I can't figure out if it's desire to pitch outweighing common sense or something pathological, but at some point I would imagine the Marlins have to make a decision about how much they can depend on his devotion to the truth.

 

This.

Bah this.

Bah humbug.

And people question wonder why the Marlins were/are looking for pitching and considered moving Ross to get it?

 

Occasionally, just occasionally maybe the FO knows just a tad more than the experts here.

 

 

 

I really don't think one has to do with the other, to be honest. The bottom line is, the Marlins are willing to trade Cody, Uggla, Cantu, and Hermida if they fall out of contention. Really has nothing to do with getting MLB ready pitching in return.

 

With over a hundred games to play you can't possibly be serious. The bottomline is they are still in contention and are trying to stay there. Maybe you've given up on the team and the season but obviously the decision-makers haven't.

 

When did I say I've given up on the season?

 

Your claim is that the front office is clearly looking for MLB ready pitching, thus they are willing to trade Cody. I disagree. I think they're willing to shed salary, get a prospect, thinking that they have someone else who's ready in the minors (perhaps putting faith in Maybin again).

 

First off, the Braves don't really have much to realistically offer.

 

Second, you're making a big deal out of this. The rotation, right now, is as good as its been in a long time. JJ & Volstad have continued their consistencies, Nolasco (you have to put your faith in), Miller's been pitching a bit better, West has shown some promise, and Badenhop has shown he can provide insurance if anything goes wrong, giving the team 5 innings or so.

 

If the Marlins really wanted a SP, I don't think they'd have to trade a Cody Ross to get one. For one, no team is going to easily give up an MLB starting pitcher for a Cody Ross. Also, they can always sign a Tom Glavine...or a Paul Byrd if they REALLY wanted to. Both would be #4-5 starters, at this point, and that's really all the team needs, with the way JJ & Volstad have pitched...and once again, you can't lose faith in Nolasco, as an organization, simply b/c you don't lose talent over night. He was one of the best pitchers in baseball last year.

Sanchez hasn't looked very good anyway, even when he's been back "healthy" for short stretches of time.

I really feal bad for him, he can't catch a break in life (between two major surgeries, repeated setbacks w/ injuries) and the death of his child. I've just come to accept he'll never be able to pitch injury-free. He's just one of those guys (like Prior) with so much potential that just breaks down.

 

While Hanley is an amazing player for sure, that trade is looking more and more one-sided.

 

Beckett hasn't been that great in Boston outside that one year (which yes, was probably worth it for a ring) and Mike Lowell has been pretty good, but nowhere being one of the best in baseball. Not just that, remember that Lowell and Beckett would have been FA after 2007.

 

I'd make that trade 100 times out of 100.

 

Rabb- Good point about the Free Agency, but to me, a trade's value is determined by what the traded players help their new teams accomplish (or what their old teams fail to accomplish through their absense). Beckett and Lowell helped win a Championship (Lowell winning the WS MVP in the process) with their leadership. With as great a player as Hanley is (and will continue to become), he has lead us to nothing. We've had a run of poor defense at 3b and until recently w/ JJ's development, have lacked a truly dominant, front-of-the-line starter. The Sox are a half game back out of first, we're plummeting to the cellar.

 

I'm not saying that I wouldn't make this trade again because I would (as you pointed out, they would have been gone a year later w/ only a sandwich draft pick as compensation); Hanley is goign to be a perrenial All-Star and the linch-pin of our offense for years to come. However, I'm simply saying this trade has essentially turned into a 2-for-1, with the Sox netting another trophy out of it and the Marlins netting their first All-Star starter voted in as a Marlin. Which would you rather have at the moment?

I really feal bad for him, he can't catch a break in life (between two major surgeries, repeated setbacks w/ injuries) and the death of his child. I've just come to accept he'll never be able to pitch injury-free. He's just one of those guys (like Prior) with so much potential that just breaks down.

 

While Hanley is an amazing player for sure, that trade is looking more and more one-sided.

 

Beckett hasn't been that great in Boston outside that one year (which yes, was probably worth it for a ring) and Mike Lowell has been pretty good, but nowhere being one of the best in baseball. Not just that, remember that Lowell and Beckett would have been FA after 2007.

 

I'd make that trade 100 times out of 100.

 

Rabb- Good point about the Free Agency, but to me, a trade's value is determined by what the traded players help their new teams accomplish (or what their old teams fail to accomplish through their absense). Beckett and Lowell helped win a Championship (Lowell winning the WS MVP in the process) with their leadership. With as great a player as Hanley is (and will continue to become), he has lead us to nothing. We've had a run of poor defense at 3b and until recently w/ JJ's development, have lacked a truly dominant, front-of-the-line starter. The Sox are a half game back out of first, we're plummeting to the cellar.

 

I'm not saying that I wouldn't make this trade again because I would (as you pointed out, they would have been gone a year later w/ only a sandwich draft pick as compensation); Hanley is goign to be a perrenial All-Star and the linch-pin of our offense for years to come. However, I'm simply saying this trade has essentially turned into a 2-for-1, with the Sox netting another trophy out of it and the Marlins netting their first All-Star starter voted in as a Marlin. Which would you rather have at the moment?

 

I would rather see this team build around Hanley instead...then we'll see. No one player wins a World Series, so the argument is silly...also, the leadership thing is silly, as well. We're not in the clubhouse.

 

And we haven't lacked a dominant, front of the line starter. Nolasco was that last year...and as you said JJ has been that this year.

 

Hanley Ramirez is the best SS in baseball, and it's not even close. Arguably, the best in the game overall, all things considered.

I really feal bad for him, he can't catch a break in life (between two major surgeries, repeated setbacks w/ injuries) and the death of his child. I've just come to accept he'll never be able to pitch injury-free. He's just one of those guys (like Prior) with so much potential that just breaks down.

 

While Hanley is an amazing player for sure, that trade is looking more and more one-sided.

 

Beckett hasn't been that great in Boston outside that one year (which yes, was probably worth it for a ring) and Mike Lowell has been pretty good, but nowhere being one of the best in baseball. Not just that, remember that Lowell and Beckett would have been FA after 2007.

 

I'd make that trade 100 times out of 100.

 

Rabb- Good point about the Free Agency, but to me, a trade's value is determined by what the traded players help their new teams accomplish (or what their old teams fail to accomplish through their absense). Beckett and Lowell helped win a Championship (Lowell winning the WS MVP in the process) with their leadership. With as great a player as Hanley is (and will continue to become), he has lead us to nothing. We've had a run of poor defense at 3b and until recently w/ JJ's development, have lacked a truly dominant, front-of-the-line starter. The Sox are a half game back out of first, we're plummeting to the cellar.

 

I'm not saying that I wouldn't make this trade again because I would (as you pointed out, they would have been gone a year later w/ only a sandwich draft pick as compensation); Hanley is goign to be a perrenial All-Star and the linch-pin of our offense for years to come. However, I'm simply saying this trade has essentially turned into a 2-for-1, with the Sox netting another trophy out of it and the Marlins netting their first All-Star starter voted in as a Marlin. Which would you rather have at the moment?

 

I would rather see this team build around Hanley instead...then we'll see. No one player wins a World Series, so the argument is silly...also, the leadership thing is silly, as well. We're not in the clubhouse.

 

And we haven't lacked a dominant, front of the line starter. Nolasco was that last year...and as you said JJ has been that this year.

 

Hanley Ramirez is the best SS in baseball, and it's not even close. Arguably, the best in the game overall, all things considered.

 

He is also probably the 2nd or 3rd best position player in all of baseball behind Pujols, and if he gets back on track then A-Rod.

 

We really haven't built around him because in 2006 we just tried getting the best talent possible and didn't build around anyone but Miguel.

Now that he's gone i guess we could try building around him but we've only signed 1 Major bat an that was Cantu who was a risk that paid off.

IMO if we ever want to build around Hanley now(not in the future but now) were going to have to spend some money and make a few trades.

 

Another thing is that who knows what would have happend if injurys didn't happen.

Would Hermida become the 5 tool player he has said to be if he didn't have all thoose knee and leg injury's?

Would Anibal won 10 + games since his rookie year if he didn't tear his labrum?

Would having JJ in the rotaion full time last year gotten us into the playoffs?

But injury's happen and its up to the players to step up and play hard everyday to fill that void.

I really feal bad for him, he can't catch a break in life (between two major surgeries, repeated setbacks w/ injuries) and the death of his child. I've just come to accept he'll never be able to pitch injury-free. He's just one of those guys (like Prior) with so much potential that just breaks down.

 

While Hanley is an amazing player for sure, that trade is looking more and more one-sided.

 

Beckett hasn't been that great in Boston outside that one year (which yes, was probably worth it for a ring) and Mike Lowell has been pretty good, but nowhere being one of the best in baseball. Not just that, remember that Lowell and Beckett would have been FA after 2007.

 

I'd make that trade 100 times out of 100.

 

Rabb- Good point about the Free Agency, but to me, a trade's value is determined by what the traded players help their new teams accomplish (or what their old teams fail to accomplish through their absense). Beckett and Lowell helped win a Championship (Lowell winning the WS MVP in the process) with their leadership. With as great a player as Hanley is (and will continue to become), he has lead us to nothing. We've had a run of poor defense at 3b and until recently w/ JJ's development, have lacked a truly dominant, front-of-the-line starter. The Sox are a half game back out of first, we're plummeting to the cellar.

 

I'm not saying that I wouldn't make this trade again because I would (as you pointed out, they would have been gone a year later w/ only a sandwich draft pick as compensation); Hanley is goign to be a perrenial All-Star and the linch-pin of our offense for years to come. However, I'm simply saying this trade has essentially turned into a 2-for-1, with the Sox netting another trophy out of it and the Marlins netting their first All-Star starter voted in as a Marlin. Which would you rather have at the moment?

Beckett and Lowell helped win a WS with their play, not their leadership. Not to mention Beckett has never been a great clubhouse guy. Do you think with Robert Andino at SS, Lowell at 3B, and Beckett in the rotation WE would have won the WS in 2007? I'd state right now that there is NOOOOOOOO WAY. Unless that somehow not trading them also netted us Schilling, Dice-K, Manny Ramirez, Big Papi (as a DH), Youkilis, Pedroia (remember, Uggla had a bad year), Varatek, Papelbon, Okajima, and the rest of that great bullpen from 2007.

 

We didn't trade a World Series for an our first All-Star starter voted in as a Marlin, because that would indicate that we gave a World Series away. We trade two good players for one of the best players in the game, and easily the best player at his position.