I am disgusted by most of the posters on this board, who seem to advocate trading away a player like Dan Uggla. You guys all look forward to "the future" without looking at what you have already.

 

Who is Chris Coughlin? Why should he replace Dan Uggla, an all-star who is the fastest to reach 100 HR for a 2nd baseman? Don't you guys want some players that actually grow with the team? Why do we bring these guys up, give them experience and just trade them away time and time again?

 

I agree Coughlin has been playing very well but I don't believe at all that we should just trade Uggla for some unproven rookie. What if we trade Uggla and Coughlin turns out to suck? then what? No, don't trade Uggla, keep him a Marlin for a long long time, please. Keep our All-Star 2nd baseman!

 

God forbid we draft a SS next year, or we'll all be calling for trading Hanley.

 

Just my opinion.

Who is Chris Coughlin?

 

 

No, it's "Who is Karim Garcia?"

Who is Chris Coughlin?

 

 

No, it's "Who is Karim Garcia?"

 

No, it's "Where's Waldo?"

Who is Chris Coughlin?

 

 

No, it's "Who is Karim Garcia?"

 

/winner

He's getting older. He won't be able to keep this up much longer. So trading him now before his numbers decline makes sense.

I've quietly made peace with the fact that unless something changes, Uggla will probably be traded. His rising salary, plus aging, somewhat dictates a "sell high" philosophy. Plus, the whole cyclical outlook of the FO. I would love to sign Uggla "long term" (3 year), but it probably won't happen. He is my fav player.

 

Of course, I used probably a lot there, so who knows?

GRD, it's not about Uggla, its about affordability and his importance to the team, as well as how well we can replace him if gone.

 

Uggla is set to make a lot of money in the future, money that will be needed to secure players who have shown consistant production over the years, the likes of JJ, Chris Volstad, as well as maybe guys like Cody, hell maybe even Baker. We have a replacement set for Uggla if he is to go. Uggla still isn't going to become a huge loss because we have replacement parts. His inconsistancy is killer in the majors. With the future power hitters coming up such as Morrison and Stanton, we will need faster guys who have a good walk rate (although Uggla does) and more importantly good speed at the top of the lineup to compensate those big bats in the middle of the lineup.

 

When it comes to the Marlins, it always comes to necessity and affordability, and when you look at these two things, Uggla certainly doesn't fit in our long term plans.

I am disgusted by most of the posters on this board, who seem to advocate trading away a player like Dan Uggla. You guys all look forward to "the future" without looking at what you have already.

 

Who is Chris Coughlin? Why should he replace Dan Uggla, an all-star who is the fastest to reach 100 HR for a 2nd baseman? Don't you guys want some players that actually grow with the team? Why do we bring these guys up, give them experience and just trade them away time and time again?

 

I agree Coughlin has been playing very well but I don't believe at all that we should just trade Uggla for some unproven rookie. What if we trade Uggla and Coughlin turns out to suck? then what? No, don't trade Uggla, keep him a Marlin for a long long time, please. Keep our All-Star 2nd baseman!

 

God forbid we draft a SS next year, or we'll all be calling for trading Hanley.

 

Just my opinion.

 

No one is arguing Coghlan will perennially hit like Uggla (though I think it's funny Uggla .757, Coghlan .752 right now). But he should be a good regular overall in a Mark Loretta kind of way. He's really safe because of his BB/K rate.

 

What does being the fastest to 100 HR mean about future projection. Uggla may be really productive for another year or two, but he is not going to hit an .825+ OPS for each of the next 4 years to warrant an extension. We do want players to grow with this team. Their names are Hanley, Johnson, and god willingly Miller and Nolasco. Everyone else in arbitration, (except maybe Hermida if he reaches his hitting potential, but odds are still no on that plus being a corner outfielder), has no future with this team to warrant an extension.

 

Keeping him in arbitration is also relatively impossible, as Samson has been adamant with his 'payroll matches revenue' comments even with the stadium deal, so it is very unlikely the Marlins raise payroll above $40-45 million next year to accommodate a player like Uggla when we have an escalating Hanley, four SP, and multiple relievers, all going into arbitration, plus nearly the whole starting lineup. (I view pitching more important than hitting when it comes to our future expenditures, but feel free to disagree). Uggla has the biggest paycheck, and may make as much as the next 2 arbitration cases combined. Where's the money?

 

No one is going to call for trading Hanley unless they are a moron. He is entering his prime at a premier position. Someone like Uggla, is not.

 

 

We should be trading Uggla not just because we have Coghlan, and to a lesser extent Bonifacio, to cover 2B in coming years. We should trade Uggla because his salary is going to jump to over $8 million in arbitration, he is simply not that good of a player to warrant that salary, we have to preserve our pitching staff first, he has excellent trade value for a team looking for a power 2B which is very rare, is assumedly going to have strong trade value as he'll figure it out the rest of the way and get closer to his career numbers, and we have adequate replacements that could turn into longterm options themselves. It makes sense on the field and off the field. It's the smart business decision.

 

The only question is July 31st, or November. And that answer lies in the team becoming a wild card contender by the all star break. I'd much rather have another top SP prospect in AA if we're not a contender. Let alone money saved can go into a 5 year contract to Johnson, which is easily organizational priority # 1.

He's getting older. He won't be able to keep this up much longer. So trading him now before his numbers decline makes sense.

 

 

 

 

He's only 29, that's not old at all for baseball, if I'm not mistaken.

 

 

GRD, it's not about Uggla, its about affordability and his importance to the team, as well as how well we can replace him if gone.

 

Uggla is set to make a lot of money in the future, money that will be needed to secure players who have shown consistant production over the years, the likes of JJ, Chris Volstad, as well as maybe guys like Cody, hell maybe even Baker. We have a replacement set for Uggla if he is to go. Uggla still isn't going to become a huge loss because we have replacement parts. His inconsistancy is killer in the majors. With the future power hitters coming up such as Morrison and Stanton, we will need faster guys who have a good walk rate (although Uggla does) and more importantly good speed at the top of the lineup to compensate those big bats in the middle of the lineup.

 

When it comes to the Marlins, it always comes to necessity and affordability, and when you look at these two things, Uggla certainly doesn't fit in our long term plans.

 

 

 

 

Well we have a replacement for everybody except for Baker, Hanley, and our pitchers, right? Why even pay them, why not just let the "future" get some playing time?

 

My point is that as an organization we can't just keep cycling rookies over all-stars because it'll never end, we'll always have prospects in the minors, and we'll always have "replacements". I just want to have the same guy in the uniform for 10 years, a guy I know can be my favorite player (like Uggla was last year) and he won't be traded.

 

 

 

I am disgusted by most of the posters on this board, who seem to advocate trading away a player like Dan Uggla. You guys all look forward to "the future" without looking at what you have already.

 

Who is Chris Coughlin? Why should he replace Dan Uggla, an all-star who is the fastest to reach 100 HR for a 2nd baseman? Don't you guys want some players that actually grow with the team? Why do we bring these guys up, give them experience and just trade them away time and time again?

 

I agree Coughlin has been playing very well but I don't believe at all that we should just trade Uggla for some unproven rookie. What if we trade Uggla and Coughlin turns out to suck? then what? No, don't trade Uggla, keep him a Marlin for a long long time, please. Keep our All-Star 2nd baseman!

 

God forbid we draft a SS next year, or we'll all be calling for trading Hanley.

 

Just my opinion.

 

No one is arguing Coghlan will perennially hit like Uggla (though I think it's funny Uggla .757, Coghlan .752 right now). But he should be a good regular overall in a Mark Loretta kind of way. He's really safe because of his BB/K rate.

 

What does being the fastest to 100 HR mean about future projection. Uggla may be really productive for another year or two, but he is not going to hit an .825+ OPS for each of the next 4 years to warrant an extension. We do want players to grow with this team. Their names are Hanley, Johnson, and god willingly Miller and Nolasco. Everyone else in arbitration, (except maybe Hermida if he reaches his hitting potential, but odds are still no on that plus being a corner outfielder), has no future with this team to warrant an extension.

 

Keeping him in arbitration is also relatively impossible, as Samson has been adamant with his 'payroll matches revenue' comments even with the stadium deal, so it is very unlikely the Marlins raise payroll above $40-45 million next year to accommodate a player like Uggla when we have an escalating Hanley, four SP, and multiple relievers, all going into arbitration, plus nearly the whole starting lineup. (I view pitching more important than hitting when it comes to our future expenditures, but feel free to disagree). Uggla has the biggest paycheck, and may make as much as the next 2 arbitration cases combined. Where's the money?

 

No one is going to call for trading Hanley unless they are a moron. He is entering his prime at a premier position. Someone like Uggla, is not.

 

 

We should be trading Uggla not just because we have Coghlan, and to a lesser extent Bonifacio, to cover 2B in coming years. We should trade Uggla because his salary is going to jump to over $8 million in arbitration, he is simply not that good of a player to warrant that salary, we have to preserve our pitching staff first, he has excellent trade value for a team looking for a power 2B which is very rare, is assumedly going to have strong trade value as he'll figure it out the rest of the way and get closer to his career numbers, and we have adequate replacements that could turn into longterm options themselves. It makes sense on the field and off the field. It's the smart business decision.

 

The only question is July 31st, or November. And that answer lies in the team becoming a wild card contender by the all star break. I'd much rather have another top SP prospect in AA if we're not a contender. Let alone money saved can go into a 5 year contract to Johnson, which is easily organizational priority # 1.

 

I can't really argue with much in this post, except that maybe our FO shouldn't be so goddamn cheap.

Better to have a "cheap" FO, than no team at all because no person would be able to sustain the loss year after year that a high payroll team would create under the small revenue gained in their situation..

I just want to have the same guy in the uniform for 10 years

 

You were born 40 or 50 years too late. Those days virtually ended with free agency in '75. Surely you've heard of Curt Flood's suit in '70?

 

Competition for talent finally came to baseball. Better late than never. Makes for a lot of job-switching and better baseball overall. Notice that the Yankees haven't won since '00.

 

In any case, Uggla wouldn't be "the same guy" for this franchise, Hanley and JJ and a very few other young whipper-snappers, some of whom who have not yet seen a single day of ML service are.

 

Be sure to let us know when you've kept a major league payroll within extremely stringent real-world financial constraints in a crummy economy while avoiding long-term payroll disasters like Pavano for $30 mill.

I am disgusted by most of the posters on this board, who seem to advocate trading away a player like Dan Uggla. You guys all look forward to "the future" without looking at what you have already.

 

Who is Chris Coughlin? Why should he replace Dan Uggla, an all-star who is the fastest to reach 100 HR for a 2nd baseman? Don't you guys want some players that actually grow with the team? Why do we bring these guys up, give them experience and just trade them away time and time again?

 

I agree Coughlin has been playing very well but I don't believe at all that we should just trade Uggla for some unproven rookie. What if we trade Uggla and Coughlin turns out to suck? then what? No, don't trade Uggla, keep him a Marlin for a long long time, please. Keep our All-Star 2nd baseman!

 

God forbid we draft a SS next year, or we'll all be calling for trading Hanley.

 

Just my opinion.

 

 

 

marlins.com, espn, mlb.com, google, wikipedia, just 5 out of thousands of websites that show that its chris coghlan not chris coughlin!!!!!!

The only question is July 31st, or November. And that answer lies in the team becoming a wild card contender by the all star break. I'd much rather have another top SP prospect in AA if we're not a contender. Let alone money saved can go into a 5 year contract to Johnson, which is easily organizational priority # 1.

 

 

Gee, we're three games back in the wildcard right now. We split the remaining inter-league series or even get to .500 and we're in decent shape.

 

I'd say we already are contending.

 

The question, will we still be on July 31st?

It's Chris COGHLAN!! :banghead .

I just want to have the same guy in the uniform for 10 years

 

You were born 40 or 50 years too late. Those days virtually ended with free agency in '75. Surely you've heard of Curt Flood's suit in '70?

 

Competition for talent finally came to baseball. Better late than never. Makes for a lot of job-switching and better baseball overall. Notice that the Yankees haven't won since '00.

 

In any case, Uggla wouldn't be "the same guy" for this franchise, Hanley and JJ and a very few other young whipper-snappers, some of whom who have not yet seen a single day of ML service are.

 

Be sure to let us know when you've kept a major league payroll within extremely stringent real-world financial constraints in a crummy economy while avoiding long-term payroll disasters like Pavano for $30 mill.

 

Almost made it through an entire post.....haha

As much as I like Uggla, he has never really been the future face of 2B (lol rhyming) for the club.

The question, will we still be on July 31st?

 

Sure. However you want to phrase it. But a negative run differential and currently under .500 doesn't say much to me despite whatever games back they waiver the next few weeks.

Sorry about the Coughlan-Coughlin thing, my spellcheck says Coughlan is wrong and Coughlin is correct.

Sorry about the Coughlan-Coughlin thing, my spellcheck says Coughlan is wrong and Coughlin is correct.

 

Here is some advice - Never use spellcheck with last names. Also, there is no U in Coghlan. Think COG-LAN.

Sorry about the Coughlan-Coughlin thing, my spellcheck says Coughlan is wrong and Coughlin is correct.

 

Here is some advice - Never use spellcheck with last names. Also, there is no U in Coghlan. Think COG-LAN.

 

Ahh! Sorry! Such a tough last name, lol