I think his daily insistence on pulling Gaby in the 8th for defensive purposes is pretty stupid, actually. Gaby's not great defensively, and admittedly it does improve our defense moving Cantu to 1B and Barden or Wes to 3B, but there's been a couple of situations where we could've used his bat and had to settle for the Brian Bardens and Mike Lambs of the world.

 

 

seconded.

 

Thirded.

Oh well tonight was one that got away. Tomorrow is another chance. We'll win, its not the end of the world brother.

 

 

ummm. we've had about 5 that have "got away" this year alone..

I think his daily insistence on pulling Gaby in the 8th for defensive purposes is pretty stupid, actually. Gaby's not great defensively, and admittedly it does improve our defense moving Cantu to 1B and Barden or Wes to 3B, but there's been a couple of situations where we could've used his bat and had to settle for the Brian Bardens and Mike Lambs of the world.

 

 

seconded.

 

Thirded.

 

Forthded

I find it funny that aside from maybe one poster (he knows who he is. We all do), I don't really know if anyone agrees with that move being made night after night. In certain situations, sure. But taking Gaby's bat out of the lineup for Brian Barden is just awful, I don't care how good Barden's defense is supposed to be.

In the 8th inning with a lead generally? I think it's safe to take Gaby out to bring in Barden and improve our corner defense (not just 3rd base, but 1st too). I just feel it isn't smart to put pressure on Gaby late in games when we have better defensive players available to replace him, and the move is made with the lead, so it's not like if all goes right we are going to need Gaby's bat, we will definitely need improved defense at 1st and 3rd. It's a smart move, especially considering how below average our defense is at nearly every position.

 

Majority agreement doesn't make it right. Fredi has made those decisions for a reason, and it has worked every time given we haven't made many if any errors through those defensive replacements all year.

The one move I didn't likethough, was pinch hitting for Coghlan with Paulino. Too aggresseive considering that the game was already in extras and you're basically falling two more guys short on the bench, for a move that wasn't really that necesarry when you're playing with the odds specially considering that CC had two good previous AB's and was due for a hit.

In the 8th inning with a lead generally? I think it's safe to take Gaby out to bring in Barden and improve our corner defense (not just 3rd base, but 1st too). I just feel it isn't smart to put pressure on Gaby late in games when we have better defensive players available to replace him, and the move is made with the lead, so it's not like if all goes right we are going to need Gaby's bat, we will definitely need improved defense at 1st and 3rd. It's a smart move, especially considering how below average our defense is at nearly every position.

 

Majority agreement doesn't make it right. Fredi has made those decisions for a reason, and it has worked every time given we haven't made many if any errors through those defensive replacements all year.

 

 

You make fair points, but our defense at other position is irrelevant. All that matters is how the move affects the position and players it directly impacts, i.e. Gaby, Helms/Barden, and Cantu.

 

And it's highly unlikely that they'll be a play which will change the game that Barden/Helms would make but Gaby wouldn't. And that likelihood is mitigated by the chance that Gaby's bat will be important later.

 

Finally, Gaby is our emergency catcher. Whomever of Baker/Paulino that isn't starting instantly becomes one of our most valuable pinch hitters, but taking Gaby out of the game either eliminates the possibility of using one of the two guys as a PH or else it makes it a much more dangerous move because we are then down to our last available catcher.

The one move I didn't likethough, was pinch hitting for Coghlan with Paulino. Too aggresseive considering that the game was already in extras and you're basically falling two more guys short on the bench, for a move that wasn't really that necesarry when you're playing with the odds specially considering that CC had two good previous AB's and was due for a hit.

 

I think that move was made because Fredi was pretty damn certain that Paulino would have been facing the lefty. No one was warming up at the time.

I know this qualifies as knee-jerk lololol, BUT, thanks for leaving Badenhop in for a THIRD inning Fredi.

 

He's a long reliever. And my beefs with Fredi have been well documented. He really didn't do anything too wrong tonight other than not batting Gaby second.

I find it funny that aside from maybe one poster (he knows who he is. We all do), I don't really know if anyone agrees with that move being made night after night. In certain situations, sure. But taking Gaby's bat out of the lineup for Brian Barden is just awful, I don't care how good Barden's defense is supposed to be.

 

 

Marlins1?

 

I wonder where he/she is. Gaby's been hitting pretty dang well, so I thought Marlins1 would be around....:mis2

This thread is just inappropriate. It's an overreaction. He doesnt handle the bullpen well at all, fine. But he's legit, at least. We can do better than Fredi, but for the most part he gets the job done. Not the worst. Bad. But not the worst. And it's not worthy of a thread every other day.

The one move or lack there of I had a problem with was when we had 2 on, first and second none out with Cogs up. I thought for sure with the way Cogs has been struggling he should be bunting to put 2 guys into scoring position for Hanley. Hanley's homer made this moot though.

The one move I didn't likethough, was pinch hitting for Coghlan with Paulino. Too aggresseive considering that the game was already in extras and you're basically falling two more guys short on the bench, for a move that wasn't really that necesarry when you're playing with the odds specially considering that CC had two good previous AB's and was due for a hit.

 

I think that move was made because Fredi was pretty damn certain that Paulino would have been facing the lefty. No one was warming up at the time.

 

 

True, but once Brian Wilson came in it totally backfired the fish. I think even Tommy and Rich were surprised at that move. Whatever it was a gamble and didn't pay off not the end of the world.

The one move or lack there of I had a problem with was when we had 2 on, first and second none out with Cogs up. I thought for sure with the way Cogs has been struggling he should be bunting to put 2 guys into scoring position for Hanley. Hanley's homer made this moot though.

 

 

Why would you spend an out getting 2 guys in scoring position when you are down by 3?

 

As an aside, if Fredi can't trust Coghlan there then he shouldn't be batting 2nd [in the first place].

The one move I didn't likethough, was pinch hitting for Coghlan with Paulino. Too aggresseive considering that the game was already in extras and you're basically falling two more guys short on the bench, for a move that wasn't really that necesarry when you're playing with the odds specially considering that CC had two good previous AB's and was due for a hit.

 

 

 

Isn't that what most have been saying for the last 5 weeks? I really had no problem with that move.

 

I can't see how this game is blamed on Fredi. 20 Ks in this game. Leo gives up his first run of the season. Cantu has a career high 4 Ks, a crappy AB that was an out, and an error that led to run(s). We had RISP with less than 2 outs and the guys didn't deliver. Guys that usually do deliver.

The one move or lack there of I had a problem with was when we had 2 on, first and second none out with Cogs up. I thought for sure with the way Cogs has been struggling he should be bunting to put 2 guys into scoring position for Hanley. Hanley's homer made this moot though.

 

 

 

Not a bad point. And one I didn't think of. But if I remember correctly, isn't that the AB where Rowand robbed him of an XB hit? I'm not so sure I would have had him square up either, but it is an interesting thought.

I thought he left Badenhop in too long. He should've taken him out when he gave up the first hit in the 12th, or perhaps the double.

Where are all you Fredi bashers when he makes the moves that work out?

 

If you are going to criticize him at times, then you should also praise him when a pinch hitter or reliever is successful.

(And please don't try to be cute by saying that he hasn't made any good moves)

The problem was not leaving him in too long, it was letting him face a LHB with the bases loaded.

 

The first problem was having Molina intentionally walked to get to Huff with the bases loased.

In the 8th inning with a lead generally? I think it's safe to take Gaby out to bring in Barden and improve our corner defense (not just 3rd base, but 1st too). I just feel it isn't smart to put pressure on Gaby late in games when we have better defensive players available to replace him, and the move is made with the lead, so it's not like if all goes right we are going to need Gaby's bat, we will definitely need improved defense at 1st and 3rd. It's a smart move, especially considering how below average our defense is at nearly every position.

 

Majority agreement doesn't make it right. Fredi has made those decisions for a reason, and it has worked every time given we haven't made many if any errors through those defensive replacements all year.

 

Only problem I have with that in a manageable game like last night's is that he does that to the infield and takes out one of our best hitters (right now) but leaves Coghlan in who is struggling and leaves Brett Carroll, a much better defender on the bench. Seems kind of like a double standard. "Ok, you're sucking right now but you can stay in and you're doing good right now but you're coming out for someone who sucks just as bad on a regular basis as Coghlan is right now."

The problem was not leaving him in too long, it was letting him face a LHB with the bases loaded.

 

The first problem was having Molina intentionally walked to get to Huff with the bases loased.

I mean, it allowed for the force at any base, put the double play in order, plus Bengie (who I agree is the weaker hitter) has been on fire lately and kinda kicks our ass historically. With all that together I don't see why it's such a problem.

The problem was not leaving him in too long, it was letting him face a LHB with the bases loaded.

 

The first problem was having Molina intentionally walked to get to Huff with the bases loased.

I mean, it allowed for the force at any base, put the double play in order, plus Bengie (who I agree is the weaker hitter) has been on fire lately and kinda kicks our ass historically. With all that together I don't see why it's such a problem.

I have a problem with it because Badenhop is better vs RHB than vs LHB and Huff is a better than Molina vs RHP. Regarding Molina being hot, Huff has being hotter.

The one move I didn't likethough, was pinch hitting for Coghlan with Paulino. Too aggresseive considering that the game was already in extras and you're basically falling two more guys short on the bench, for a move that wasn't really that necesarry when you're playing with the odds specially considering that CC had two good previous AB's and was due for a hit.

 

I think that move was made because Fredi was pretty damn certain that Paulino would have been facing the lefty. No one was warming up at the time.

 

 

True, but once Brian Wilson came in it totally backfired the fish. I think even Tommy and Rich were surprised at that move. Whatever it was a gamble and didn't pay off not the end of the world.

Yes, but you are thinking in hindsight. At the time, given the circumstances, it was a pretty smart move to make. Sometimes a smart move with risk involved does blow up.

 

My only complaint about the move is more indirect. Several people here have already mentioned the stupidity of taking Gaby Sanchez out of the game only to have his bat replaced with Barden's or Lamb's. By consistently taking Gaby out of games in the late innings without any hesitation, the Marlins defeat the purpose of having an emergency catcher.

 

Tommy has remarked about this at least twice this season (including last night), when Fredi used one of the catchers as a pinch hitter. He essentially reminded us that the potential catcher in a case of emergency had already been removed from the game, making the move riskier.

It doesn't matter who the manager is with the roster that the Marlins have. Yes there are several good players on this team and there are several that are AAAA at best. With the team the way it is and has been the last few years, its a testament to Fredi that the Marlins have been above .500. Yes he's going to have moves that blow up in his face and he'll look like a genius at times too. Overall the Marlins are lucky to have him, also by the way does anyone think the Marlins would have a better record if Bobby Valentine was managing right now?

Nunez now has 2 blown saves.

At this rate he will have 13 this season.

Get used to it.

The team could be 15-11.

Same situation as in recent years.

 

 

 

It's the first ER he allows this year.

His first "blown save" wasn't entirely his fault. It was a stupid accidental balk, which almost never happens. The runners were Pinto's and Veras', not his. We ended up winning that game anyway, so it's stupid to say he's cost us 2 games.