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Matt Lindstrom had a meltdown tonight too. It's his second in less than a week.

 

He's been surprisingly solid this season but it seems like he's coming back down to earth.

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Matt Lindstrom had a meltdown tonight too. It's his second in less than a week.

 

He's been surprisingly solid this season but it seems like he's coming back down to earth.

 

 

 

1.61 WHIP. I don't know why his WHIP's are continuously so high, but that's not a number I'd want for my "closer." He has great stuff, but he was hittable here, and is still very hittable, for some reason.

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That was just a really wacked up game. Before Maddon got ejected, the Jays were getting so many calls it was ridiculous. And the umps have been absolutely, 100 percent completely terrible to the Rays this year. Once Maddon dished out a heck of a lot of frustration on that umpiring crew (which deserved it as they personally have screwed the Rays this year) it seemed like every single borderline call went the Rays way. I could understand Gregg's frustration, although it certainly was partially his fault, there were a lot of borderline calls that weren't going his way and the game could have really been over before the lead changed.

 

If Gregg were my closer I'd be really fed up after that, but he's not and I feel like looking at it impartially, it wasn't all his fault.

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Every time I see on the news about Gregg or Lindstrom melting down I feel like lighting a cigar. Like already pointed out, Lindstrom got off on a good start this year, but I was so glad when the Fish got rid of both those guys.

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Matt Lindstrom had a meltdown tonight too. It's his second in less than a week.

 

He's been surprisingly solid this season but it seems like he's coming back down to earth.

 

 

 

1.61 WHIP. I don't know why his WHIP's are continuously so high, but that's not a number I'd want for my "closer." He has great stuff, but he was hittable here, and is still very hittable, for some reason.

 

Career BABIP against of .337, .372 BABIP this year, lowest in a season is .321

 

He's still in "it's rather small sample size" area to say he'll always have that high of a BABIP (194 IP), but, it's certainly getting there.

 

His fast ball gets hit hard

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Every time I see on the news about Gregg or Lindstrom melting down I feel like lighting a cigar. Like already pointed out, Lindstrom got off on a good start this year, but I was so glad when the Fish got rid of both those guys.

 

 

Talked to both of them recently...they couldn't wait to get out of Florida. Just wait Leo will suck it up (hope he doesn't) and then you will want him out of town too. That's alright though because most of the players on Florida's squard are doing one thing and one thing only...trying to get the hell out of the state.

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Matt Lindstrom had a meltdown tonight too. It's his second in less than a week.

 

He's been surprisingly solid this season but it seems like he's coming back down to earth.

 

 

 

1.61 WHIP. I don't know why his WHIP's are continuously so high, but that's not a number I'd want for my "closer." He has great stuff, but he was hittable here, and is still very hittable, for some reason.

 

You know I got to come back and defend this right? Can't argue with the WHIP thing, however, he has only had 2 meltdowns so far this year and both of them were because of nagging injury (he is having a problem with his landing hip this year). When he feels 100% he is rather effective. 22 consecutive saves before he blew the one isn't bad-getting the job done anyways. His second half of the year is usually better so for him to have decent numbers in the first half is good for him. Needless to say he wouldn't hurt anyones bullpen, especially not the Marlins this year...correct me if I'm wrong.

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Matt Lindstrom had a meltdown tonight too. It's his second in less than a week.

 

He's been surprisingly solid this season but it seems like he's coming back down to earth.

 

 

 

1.61 WHIP. I don't know why his WHIP's are continuously so high, but that's not a number I'd want for my "closer." He has great stuff, but he was hittable here, and is still very hittable, for some reason.

 

You know I got to come back and defend this right? Can't argue with the WHIP thing, however, he has only had 2 meltdowns so far this year and both of them were because of nagging injury (he is having a problem with his landing hip this year). When he feels 100% he is rather effective. 22 consecutive saves before he blew the one isn't bad-getting the job done anyways. His second half of the year is usually better so for him to have decent numbers in the first half is good for him. Needless to say he wouldn't hurt anyones bullpen, especially not the Marlins this year...correct me if I'm wrong.

 

HE HAS A 1.61 WHIP!!!!!

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Matt Lindstrom had a meltdown tonight too. It's his second in less than a week.

 

He's been surprisingly solid this season but it seems like he's coming back down to earth.

 

 

 

1.61 WHIP. I don't know why his WHIP's are continuously so high, but that's not a number I'd want for my "closer." He has great stuff, but he was hittable here, and is still very hittable, for some reason.

 

You know I got to come back and defend this right? Can't argue with the WHIP thing, however, he has only had 2 meltdowns so far this year and both of them were because of nagging injury (he is having a problem with his landing hip this year). When he feels 100% he is rather effective. 22 consecutive saves before he blew the one isn't bad-getting the job done anyways. His second half of the year is usually better so for him to have decent numbers in the first half is good for him. Needless to say he wouldn't hurt anyones bullpen, especially not the Marlins this year...correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I fully understand why you defend him, but as a baseball fan, it is what it is. It seems everytime he struggles, you seem to make the excuse of nagging injuries, which over the course of the year everyone has. If he's truly injured, perhaps he shouldn't be forcing himself to pitch because you can't help your team when injured (which he should've learned last year).

 

The WHIP is high, and he's now had a long enough career to admit that he's quite hittable. He doesn't have dominant, consistent strikeout stuff, and over the course of his career, he's allowed more hits than innings pitched (this year being no different). I don't understand why; he has good velocity on his fastball, and unlike some who continually say he's flat, I don't see that. I actually think his fastball has gained more movement over the years, from what I've seen...especially the couple of times I've seen him this year.

 

WHIP is an important statistic, as well. It's unreasonable to suggest his ERA will remain under 3, with a WHIP at 1.61. His career WHIP is 1.46, and his ERA is just under 4. Basically, he's Kevin Gregg, only that Gregg allows the longball more, while Lindstrom is more of a groundball pitcher.

 

Truthfully, the comments on this thread about Gregg and Lindstrom are not fair because they truly weren't/aren't that bad, but at the end of the day, they're relievers I don't miss. They're your average major league relievers.

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Every time I see on the news about Gregg or Lindstrom melting down I feel like lighting a cigar. Like already pointed out, Lindstrom got off on a good start this year, but I was so glad when the Fish got rid of both those guys.

 

 

Talked to both of them recently...they couldn't wait to get out of Florida. Just wait Leo will suck it up (hope he doesn't) and then you will want him out of town too. That's alright though because most of the players on Florida's squard are doing one thing and one thing only...trying to get the hell out of the state.

 

 

For some odd reason, I think you hope he does. :p

 

Leo has been really good thus far this year, and his current numbers for the first 2 months of the season don't suggest a dropoff, at all. Ever since they found out he was tipping his pitches in Spring Training, and got that corrected with him, he's been downright dominant.

 

As for your last sentence...I think you're just being bitter. If everyone on the Marlins is trying to leave, the team sure as hell is doing good then, being 1 game over .500. Much better than what I could say for the Astros, at the moment. :thumbup

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Every time I see on the news about Gregg or Lindstrom melting down I feel like lighting a cigar. Like already pointed out, Lindstrom got off on a good start this year, but I was so glad when the Fish got rid of both those guys.

 

 

Talked to both of them recently...they couldn't wait to get out of Florida. Just wait Leo will suck it up (hope he doesn't) and then you will want him out of town too. That's alright though because most of the players on Florida's squard are doing one thing and one thing only...trying to get the hell out of the state.

 

 

For some odd reason, I think you hope he does. :p

 

Leo has been really good thus far this year, and his current numbers for the first 2 months of the season don't suggest a dropoff, at all. Ever since they found out he was tipping his pitches in Spring Training, and got that corrected with him, he's been downright dominant.

 

As for your last sentence...I think you're just being bitter. If everyone on the Marlins is trying to leave, the team sure as hell is doing good then, being 1 game over .500. Much better than what I could say for the Astros, at the moment. :thumbup

 

I have a vague recollection of hating Nunez last year... was this unfounded?

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Matt Lindstrom had a meltdown tonight too. It's his second in less than a week.

 

He's been surprisingly solid this season but it seems like he's coming back down to earth.

 

 

 

1.61 WHIP. I don't know why his WHIP's are continuously so high, but that's not a number I'd want for my "closer." He has great stuff, but he was hittable here, and is still very hittable, for some reason.

Because his stuff isnt great. Yes, he has a fastball that touches 100, but it is extremely flat and none of his other pitches are even average.

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Matt Lindstrom had a meltdown tonight too. It's his second in less than a week.

 

He's been surprisingly solid this season but it seems like he's coming back down to earth.

 

 

 

1.61 WHIP. I don't know why his WHIP's are continuously so high, but that's not a number I'd want for my "closer." He has great stuff, but he was hittable here, and is still very hittable, for some reason.

Because his stuff isnt great. Yes, he has a fastball that touches 100, but it is extremely flat and none of his other pitches are even average.

 

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Matt Lindstrom had a meltdown tonight too. It's his second in less than a week.

 

He's been surprisingly solid this season but it seems like he's coming back down to earth.

 

 

 

1.61 WHIP. I don't know why his WHIP's are continuously so high, but that's not a number I'd want for my "closer." He has great stuff, but he was hittable here, and is still very hittable, for some reason.

 

You know I got to come back and defend this right? Can't argue with the WHIP thing, however, he has only had 2 meltdowns so far this year and both of them were because of nagging injury (he is having a problem with his landing hip this year). When he feels 100% he is rather effective. 22 consecutive saves before he blew the one isn't bad-getting the job done anyways. His second half of the year is usually better so for him to have decent numbers in the first half is good for him. Needless to say he wouldn't hurt anyones bullpen, especially not the Marlins this year...correct me if I'm wrong.

 

HE HAS A 1.61 WHIP!!!!!

 

Long season left there buddy it will go down...relax!

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Matt Lindstrom had a meltdown tonight too. It's his second in less than a week.

 

He's been surprisingly solid this season but it seems like he's coming back down to earth.

 

 

 

1.61 WHIP. I don't know why his WHIP's are continuously so high, but that's not a number I'd want for my "closer." He has great stuff, but he was hittable here, and is still very hittable, for some reason.

Because his stuff isnt great. Yes, he has a fastball that touches 100, but it is extremely flat and none of his other pitches are even average.

 

 

His fastball is not flat. It's a 96-97 mph 2-seamer, really. His secondary pitches aren't consistent enough, so I guess hitters just sit on the fastball, I guess.

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Matt Lindstrom had a meltdown tonight too. It's his second in less than a week.

 

He's been surprisingly solid this season but it seems like he's coming back down to earth.

 

 

 

1.61 WHIP. I don't know why his WHIP's are continuously so high, but that's not a number I'd want for my "closer." He has great stuff, but he was hittable here, and is still very hittable, for some reason.

 

You know I got to come back and defend this right? Can't argue with the WHIP thing, however, he has only had 2 meltdowns so far this year and both of them were because of nagging injury (he is having a problem with his landing hip this year). When he feels 100% he is rather effective. 22 consecutive saves before he blew the one isn't bad-getting the job done anyways. His second half of the year is usually better so for him to have decent numbers in the first half is good for him. Needless to say he wouldn't hurt anyones bullpen, especially not the Marlins this year...correct me if I'm wrong.

 

I fully understand why you defend him, but as a baseball fan, it is what it is. It seems everytime he struggles, you seem to make the excuse of nagging injuries, which over the course of the year everyone has. If he's truly injured, perhaps he shouldn't be forcing himself to pitch because you can't help your team when injured (which he should've learned last year).

 

The WHIP is high, and he's now had a long enough career to admit that he's quite hittable. He doesn't have dominant, consistent strikeout stuff, and over the course of his career, he's allowed more hits than innings pitched (this year being no different). I don't understand why; he has good velocity on his fastball, and unlike some who continually say he's flat, I don't see that. I actually think his fastball has gained more movement over the years, from what I've seen...especially the couple of times I've seen him this year.

 

WHIP is an important statistic, as well. It's unreasonable to suggest his ERA will remain under 3, with a WHIP at 1.61. His career WHIP is 1.46, and his ERA is just under 4. Basically, he's Kevin Gregg, only that Gregg allows the longball more, while Lindstrom is more of a groundball pitcher.

 

Truthfully, the comments on this thread about Gregg and Lindstrom are not fair because they truly weren't/aren't that bad, but at the end of the day, they're relievers I don't miss. They're your average major league relievers.

 

Coming from the horses mouth directly. As for forcing himself to pitch, I agree, he shouldn't. I think you know as well as I do it's an ego thing even if it hurts the club. I think a lot of players do it.

 

WHIP to me is not that important if you are getting the job done. You can give up a meaningless hit or walk every inning and have no damage done. I am realistic and understand that increases your chances of damage but still, WHIP isn't everything especially if you don't give up the long ball often.

 

It's not unreasonable to suggest that his era will remain under 3. If so, then it's reasonable to suggest that Leo will regress back to his career 4.42 ERA and 1.31 WHIP because that is what the stats say. No where near Kevin Gregg, he hasn't walked 5 batters in the 9th inning yet. :p

 

You don't have to miss them, they are doing fine in other organizations. Average or not they are still playing at the highest level in important roles. They must be doing something right? Otherwise they wouldn't be playing at all. :thumbup

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