RVH down

[fanofthefish]

I saw in my newspaper that RVH was optioned to NOLA and see that Marlins will activate Pinto from rehab assignment on Tuesday.

[gizmo]

I didn't think they'd option RVH right now. How many options does he have left?

[Nny]

I didn't think they'd option RVH right now. How many options does he have left?

 

 

This is his last option year

[Anonymous]

I don't like this move.

[alejandrasnow]

I don't like this move.

 

 

Me either. I would've liked to send someone else down and kept RVH. Who else do we have to do long relief?

[MarlinKidd101]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Rabbethan]

I rather keep RVH and send off Sosa but it's good to see Pinto back.

[Hanley2Ramirez]

Why not send down maybin? Or even bonifacio we need the bullpen guys. Maybe they are thinking about calling west up soon

[Erick]

Why send down VandenHurk? As someone else said, if anything send down a position player (Maybin who needs AB's in the minors!), and carry an extra bullpen pitcher. Or get Jorge Sosa out of here!

[Dr Beinfest]

Why send down VandenHurk? As someone else said, if anything send down a position player (Maybin who needs AB's in the minors!), and carry an extra bullpen pitcher. Or get Jorge Sosa out of here!

 

 

surprisingly Jorge Sosa is the least of the bullpen worries. While he does suck he is probably the only arm who offers stability behind Hensley and Nunez.

 

This was really stupid though... barely even saw RVH before he was sent down.

[Erick]

Why send down VandenHurk? As someone else said, if anything send down a position player (Maybin who needs AB's in the minors!), and carry an extra bullpen pitcher. Or get Jorge Sosa out of here!

 

 

surprisingly Jorge Sosa is the least of the bullpen worries. While he does suck he is probably the only arm who offers stability behind Hensley and Nunez.

 

This was really stupid though... barely even saw RVH before he was sent down.

 

 

Jorge Sosa? Stability? How?

[Dr Beinfest]

Why send down VandenHurk? As someone else said, if anything send down a position player (Maybin who needs AB's in the minors!), and carry an extra bullpen pitcher. Or get Jorge Sosa out of here!

 

 

surprisingly Jorge Sosa is the least of the bullpen worries. While he does suck he is probably the only arm who offers stability behind Hensley and Nunez.

 

This was really stupid though... barely even saw RVH before he was sent down.

 

 

Jorge Sosa? Stability? How?

 

He's guaranteed to give up runs, but he usually limits his damage. I almost apply that theory someone suggested way back when here that if you could have a pitcher who was guaranteed to give up 1 run in every inning he plays (a 9.00 ERA) but no more... I apply that to Sosa. Except he's more like 2 runs per inning lol. Point behind that is that the rest... they're all volatile. I cant trust putting any of them in any single game... even being up by like 5. But I can at least trust Sosa to limit damage in an inning if we already have built up a lead. Even if he's guaranteed to give up runs.

 

What irks me about Pinto is he doesnt care if he gives up a run so long as it's not charged to him. He probably leads the league in the past 4 years in inhereted runs.

[canada-marlin24]

yea i was actually hoping that bonifacio would get sent down.

 

i still really want to try rick in the 7th inning spot.

 

this is a stupid move.

[Erick]

Why send down VandenHurk? As someone else said, if anything send down a position player (Maybin who needs AB's in the minors!), and carry an extra bullpen pitcher. Or get Jorge Sosa out of here!

 

 

surprisingly Jorge Sosa is the least of the bullpen worries. While he does suck he is probably the only arm who offers stability behind Hensley and Nunez.

 

This was really stupid though... barely even saw RVH before he was sent down.

 

 

Jorge Sosa? Stability? How?

 

He's guaranteed to give up runs, but he usually limits his damage. I almost apply that theory someone suggested way back when here that if you could have a pitcher who was guaranteed to give up 1 run in every inning he plays (a 9.00 ERA) but no more... I apply that to Sosa. Except he's more like 2 runs per inning lol. Point behind that is that the rest... they're all volatile. I cant trust putting any of them in any single game... even being up by like 5. But I can at least trust Sosa to limit damage in an inning if we already have built up a lead. Even if he's guaranteed to give up runs.

 

What irks me about Pinto is he doesnt care if he gives up a run so long as it's not charged to him. He probably leads the league in the past 4 years in inhereted runs.

 

 

Pinto has been average in the inherited runners department the past couple of years. He just allows a lot of baserunners because of the amount of walks he gives up, but if anything he fits the definition of "limiting damage." Not Jorge Sosa. Jorge Sosa is just bad. A major league left-handed hitter must drool everytime Jorge Sosa is on the mound.

[Rabbethan]

Why send down VandenHurk? As someone else said, if anything send down a position player (Maybin who needs AB's in the minors!), and carry an extra bullpen pitcher. Or get Jorge Sosa out of here!

 

 

surprisingly Jorge Sosa is the least of the bullpen worries. While he does suck he is probably the only arm who offers stability behind Hensley and Nunez.

 

This was really stupid though... barely even saw RVH before he was sent down.

 

 

Jorge Sosa? Stability? How?

 

He's guaranteed to give up runs, but he usually limits his damage. I almost apply that theory someone suggested way back when here that if you could have a pitcher who was guaranteed to give up 1 run in every inning he plays (a 9.00 ERA) but no more... I apply that to Sosa. Except he's more like 2 runs per inning lol. Point behind that is that the rest... they're all volatile. I cant trust putting any of them in any single game... even being up by like 5. But I can at least trust Sosa to limit damage in an inning if we already have built up a lead. Even if he's guaranteed to give up runs.

 

What irks me about Pinto is he doesnt care if he gives up a run so long as it's not charged to him. He probably leads the league in the past 4 years in inhereted runs.

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!! HOW DOES THIS KEEP COMING UP?!?! IT'S NOTHING BUT GUYS WHO POST A LOT, HOW CAN THEY KEEP PUSHING THIS WRONG NO MATTER HOW OFTEN THEY'RE CORRECTED?!?!?!

 

Pinto, in his career, has a 28% Inherited Runners Scorrng %. League average in that time has been 32%. He's been better than average.

 

Come on guys, you post here all the time, this has been corrected a million times. He doesn't give up a lot of inherited runners. That's a lie. There is no opinion here, there is no stats vs old-school-baseball here, there are only truths. To say he gives up a lot of IR is being either ignorant or an outright liar.

[Hanley2Ramirez]

Jorge Sosa = Jose veras

[Anonymous]

Rab needs a chill pill.

[Erick]

Jorge Sosa = Jose veras

 

 

 

I'd actually rather have Jose Veras on the team.

[Nny]

What I don't understand is keeping Buente up and not using him

[Schnellders]

What I don't understand is keeping Buente up and not using him

 

 

That my friend is a common element of Fredi Gonzalez's bullpen management "skills".

 

I can understand sending down RVH on the basis that he will be starting in AAA and they still reckon he may work out serviceable in that role however I was hoping he could be our 7th inning guy

[BroncoBob27]

Why send down VandenHurk? As someone else said, if anything send down a position player (Maybin who needs AB's in the minors!), and carry an extra bullpen pitcher. Or get Jorge Sosa out of here!

 

 

surprisingly Jorge Sosa is the least of the bullpen worries. While he does suck he is probably the only arm who offers stability behind Hensley and Nunez.

 

This was really stupid though... barely even saw RVH before he was sent down.

 

 

Jorge Sosa? Stability? How?

 

He's guaranteed to give up runs, but he usually limits his damage. I almost apply that theory someone suggested way back when here that if you could have a pitcher who was guaranteed to give up 1 run in every inning he plays (a 9.00 ERA) but no more... I apply that to Sosa. Except he's more like 2 runs per inning lol. Point behind that is that the rest... they're all volatile. I cant trust putting any of them in any single game... even being up by like 5. But I can at least trust Sosa to limit damage in an inning if we already have built up a lead. Even if he's guaranteed to give up runs.

 

What irks me about Pinto is he doesnt care if he gives up a run so long as it's not charged to him. He probably leads the league in the past 4 years in inhereted runs.

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!! HOW DOES THIS KEEP COMING UP?!?! IT'S NOTHING BUT GUYS WHO POST A LOT, HOW CAN THEY KEEP PUSHING THIS WRONG NO MATTER HOW OFTEN THEY'RE CORRECTED?!?!?!

 

Pinto, in his career, has a 28% Inherited Runners Scorrng %. League average in that time has been 32%. He's been better than average.

 

Come on guys, you post here all the time, this has been corrected a million times. He doesn't give up a lot of inherited runners. That's a lie. There is no opinion here, there is no stats vs old-school-baseball here, there are only truths. To say he gives up a lot of IR is being either ignorant or an outright liar.

 

I think that part said it all. But Pinto has always been the fans' stomping boy in the pen. And any stomping boy gets the wild accusations and exagerrations. It's just the way it is.

 

I've always said that I don't mind Pinto at all. With him you know what kind of outing he is going to have within his first few pitches.

[Erick]

I think that part said it all. But Pinto has always been the fans' stomping boy in the pen. And any stomping boy gets the wild accusations and exagerrations. It's just the way it is.

 

I've always said that I don't mind Pinto at all. With him you know what kind of outing he is going to have within his first few pitches.

 

 

Kind of like you with Gaby Sanchez.

[Dr Beinfest]

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!! HOW DOES THIS KEEP COMING UP?!?! IT'S NOTHING BUT GUYS WHO POST A LOT, HOW CAN THEY KEEP PUSHING THIS WRONG NO MATTER HOW OFTEN THEY'RE CORRECTED?!?!?!

 

Pinto, in his career, has a 28% Inherited Runners Scorrng %. League average in that time has been 32%. He's been better than average.

 

Come on guys, you post here all the time, this has been corrected a million times. He doesn't give up a lot of inherited runners. That's a lie. There is no opinion here, there is no stats vs old-school-baseball here, there are only truths. To say he gives up a lot of IR is being either ignorant or an outright liar.

 

 

Totally ignorant. You caught me Rab. Being ignorant.

 

He's given up 30+ IR in the past 4 years. But you know what... that's not even the point. In 2007, if I do recall, Pinto got off to a very, very good start. Even I was a fan. He'd kept his ERA in general below like 2.50 if I remember correctly. And then post-allstar came around... and he was terrible. But let's just exclude that year... which was at 21% which is heavily weighing down making him "above average" (by the way being average means you are not in the playoffs, if you didnt catch on there) and he shoots all the way up to 32.5%. This year he's at 42%, despite it being a short season so far for him. But please, do take a look:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/5926

 

Wait... who is that on the list earlier this season? Renyel Pinto!

 

Not to mention... inheriting a runner on 1st base is not the key point behind Renyel. Most of the IRS charged to Pinto are with RISP. His IS% is low because he is able to get out of innings where he gets a guy inherited on 1st base. But whenever higher pressure is put on Pinto, he comes in the came all relaxed, and over half the time he lets the guy on third score. And then strikes out the side. He sucks under pressure, period. Even when not under pressure, he's barely even average. So even then, statistics do not tell the whole story. I'm sure if they had a statistic for IRiSPS% it'd be slightly more skewed. Below average. Because he's bad.

 

But then again I'm just a liar. There is certainly no opinion here. All lies.

[Nny]

If you exclude whenever someone is good, everyone is bad

[Dr Beinfest]

Except my point was that in recent history, note why I said the last 4 years... Renyel Pinto has been a champ at letting inherited runners score. It just so happens that really, it's more like 3. I'm sorry my memory is not perfect. But regardless, Rab pulled up statistics of 5 years.

 

And when you've got 3 consecutive bad seasons why does the two good seasons before matter? That doesnt make the Renyel Pinto we know of now any better because he was good 2 years ago? Especially when I specifically tried to note the bad version of Renyel, not the good one who existed once upon a time.