August 17, 201016 yr http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100817/ap_on_re_us/us_lesbian_yearbook_flap This makes about as much sense as it would her to claim gender discrimination for having to use the girl locker room. News flash, you have tits and a puss...what you do on your own time is your own business, but you can't wear a tux with the boys....even though you look like one.
August 17, 201016 yr http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100817/ap_on_re_us/us_lesbian_yearbook_flap This makes about as much sense as it would her to claim gender discrimination for having to use the girl locker room. News flash, you have tits and a puss...what you do on your own time is your own business, but you can't wear a tux with the boys....even though you look like one. I mean this with all due respect: That's one of the dumbest sentences I have ever read.
August 17, 201016 yr He's pretty good lookin. Rocking the Justin Bieber haircut too The resemblance is uncanny :lol
August 17, 201016 yr http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100817/ap_on_re_us/us_lesbian_yearbook_flap This makes about as much sense as it would her to claim gender discrimination for having to use the girl locker room. News flash, you have tits and a puss...what you do on your own time is your own business, but you can't wear a tux with the boys....even though you look like one. I mean this with all due respect: That's one of the dumbest sentences I have ever read. Boy, the bullpen has been a bastion of close mindedness recently, huh.
August 19, 201016 yr That guy is probably the biggest ladies man in the school. That's fantastic. :notworthy
August 19, 201016 yr http://news.yahoo.co...n_yearbook_flap This makes about as much sense as it would her to claim gender discrimination for having to use the girl locker room. News flash, you have tits and a puss...what you do on your own time is your own business, but you can't wear a tux with the boys....even though you look like one. I mean this with all due respect: That's one of the dumbest sentences I have ever read. Boy, the bullpen has been a bastion of close mindedness recently, huh. Seems like it.
August 19, 201016 yr http://news.yahoo.co...n_yearbook_flap This makes about as much sense as it would her to claim gender discrimination for having to use the girl locker room. News flash, you have tits and a puss...what you do on your own time is your own business, but you can't wear a tux with the boys....even though you look like one. I mean this with all due respect: That's one of the dumbest sentences I have ever read. Boy, the bullpen has been a bastion of close mindedness recently, huh. Seems like it. What they said. I love how he starts the thread as if he thinks he has an intelligent opinion on the matter.
August 19, 201016 yr http://news.yahoo.co...n_yearbook_flap This makes about as much sense as it would her to claim gender discrimination for having to use the girl locker room. News flash, you have tits and a puss...what you do on your own time is your own business, but you can't wear a tux with the boys....even though you look like one. I mean this with all due respect: That's one of the dumbest sentences I have ever read. Boy, the bullpen has been a bastion of close mindedness recently, huh. Seems like it. What they said. I love how he starts the thread as if he thinks he has an intelligent opinion on the matter. AN intelligent opinion or the intelligent opinion? Just how many intelligent opinions do you believe there are on this - be truthful.
August 19, 201016 yr "News flash, you have tits and a puss...what you do on your own time is your own business, but you can't wear a tux with the boys....even though you look like one." This is not an intelligent opinion. Do I have my own opinion on this issue? Yes. Is there another side capable? Yes. Is it feasible to phrase both sides respectfully and intelligently? Yes. Does his post accomplish that? Absolutely not. An example of an intelligent opinion? "The school has a longstanding tradition which consists of boys and girls wearing certain traditional attire at a ceremonial event. I think states should have the right to decide individually whether public schools should be able to require students to conform to certain dress standards in order to participate in school-sponsored activities." While I don't agree with the assertion, it is respectful and invokes reason.
August 19, 201016 yr Perhaps if that's what you define to be an intelligent opinion. I'd call that being articulate. It's as if someone posted this article and wrote "just cuz she got some tits and a puss dont mean she needa act and be llke the girls.' I woouldn't go as far as to say that isn't an intelligent opinion just because it's coarse and insensitive - the rationale behind it could still be sensible. With that said, the opinion that the OP is defending could still be intelligent; he just didn't do a very good job of communicating it.
August 19, 201016 yr legislating taste has and will always a very, very slippery slope as long as the attire doesnt have anything crazily offensive (nazi, swears, nudity, etc. etc.)...she should be able to wear whatever the hell she pleases
August 19, 201016 yr If she's a Lesbian, she's got no right to pretend she's a man. If she's trans-gender or trans-sexual, then that's a different story.
August 20, 201016 yr Perhaps if that's what you define to be an intelligent opinion. I'd call that being articulate. It's as if someone posted this article and wrote "just cuz she got some tits and a puss dont mean she needa act and be llke the girls.' I woouldn't go as far as to say that isn't an intelligent opinion just because it's coarse and insensitive - the rationale behind it could still be sensible. With that said, the opinion that the OP is defending could still be intelligent; he just didn't do a very good job of communicating it. First of all, there was absolutely no attempt made at articulateness. And there is a certain decorum required by what I consider "intelligent" discussion. But I suppose that is a semantics issue. I also read his post for content. It's still not intelligent. He gives no reason why she can't where a tux except that "she can't". If she's a Lesbian, she's got no right to pretend she's a man. If she's trans-gender or trans-sexual, then that's a different story. This would be an absurd standard. The school has no right to this information, of course.
August 20, 201016 yr Perhaps if that's what you define to be an intelligent opinion. I'd call that being articulate. It's as if someone posted this article and wrote "just cuz she got some tits and a puss dont mean she needa act and be llke the girls.' I woouldn't go as far as to say that isn't an intelligent opinion just because it's coarse and insensitive - the rationale behind it could still be sensible. With that said, the opinion that the OP is defending could still be intelligent; he just didn't do a very good job of communicating it. First of all, there was absolutely no attempt made at articulateness. And there is a certain decorum required by what I consider "intelligent" discussion. But I suppose that is a semantics issue. That's what I mean. It wasn't articulate and I don't think that makes the opinion unintelligent, just poorly communicated with no actual argument. But I agree, we're just arguing semantics here.
August 20, 201016 yr Perhaps if that's what you define to be an intelligent opinion. I'd call that being articulate. It's as if someone posted this article and wrote "just cuz she got some tits and a puss dont mean she needa act and be llke the girls.' I woouldn't go as far as to say that isn't an intelligent opinion just because it's coarse and insensitive - the rationale behind it could still be sensible. With that said, the opinion that the OP is defending could still be intelligent; he just didn't do a very good job of communicating it. First of all, there was absolutely no attempt made at articulateness. And there is a certain decorum required by what I consider "intelligent" discussion. But I suppose that is a semantics issue. I also read his post for content. It's still not intelligent. He gives no reason why she can't where a tux except that "she can't". If she's a Lesbian, she's got no right to pretend she's a man. If she's trans-gender or trans-sexual, then that's a different story. This would be an absurd standard. The school has no right to this information, of course. What do you mean? I completely disagree. She wants to wear a tuxedo because she is a tomboy. She likes the style of dressing as a man. Yeah, if you want to be liberal in students decision-making, that's fine. But there is still a dresscode, and that doesnt make exceptions for 'special' people. She is equal to the rest of us. This would be equivalent to a straight person who just so happens to be a crossdresser wanting to wear the opposite sex's clothes. She calls herself a lesbian. Im sure she knows the difference between a transgender (someone who appears as or wishes to be considered the opposite sex). She likes girls, that doesnt make her a boy. She can dress like a boy in public, fine, but this would be the only way I would see it fair for a woman to be wearing man's clothing. Do remember, a transgender has not had an operation, that would be a transexual. She's a lesbian, end of story. What the hell do you think would happen if a straight person tried to do this just out of his or her own interest? Being equal to all sorts of races, ethnicities, religions, and sexual orientations does not mean you need to treat them differently or with any more of a priveledge just because they get less of a priveledge elsewhere. Reverse prejudice is equivalent to prejudice in its own right. We are all equal, the same, no difference, yada yada. I dont know who said it... but I completely agree. This is what you'd like to call a media whore/cash-in opportunity. She isnt standing for what she believes in, she's making a scene and the media is eating it up.
August 20, 201016 yr Perhaps if that's what you define to be an intelligent opinion. I'd call that being articulate. It's as if someone posted this article and wrote "just cuz she got some tits and a puss dont mean she needa act and be llke the girls.' I woouldn't go as far as to say that isn't an intelligent opinion just because it's coarse and insensitive - the rationale behind it could still be sensible. With that said, the opinion that the OP is defending could still be intelligent; he just didn't do a very good job of communicating it. First of all, there was absolutely no attempt made at articulateness. And there is a certain decorum required by what I consider "intelligent" discussion. But I suppose that is a semantics issue. I also read his post for content. It's still not intelligent. He gives no reason why she can't where a tux except that "she can't". If she's a Lesbian, she's got no right to pretend she's a man. If she's trans-gender or trans-sexual, then that's a different story. This would be an absurd standard. The school has no right to this information, of course. What do you mean? I completely disagree. She wants to wear a tuxedo because she is a tomboy. She likes the style of dressing as a man. Yeah, if you want to be liberal in students decision-making, that's fine. But there is still a dresscode, and that doesnt make exceptions for 'special' people. She is equal to the rest of us. This would be equivalent to a straight person who just so happens to be a crossdresser wanting to wear the opposite sex's clothes. She calls herself a lesbian. Im sure she knows the difference between a transgender (someone who appears as or wishes to be considered the opposite sex). She likes girls, that doesnt make her a boy. She can dress like a boy in public, fine, but this would be the only way I would see it fair for a woman to be wearing man's clothing. Do remember, a transgender has not had an operation, that would be a transexual. She's a lesbian, end of story. What the hell do you think would happen if a straight person tried to do this just out of his or her own interest? Being equal to all sorts of races, ethnicities, religions, and sexual orientations does not mean you need to treat them differently or with any more of a priveledge just because they get less of a priveledge elsewhere. Reverse prejudice is equivalent to prejudice in its own right. We are all equal, the same, no difference, yada yada. I dont know who said it... but I completely agree. This is what you'd like to call a media whore/cash-in opportunity. She isnt standing for what she believes in, she's making a scene and the media is eating it up. because their standard is ridiculous to begin with, nevermind the legal side of the argument which would nothing short of a complete mockery in any court room in this country in the united states of america, you can wear whatever you want, whenever you want...within reason of course but then again...im sensing someone who believes in the liberal media conspiracy, correct?
August 20, 201016 yr Author http://news.yahoo.co...n_yearbook_flap This makes about as much sense as it would her to claim gender discrimination for having to use the girl locker room. News flash, you have tits and a puss...what you do on your own time is your own business, but you can't wear a tux with the boys....even though you look like one. I mean this with all due respect: That's one of the dumbest sentences I have ever read. Boy, the bullpen has been a bastion of close mindedness recently, huh. Seems like it. When it come to homosexuality...I am absolutely close-minded. I also want to state that I was posting out of anger and frustration of the stupidity of the entire issue, resulting in the immaturity of the comment. I do still feel that way, maybe just wasn't the best way of saying it.
August 20, 201016 yr Author http://news.yahoo.co...n_yearbook_flap This makes about as much sense as it would her to claim gender discrimination for having to use the girl locker room. News flash, you have tits and a puss...what you do on your own time is your own business, but you can't wear a tux with the boys....even though you look like one. I mean this with all due respect: That's one of the dumbest sentences I have ever read. Boy, the bullpen has been a bastion of close mindedness recently, huh. Seems like it. What they said. I love how he starts the thread as if he thinks he has an intelligent opinion on the matter. You may sit behind a desk for a living with computer access...I don't. If you review my post history, you'll see that I get on here maybe once or twice a week. I have higher priority things going on in my life than to come see what you think about my opinion. This forum is a spare time thing in my life; it isn't my life.
August 20, 201016 yr Author Perhaps if that's what you define to be an intelligent opinion. I'd call that being articulate. It's as if someone posted this article and wrote "just cuz she got some tits and a puss dont mean she needa act and be llke the girls.' I woouldn't go as far as to say that isn't an intelligent opinion just because it's coarse and insensitive - the rationale behind it could still be sensible. With that said, the opinion that the OP is defending could still be intelligent; he just didn't do a very good job of communicating it. First of all, there was absolutely no attempt made at articulateness. And there is a certain decorum required by what I consider "intelligent" discussion. But I suppose that is a semantics issue. That's what I mean. It wasn't articulate and I don't think that makes the opinion unintelligent, just poorly communicated with no actual argument. But I agree, we're just arguing semantics here. My support is that she is a girl, not a guy. Therefore, she should wear girl clothes, just like all the other girls. I though that was clear. I apologize for that. I was in no way, however, trying to spare another person's opinion or feelings. I don't care about sensitivity, nor do I expect any of you to worry about my feelings
August 20, 201016 yr Perhaps if that's what you define to be an intelligent opinion. I'd call that being articulate. It's as if someone posted this article and wrote "just cuz she got some tits and a puss dont mean she needa act and be llke the girls.' I woouldn't go as far as to say that isn't an intelligent opinion just because it's coarse and insensitive - the rationale behind it could still be sensible. With that said, the opinion that the OP is defending could still be intelligent; he just didn't do a very good job of communicating it. First of all, there was absolutely no attempt made at articulateness. And there is a certain decorum required by what I consider "intelligent" discussion. But I suppose that is a semantics issue. I also read his post for content. It's still not intelligent. He gives no reason why she can't where a tux except that "she can't". If she's a Lesbian, she's got no right to pretend she's a man. If she's trans-gender or trans-sexual, then that's a different story. This would be an absurd standard. The school has no right to this information, of course. What do you mean? I completely disagree. She wants to wear a tuxedo because she is a tomboy. She likes the style of dressing as a man. Yeah, if you want to be liberal in students decision-making, that's fine. But there is still a dresscode, and that doesnt make exceptions for 'special' people. She is equal to the rest of us. This would be equivalent to a straight person who just so happens to be a crossdresser wanting to wear the opposite sex's clothes. She calls herself a lesbian. Im sure she knows the difference between a transgender (someone who appears as or wishes to be considered the opposite sex). She likes girls, that doesnt make her a boy. She can dress like a boy in public, fine, but this would be the only way I would see it fair for a woman to be wearing man's clothing. Do remember, a transgender has not had an operation, that would be a transexual. She's a lesbian, end of story. What the hell do you think would happen if a straight person tried to do this just out of his or her own interest? Being equal to all sorts of races, ethnicities, religions, and sexual orientations does not mean you need to treat them differently or with any more of a priveledge just because they get less of a priveledge elsewhere. Reverse prejudice is equivalent to prejudice in its own right. We are all equal, the same, no difference, yada yada. I dont know who said it... but I completely agree. This is what you'd like to call a media whore/cash-in opportunity. She isnt standing for what she believes in, she's making a scene and the media is eating it up. As to the last point - according to the article, she filed this suit a while before the other issue with the girl wanting to bring her girlfriend as date. As for the rest - you're mostly off point. Her sexual identity should not be the crux of the issue. It should be irrelevant whether she has declared herself straight, gay, bisexual, or anywhere along the spectrum. [As far as the implications of the transgender/transsexual issue, this appears tougher to say. I suppose the fact that she's legally a female would be the key point in the issue, if gender identity were deemed relevant, but all those gray areas about when a person ceases to be one gender and legitimately is a member of the other gender makes this part quite murky.] The issue here is whether or not a public school should allow/be able to prohibit students wearing non-traditional clothing at [a] school function. Like you said, the dress code [and its proper make-up and enforcement] is the issue. There is nothing inherently "manly" about a tuxedo, by the way. Its association with males is obviously a societal construct. She's merely not conforming to society's standards, but she is certainly not defying any immutable laws of nature by being a female wearing a tuxedo.
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