Posted October 7, 201014 yr Give a grade and comments on the team based on what you saw THIS YEAR IN THE MAJORS. Let's not bring Minor League stats into this. Also, not going to bother with players who didn't play enough to warrant a grade (less than 50 PA, etc) Infielders Gaby Sanchez: Dan Uggla: Jorge Cantu: Hanley Ramirez: Chad Tracy: Wes Helms: Emilio Bonifacio: Catchers Ronny Paulino: John Baker: Brad Davis: Brett Hayes: Outfielders Cody Ross: Chris Coghlan: Cameron Maybin: Logan Morrison: Mike Stanton: Brett Carroll: Starters Josh Johnson: Ricky Nolasco: Anibal Sanchez: Chris Volstad: Andrew Miller: Nate Robertson: Alex Sanabia: Relievers Leo Nunez: Clay Hensley: Burke Badenhop: Brian Sanches: Jose Veras: Jorge Sosa: Tim Wood: Renyel Pinto: Chris Leroux: I'll add my rankings sometime later. Have at it!
October 7, 201014 yr Infielders Gaby Sanchez: B Dan Uggla: A+ Jorge Cantu: F Hanley Ramirez: B+ Chad Tracy: D Wes Helms: F Emilio Bonifacio: C+ Catchers Ronny Paulino: C John Baker: F Brad Davis: D Brett Hayes: F Outfielders Cody Ross: D Chris Coghlan: D- Cameron Maybin: D- Logan Morrison: B+ Mike Stanton: A Brett Carroll: F Starters Josh Johnson: A+ Ricky Nolasco: C Anibal Sanchez: B Chris Volstad: C- Andrew Miller: F - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Nate Robertson: D Alex Sanabia: B- Relievers Leo Nunez: B- Clay Hensley: A+ Burke Badenhop: C+ Brian Sanches: B+ Jose Veras: B- Jorge Sosa: D- Tim Wood: F Renyel Pinto: F Chris Leroux: F
October 7, 201014 yr Infielders Gaby Sanchez: B+ Dan Uggla: A+ Jorge Cantu: D+ Hanley Ramirez: B Chad Tracy: C- Wes Helms: F Emilio Bonifacio: C+ Catchers Ronny Paulino: C+ John Baker: Incomplete Brad Davis: C Brett Hayes: D Outfielders Cody Ross: C- Chris Coghlan: D Cameron Maybin: D Logan Morrison: A Mike Stanton: A Brett Carroll: D Starters Josh Johnson: A+ Ricky Nolasco: C+ Anibal Sanchez: B Chris Volstad: D+ Andrew Miller: ESE Nate Robertson: D- Alex Sanabia: B Relievers Leo Nunez: C+ Clay Hensley: A Burke Badenhop: B- Brian Sanches: B Jose Veras: B Jorge Sosa: D+ Tim Wood: F Renyel Pinto: D+ Chris Leroux: F
October 7, 201014 yr Author Infielders Gaby Sanchez: B/+ More or less exceeded some of our expectations on how much he'll produce. A few slumps here and there cost him a better chance at ROY Dan Uggla: A/+ A career year for Uggla. Please sign this man. Jorge Cantu: D+ I don't know what happened to him after April. He had an impressive RBI streak going and then slipped to mediocrity and below. Hanley Ramirez: B+ A down year for Hanley when you look at his numbers last season. Still, he was a force to be reckoned with after the hair incident. Chad Tracy: D An improvement defensively over Helms, but nothing special. Wes Helms: D-/F I still don't know why we signed him for next year again..... Emilio Bonifacio: B- I was impressed with what I saw from him this season in a utility role. Still not great, but improving. 12-0 on SB opportunities Catchers Ronny Paulino: C It's fair to say that he was simply worn out from having to play everyday. An .896 OPS vs. Lefties though is nothing to disregard. Plus him being suspended hurt as well John Baker: F He didn't have it from the get go and then got injured. Hope to see him back to form next year (in time for ST please) Brad Davis: D+ He had moments here and there of being useful, but was never consistent. Brett Hayes: D-/F See Brad Davis Outfielders Cody Ross: D+/C- Similar season to Cantu (almost to similar...). Too streaky with frequent slumps. Best of luck in the playoffs Cody. Chris Coghlan: D His first 2 months were horrendous. But from June 1st till he was injured his numbers were back to his ROY year, .874 OPS during those two months. Cameron Maybin: D- Put up or shut up next year for Maybin. We know you can be better than this. Logan Morrison: B+ Consistently reached base and even led the team in triples (7). Questionable defense at LF though. Mike Stanton: A He was what we expected and (almost) more. Was just .001 behind Uggla in SLG to lead the team. BEAST. Brett Carroll: F No comment Starters Josh Johnson: A The only reason he's not getting an A+ is for his performance in the 2nd half. He got into a lot a high pitch counts early, but still is a stud. CY Young next year? Ricky Nolasco: C- One of my biggest disappointments this season. Was rarely consistent. When he's on, he's ace-like. When not, he's Miller-like. Anibal Sanchez: B A big surprise for all of us. His first full season in a while and he showed up. Had a few hiccups along the way, but was once a question is now penciled into next years rotation. Chris Volstad: C- Had a nice stretch towards the end, but still not like his rookie season. Hopefully he can build off his finish into next season. Andrew Miller: F Lol Nate Robertson: D We got him for practically nothing, but that's what he gave us in return most of the time. Alex Sanabia: B Another surprise as well. Has potential to be great if he can get through the lineup the 3rd time around. Relievers Leo Nunez: B/- Ups and downs this year. Not sure if he'll be the closer next year (or even on the team). Would make a great setup man though. Clay Hensley: A+ Surprise player of the year. "Everyday Clay" was this years Kiko Calero but better. Burke Badenhop: C Did not start off too well but a stint in the minors fixed him up. Very reliable long man. Brian Sanches: B/+ You just wait for him to fizzle and show he's a fluke, but he proved that last year was not just a fluke at all. Jose Veras: C+/B- His performance at the beginning of the season hurt a lot. But he came back and surprised us all. Still not sure about him though Jorge Sosa: D/- Not many good things to say here. Tim Wood: F No comment Renyel Pinto: F An enigma wrapped in a riddle wrapped in a puzzle. Glad he's gone. Chris Leroux: F No comment
October 7, 201014 yr Whole team gets a F for not making the playoffs :thumbdown Apart from Mike Lamb, he deserves an A for air miles :thumbup
October 7, 201014 yr Why does Hanley get a lower grade than Uggla when offensively his rate stats were barely less, but he's better both defensively/positionally and on the basepaths? I mean, everyone has Uggla as being A+ and Hanley from B- to B+ Who cares about "expectations" and "last year" etc, it's about what he did in 2010 and nothing else. Just because Uggla played over his head and Hanley underperformed compared to previous years doesn't mean Uggla outperformed Hanley in '10.
October 7, 201014 yr Why does Hanley get a lower grade than Uggla when offensively his rate stats were barely less, but he's better both defensively/positionally and on the basepaths? I mean, everyone has Uggla as being A+ and Hanley from B- to B+ Who cares about "expectations" and "last year" etc, it's about what he did in 2010 and nothing else. Just because Uggla played over his head and Hanley underperformed compared to previous years doesn't mean Uggla outperformed Hanley in '10. I disagree, it's about what a player does compared to what he "can do". If Scott Cousins comes out next year and wins the MVP award, I will be much more impressed than if Hanley wins the award. (Yes, I know the difference between impressed and surprised, before someone fancies themselves a wit). When you go into a season, you expect certain numbers from certain players. When a "superstar" under performs and a former Rule 5 player has a career year, yes...he deserves a better "grade" in this thread and more accolades from the press and from fans. See: Carlos Gonzalez's 2010. He puts up those numbers, he's a "story" and all the hype surrounds him. Albert Pujols puts up similar numbers and it's just another year for Albert.
October 7, 201014 yr Infielders Gaby Sanchez: A Dan Uggla: A+ Jorge Cantu: F Hanley Ramirez: B Chad Tracy: C- Wes Helms: D- Emilio Bonifacio: B Catchers Ronny Paulino: C John Baker: F Brad Davis: C Brett Hayes: F Outfielders Cody Ross: C Chris Coghlan: D Cameron Maybin: D Logan Morrison: A Mike Stanton: A Brett Carroll: F Starters Josh Johnson: A+ Ricky Nolasco: C+ Anibal Sanchez: B+ Chris Volstad: C- Andrew Miller: (If there was a grade lower than an F, he would get it.) Nate Robertson: F Alex Sanabia: B+ Relievers Leo Nunez: C Clay Hensley: A Burke Badenhop: C Brian Sanches: B Jose Veras: B Jorge Sosa: F Tim Wood: F Renyel Pinto: D- Chris Leroux: F
October 7, 201014 yr Why does Hanley get a lower grade than Uggla when offensively his rate stats were barely less, but he's better both defensively/positionally and on the basepaths? I mean, everyone has Uggla as being A+ and Hanley from B- to B+ Who cares about "expectations" and "last year" etc, it's about what he did in 2010 and nothing else. Just because Uggla played over his head and Hanley underperformed compared to previous years doesn't mean Uggla outperformed Hanley in '10. I disagree, it's about what a player does compared to what he "can do". If Scott Cousins comes out next year and wins the MVP award, I will be much more impressed than if Hanley wins the award. (Yes, I know the difference between impressed and surprised, before someone fancies themselves a wit). When you go into a season, you expect certain numbers from certain players. When a "superstar" under performs and a former Rule 5 player has a career year, yes...he deserves a better "grade" in this thread and more accolades from the press and from fans. See: Carlos Gonzalez's 2010. He puts up those numbers, he's a "story" and all the hype surrounds him. Albert Pujols puts up similar numbers and it's just another year for Albert. No it isn't, at least not the way I look at it. We're grading a player's performance. Imagine if when you were in school you and someone else both got 23 out of 25 problems right on a test. If you were a good student and he was a bad student, should the teacher give you an 85% and the other student a 95%? Of course not. Hell, if I remember correctly you are a teacher so this analogy works even better.
October 7, 201014 yr No it isn't, at least not the way I look at it. We're grading a player's performance. Imagine if when you were in school you and someone else both got 23 out of 25 problems right on a test. If you were a good student and he was a bad student, should the teacher give you an 85% and the other student a 95%? Of course not. Hell, if I remember correctly you are a teacher so this analogy works even better. Yep, also kinda goes to the "Fish of the Year" thing. Hanley hasn't gotten a SINGLE vote but Uggla is running away with it; just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, I know WHY, but I think the logic is incredibly faulty. What matters in terms of value is what they do on the field. Everything else is nothing but fan fluff (Like Carlos Gonzalez v.s. Albert Pujols)
October 7, 201014 yr Why does Hanley get a lower grade than Uggla when offensively his rate stats were barely less, but he's better both defensively/positionally and on the basepaths? I mean, everyone has Uggla as being A+ and Hanley from B- to B+ Who cares about "expectations" and "last year" etc, it's about what he did in 2010 and nothing else. Just because Uggla played over his head and Hanley underperformed compared to previous years doesn't mean Uggla outperformed Hanley in '10. I keep looking at fangraphs WAR stats, and they are so different from baseball-reference. :banghead Regardless, Uggla did play the whole season, while Hanley missed games, specifically in that last month. I think games played is ignored often times, but Uggla only missed 3 games, while Hanley missed 25. So basically, that's 3 games in which Uggla meant nothing to the team, while Hanley did nothing for the team in 25 games because he was hurt. Uggla should get more credit, imo, for a larger sample size since we're looking at just this year.
October 7, 201014 yr I think Uggla does deserve more credit and better for us this year, but I don't think he was an A+ to Hanley being a B. I mean, people have Hanley under Gaby Sanchez.
October 7, 201014 yr Infielders Gaby Sanchez: C+ Dan Uggla: A Jorge Cantu: F Hanley Ramirez: B- Chad Tracy: C+ Wes Helms: F Outfielders Cody Ross: F Chris Coghlan: D+ Cameron Maybin: F Logan Morrison: B Mike Stanton: B+ Brett Carroll: F Starters Josh Johnson: A++ Ricky Nolasco: C- Anibal Sanchez: B Chris Volstad: C+ Andrew Miller: ____ doesnt even deserve a grade Nate Robertson: Who? Alex Sanabia: B+ Relievers Leo Nunez: C Clay Hensley: B+ Burke Badenhop: D Brian Sanches: D Jose Veras: C +/- Jorge Sosa: D Tim Wood: F Renyel Pinto: F Chris Leroux: F
October 7, 201014 yr Why does Hanley get a lower grade than Uggla when offensively his rate stats were barely less, but he's better both defensively/positionally and on the basepaths? I mean, everyone has Uggla as being A+ and Hanley from B- to B+ Who cares about "expectations" and "last year" etc, it's about what he did in 2010 and nothing else. Just because Uggla played over his head and Hanley underperformed compared to previous years doesn't mean Uggla outperformed Hanley in '10. I keep looking at fangraphs WAR stats, and they are so different from baseball-reference. :banghead Regardless, Uggla did play the whole season, while Hanley missed games, specifically in that last month. I think games played is ignored often times, but Uggla only missed 3 games, while Hanley missed 25. So basically, that's 3 games in which Uggla meant nothing to the team, while Hanley did nothing for the team in 25 games because he was hurt. Uggla should get more credit, imo, for a larger sample size since we're looking at just this year. On fangraphs there really isn't a difference at all, it's a 0.6 difference. WAR is not a "set in stone" thing especially considering how long of a road defensive stats still have to go. I certainly agree that games played is important, sample size, etc. But it's a 17 game difference, that's not exactly substantial. Overall, Hanley and Uggla had smiliar productive years. The difference between the two is incredibly minimal - and those differences point towards Uggla being more valuable - but they are just that, minimal.
October 7, 201014 yr Why does Hanley get a lower grade than Uggla when offensively his rate stats were barely less, but he's better both defensively/positionally and on the basepaths? I mean, everyone has Uggla as being A+ and Hanley from B- to B+ Who cares about "expectations" and "last year" etc, it's about what he did in 2010 and nothing else. Just because Uggla played over his head and Hanley underperformed compared to previous years doesn't mean Uggla outperformed Hanley in '10. I keep looking at fangraphs WAR stats, and they are so different from baseball-reference. :banghead Regardless, Uggla did play the whole season, while Hanley missed games, specifically in that last month. I think games played is ignored often times, but Uggla only missed 3 games, while Hanley missed 25. So basically, that's 3 games in which Uggla meant nothing to the team, while Hanley did nothing for the team in 25 games because he was hurt. Uggla should get more credit, imo, for a larger sample size since we're looking at just this year. On fangraphs there really isn't a difference at all, it's a 0.6 difference. WAR is not a "set in stone" thing especially considering how long of a road defensive stats still have to go. I certainly agree that games played is important, sample size, etc. But it's a 17 game difference, that's not exactly substantial. Overall, Hanley and Uggla had smiliar productive years. The difference between the two is incredibly minimal - and those differences point towards Uggla being more valuable - but they are just that, minimal. It's a .2 difference on baseball-reference. Also, I messed up with my numbers. Hanley missed 20 games, not 25 as I'm sure everyone already knows by now. I guess I underrated Hanley's performance this year.
October 7, 201014 yr Also, while this IN NO WAY is meant to change the perception of Hanley's 2010, in terms of looking forward of "can he go back to what he was before" In essence he only had one bad month (July, .252/.306/.273/.579). Outside of that month, he hit .313/.394/.520. Hanley's career line is .313/.385/.520. So we should certainly expect him to do what we're accustomed to next year - the chances of him having another "July" are slim. Again, doesn't change what he did in '10 - you can't just "remove" months. And my God was that extra base hit slump horrible. But that's not something to expect to happen to him.
October 7, 201014 yr Infielders Gaby Sanchez: A- Dan Uggla: A+ Jorge Cantu: C- Hanley Ramirez: B Chad Tracy: D Wes Helms: C+ Emilio Bonifacio: C+ Catchers Ronny Paulino: C- John Baker: F Brad Davis: B- Brett Hayes: C- Outfielders Cody Ross: B+ Chris Coghlan: F Cameron Maybin: B- Logan Morrison: A Mike Stanton: B Brett Carroll: D Starters Josh Johnson: A Ricky Nolasco: B Anibal Sanchez: A- Chris Volstad: B- Andrew Miller: F Nate Robertson: D Alex Sanabia: B+ Relievers Leo Nunez: B+ Clay Hensley: A Burke Badenhop: B- Brian Sanches: A- Jose Veras: C- Jorge Sosa: D Tim Wood: F Renyel Pinto: F Chris Leroux: D
October 7, 201014 yr Infielders Gaby Sanchez: B+ Dan Uggla: A- Jorge Cantu: D+ Hanley Ramirez: B Chad Tracy: C Wes Helms: D Emilio Bonifacio: B Catchers Ronny Paulino: C John Baker: F Brad Davis: B Brett Hayes: C Outfielders Cody Ross: D Chris Coghlan: F Cameron Maybin: D Logan Morrison: A- Mike Stanton: B+ Brett Carroll: F Starters Josh Johnson: A Ricky Nolasco: B- Anibal Sanchez: A- Chris Volstad: B Andrew Miller: heh. Nate Robertson: F Alex Sanabia:B Relievers Leo Nunez: D- Clay Hensley: A- Burke Badenhop: B- Brian Sanches: B+ Jose Veras:B Jorge Sosa: F. Tim Wood: F Renyel Pinto: F Chris Leroux: F
October 7, 201014 yr Infielders Gaby Sanchez: A- Dan Uggla: A+ Jorge Cantu: C- Hanley Ramirez: B Chad Tracy: D Wes Helms: C+ Emilio Bonifacio: C+ Catchers Ronny Paulino: C- John Baker: F Brad Davis: B- Brett Hayes: C- Outfielders Cody Ross: B+ Chris Coghlan: F Cameron Maybin: B- Logan Morrison: A Mike Stanton: B Brett Carroll: D Starters Josh Johnson: A Ricky Nolasco: B Anibal Sanchez: A- Chris Volstad: B- Andrew Miller: F Nate Robertson: D Alex Sanabia: B+ Relievers Leo Nunez: B+ Clay Hensley: A Burke Badenhop: B- Brian Sanches: A- Jose Veras: C- Jorge Sosa: D Tim Wood: F Renyel Pinto: F Chris Leroux: D Really?
October 7, 201014 yr Infielders Gaby Sanchez: A- Dan Uggla: A+ Jorge Cantu: C- Hanley Ramirez: B Chad Tracy: D Wes Helms: C+ Emilio Bonifacio: C+ Catchers Ronny Paulino: C- John Baker: F Brad Davis: B- Brett Hayes: C- Outfielders Cody Ross: B+ Chris Coghlan: F Cameron Maybin: B- Logan Morrison: A Mike Stanton: B Brett Carroll: D Starters Josh Johnson: A Ricky Nolasco: B Anibal Sanchez: A- Chris Volstad: B- Andrew Miller: F Nate Robertson: D Alex Sanabia: B+ Relievers Leo Nunez: B+ Clay Hensley: A Burke Badenhop: B- Brian Sanches: A- Jose Veras: C- Jorge Sosa: D Tim Wood: F Renyel Pinto: F Chris Leroux: D Really? Definitely
October 7, 201014 yr Infielders Gaby Sanchez: A- Dan Uggla: A+ Jorge Cantu: C- Hanley Ramirez: B Chad Tracy: D Wes Helms: C+ Emilio Bonifacio: C+ Catchers Ronny Paulino: C- John Baker: F Brad Davis: B- Brett Hayes: C- Outfielders Cody Ross: B+ Chris Coghlan: F Cameron Maybin: B- Logan Morrison: A Mike Stanton: B Brett Carroll: D Starters Josh Johnson: A Ricky Nolasco: B Anibal Sanchez: A- Chris Volstad: B- Andrew Miller: F Nate Robertson: D Alex Sanabia: B+ Relievers Leo Nunez: B+ Clay Hensley: A Burke Badenhop: B- Brian Sanches: A- Jose Veras: C- Jorge Sosa: D Tim Wood: F Renyel Pinto: F Chris Leroux: D Really? Definitely Ok. No comment, I guess...
October 7, 201014 yr Infielders Gaby Sanchez: B+ Showed really good pop and was great at a point, didn't finish strong enough though. Dan Uggla: A+ Great Season, Career Year Offensively, needs to be resigned. Jorge Cantu: D He started of hot but then literally died and was more bad then good. Hanley Ramirez: B+ Nagging injuries throughout the year but finished well with the new hair and got that average up to .300 again. Chad Tracy: C+ Decent Pop, solid bench bat, showed some pretty good defense aswell. Wes Helms: F He has gotten much worse both ways and I don't want him back. Emilio Bonifacio: C+ Looked better at the plate then from the 2nd half off last season but still has his issues, above average outfielder to. Donnie Murphy: B, Showed great pop since they day he was called up and played solid defense, hope to have him back next season Ozzie Martinez: C+, Showed great promise as a plus defender and has a good swing that he could be at least a backup. Catchers Ronny Paulino: B- Did his job in raking lefties this year and some by putting up respectable numbers versus righties taking over as the everyday guy, suspension was brutal though. John Baker: F Didn't produce when healthy (limited PA's) and is seemingly injury prone. Brad Davis: D+ Showed some pop but is nothing more then a backup and even threw his fair share of runners out. Brett Hayes: F Just F. Outfielders Cody Ross: C+ Produced alright offensively, defense was spectacular as usual, Miss Him. Chris Coghlan: C, Started of terrible, heated up then got hurt in such a ridiculous manner... Cameron Maybin: D: Showed more upside with the bat in the 2nd half, defense is still a bit shakey but can be fixed. Logan Morrison: B+ Showed amazing promise with the bat and is one tough S.O.B. should be here for a long time. Mike Stanton: A GIANCARLO CRUZ-MICHAEL STANTON
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