Posted November 18, 201014 yr http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=5820406 Pavano and Vazquez are the top two on the wish list, with Vazquez the more likely of the two. Is this potential move to bolster the rotation even more? Or a preemptive signing in hopes to deal Nolasco for Upton?
November 18, 201014 yr Please get Pavano. We could really use somebody to not have to show this 'elite' bullpen that Loria is trying to build.
November 18, 201014 yr personally i think vazquez is a bit of a risk, he wants a long term contract, and he has had one good year since '08. I've seen the guy, i know he can pitch i just think he is a guy similar to nolasco, and i don't think a team can handle two nolasco's.
November 18, 201014 yr Was said that Pavano is seeking the same deal as Lilly's 3/33 Personally I think Vazquez would be a very welcomed addition.
November 18, 201014 yr Spare a win for the needy Dolphins? Spare a win sir? We've lost both arms. Our head's never been right since he left earlier this year. Spare a win good sir?
November 18, 201014 yr On a more appropriate note, yes Pavano. That guy. Go after him. I'd pay 3 years 33m for sure. And repeat the feat In all seriousness though, having a guy like Pavano can make a guy like Nolasco's woes less damaging to this team. Do it. Do it!!
November 18, 201014 yr Who knew the Marlins had agreed with Pavano last winter before Minnesota stepped in? Interesting. I love this. It's so refreshing to see the Marlins in the market for free agents. Even though I didn't LOVE the Buck deal, it's such a welcome change.
November 18, 201014 yr Who knew the Marlins had agreed with Pavano last winter before Minnesota stepped in? Interesting. I love this. It's so refreshing to see the Marlins in the market for free agents. Even though I didn't LOVE the Buck deal, it's such a welcome change. Overpaying is better than not paying at all.
November 18, 201014 yr Being a Yankee fan, funny the fish are looking at both that were busts for them. Since Pavano left, he's turned it around and seems like a safer bet then Javy. I definitely agree Javy has the talent, but seems like he can be another Nalsco. Really wished there were other options then these 2. But it's nice to see them willing to spend Ugla's money, and not count it with Buck's contract like we thought they would. On a side note, does anyone think Pavano and Matt Garza look alike?
November 18, 201014 yr Don't understand the lovefest for Pavano, really. He's probably not worth 3 years/11 million per at this point in his career. Vazquez has had a better overall career, and has been really good when pitching for National League teams. Prior to last year, this is what he's done in terms of innings pitched in the decade 2000: 217.2 (pitching for an NL team) 2001: 223.2 (pitching for an NL team) 2002: 230.1 (pitching for an NL team) 2003: 230.2 (pitching for an NL team) 2004: 198.0 (pitching for an AL team) 2005: 215.2 (pitching for an NL team) 2006: 202.2 (pitching for an AL team) 2007: 216.2 (pitching for an AL team) 2008: 208.1 (pitching for an AL team) 2009: 219.1 (pitching for an NL team) That's a lot of innings. His struggles have been in the American League. The guy has been a quality pitcher/innings eater for a good portion of his career, though (especially in the NL). The only thing that worries me about Vazquez is the decrease in velocity in his fastball in 2010. He should probably still be good for over 200 innings in the NL again in 2011, which is super from the #4 in the rotation, and will help the bullpen even more (less usage, and Sanabia can move to the pen, as well).
November 18, 201014 yr Being a Yankee fan, funny the fish are looking at both that were busts for them. Since Pavano left, he's turned it around and seems like a safer bet then Javy. I definitely agree Javy has the talent, but seems like he can be another Nalsco. Really wished there were other options then these 2. But it's nice to see them willing to spend Ugla's money, and not count it with Buck's contract like we thought they would. On a side note, does anyone think Pavano and Matt Garza look alike? Vazquez was an elite pitcher not so long ago (2009).
November 18, 201014 yr The love fest for Pavano comes directly from the fact that last season he averaged 7 innings per game. I'd love for him to duplicate that this season.
November 18, 201014 yr The love fest for Pavano comes directly from the fact that last season he averaged 7 innings per game. I'd love for him to duplicate that this season. So it's an innings thing then? Vazquez is the same type of innings eater (better throughout his career), and comes at a cheaper price. Pavano doesn't even fit the team's payroll if he's asking for 3 yrs/33 mill. Not to mention, the last time Pavano got a long-term contract, he decided to take a vacation with it.
November 18, 201014 yr Being a Yankee fan, funny the fish are looking at both that were busts for them. Since Pavano left, he's turned it around and seems like a safer bet then Javy. I definitely agree Javy has the talent, but seems like he can be another Nalsco. Really wished there were other options then these 2. But it's nice to see them willing to spend Ugla's money, and not count it with Buck's contract like we thought they would. On a side note, does anyone think Pavano and Matt Garza look alike? Vazquez was an elite pitcher not so long ago (2009). And was a bust on the big stage both times for the Yanks. Perhaps it was an AL thing and he's better in the NL. Still though, I wouldn't trust Javy in big games unless he proves he can do 2009 over again. I guess it's a gamble worth taking, since there's not much else out there.
November 18, 201014 yr Being a Yankee fan, funny the fish are looking at both that were busts for them. Since Pavano left, he's turned it around and seems like a safer bet then Javy. I definitely agree Javy has the talent, but seems like he can be another Nalsco. Really wished there were other options then these 2. But it's nice to see them willing to spend Ugla's money, and not count it with Buck's contract like we thought they would. On a side note, does anyone think Pavano and Matt Garza look alike? Vazquez was an elite pitcher not so long ago (2009). And was a bust on the big stage both times for the Yanks. Perhaps it was an AL thing and he's better in the NL. Still though, I wouldn't trust Javy in big games unless he proves he can do 2009 over again. I guess it's a gamble worth taking, since there's not much else out there. Pitching in the AL/pitching in the new Yankee stadium where even routine flyballs can be HR's = pitcher's nightmare for a guy like Javy Vazquez. He'd do better in the NL, for sure. He's proven that. Maybe NY isn't for him, seeing as his two worst seasons have come with the Yankees. Those are the only two seasons that he hasn't gone 200 innings in (although, he came close in his first stint with 198 innings). All in all, a Vazquez signing does give this team four rotation arms next year capable of 200+ innings (JJ, Nolasco, Anibal, Vazquez), with Volstad who should be good for ~175. Not too many teams can say that.
November 18, 201014 yr I'll take either of those guys really. I'm sure they both could be a great help to our rotation
November 18, 201014 yr Amazingly, the Crasnick article is on ESPN.com's front page. A 1) Positive 2) Marlins article 3) On ESPN 4) Front page. Stunning!
November 18, 201014 yr Amazingly, the Crasnick article is on ESPN.com's front page. A 1) Positive 2) Marlins article 3) On ESPN 4) Front page. Stunning! Can you link me to it?
November 18, 201014 yr Amazingly, the Crasnick article is on ESPN.com's front page. A 1) Positive 2) Marlins article 3) On ESPN 4) Front page. Stunning! Can you link me to it? http://espn.go.com/ http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=5820406
November 18, 201014 yr Amazingly, the Crasnick article is on ESPN.com's front page. A 1) Positive 2) Marlins article 3) On ESPN 4) Front page. Stunning! Can you link me to it? http://espn.go.com/ http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=5820406 Ah, I thought that was the article, but it's by Stark, not Crasnick.
November 18, 201014 yr The love fest for Pavano comes directly from the fact that last season he averaged 7 innings per game. I'd love for him to duplicate that this season. So it's an innings thing then? Vazquez is the same type of innings eater (better throughout his career), and comes at a cheaper price. Pavano doesn't even fit the team's payroll if he's asking for 3 yrs/33 mill. Not to mention, the last time Pavano got a long-term contract, he decided to take a vacation with it. Considering both pitchers are old, their more recent seasons are all that are important. Vazquez had a great season 2 years ago, and Pavano had a great season last season. Honestly, I'd welcome either with arms wide open. I just think that Pavano has more of a shot at going deeper into games next season. It's certainly an innings thing. And it's directly related to Ricky Nolasco and Chris Volstad (and the unnamed 5th pitcher from last year). Both of those guys had trouble on occasion going deep, forcing our bullpen to be overworked and making guys unavailable at times. With the addition of a quality inning eater, we can have a fresher bullpen, ready to go whenever. And we can afford to let Volstad and Nolasco screw up, because we can rely on pitchers 1, 2, and 3. to not screw up (hopefully lol).
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