Posted March 15, 201113 yr comment_1236897 Seriously, does it make too much sense? With Neftali Feliz pitching well in Spring Training and now apparently having a preference to start, Ron Washington has already said he wants more experience in the backend of his bullpen. http://www.mlbtrader...ced-closer.html We have seven relievers, not named Leo Nunez, who have pitched in the big leagues and have had some sort of success. Plus depth in the minors, in case something were to go wrong. Why is Leo Nunez still here/not on the block? We have other areas of need on this team. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 15, 201113 yr comment_1236898 maybe every other team realizes he stinks and is overpaid Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 15, 201113 yr Author comment_1236899 maybe every other team realizes he stinks and is overpaid After the year he had last year, there has to be interest. When you watch him pitch and look at his stuff and upside, there has to be some sort of interest. He's just not really needed on this team. Any team in need of bullpen help would be interested. Leo Nunez is much more intriguing than some of the guys mentioned in the article. I'm sure Texas would have interest; the Marlins have just shown zero intent to move him. I understand a priority being placed on having bullpen depth after last year's mess, but c'mon. The team has other holes; the bullpen should be the least of the worries, at this point. Leo's just taking up salary here unless he becomes a dominant closer, which is something he's never proven to be. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 15, 201113 yr comment_1236900 The Athletics bullpen seems weak, too (just looking at last year's stats), especially if Andrew Bailey's injury is serious, and he's visiting ol' Doc Andrews. Outside of Bailey, they had only 3 guys with 20+ innings and sub-4.00 ERA, only 1 more under 4.5, and just 1 additional under 5.00. I'm not sure what difference there will be with their BP this year, but it could be weak. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 15, 201113 yr comment_1236901 I've been all on board to ship Nunez for some needs. But I always thought if Nunez could just develop a suitable slider or breaking ball he'd become an elite reliever. A lot of relievers thrive with two pitches but usually those two pitches give the batter a different look movement wise. With the left to right tailing movement he has, some movement the other direction with a great off speed would be lethal. I wonder if St. Claire worked on that at all over the off season. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 15, 201113 yr comment_1236902 I've been all on board to ship Nunez for some needs. But I always thought if Nunez could just develop a suitable slider or breaking ball he'd become an elite reliever. A lot of relievers thrive with two pitches but usually those two pitches give the batter a different look movement wise. With the left to right tailing movement he has, some movement the other direction with a great off speed would be lethal. I wonder if St. Claire worked on that at all over the off season. I'm sure it was high priority. He has a great slider, but not much control with it. To be honest, I think he would be just fine with 2 pitches if he could command his fastball, but often times his is not the case. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 15, 201113 yr comment_1236903 I've been all on board to ship Nunez for some needs. But I always thought if Nunez could just develop a suitable slider or breaking ball he'd become an elite reliever. A lot of relievers thrive with two pitches but usually those two pitches give the batter a different look movement wise. With the left to right tailing movement he has, some movement the other direction with a great off speed would be lethal. I wonder if St. Claire worked on that at all over the off season. I'm sure it was high priority. He has a great slider, but not much control with it. To be honest, I think he would be just fine with 2 pitches if he could command his fastball, but often times his is not the case. That's true. When he's keeping the ball down and throwing enough fastballs he's great. When he leaves the ball up his ball flattens out and get crushed. The entire time he's pitching I catch myself yelling "Down in the zone Leo!" Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 15, 201113 yr Author comment_1236904 If the reason for keeping him and his salary is that he has the potential to become an elite reliever, that's a dumb reason to keep him. We have other arms with the potential to be very good as well, and they aren't as costly. Our bullpen is absolutely fine, with or without Leo Nunez. On the other hand, we still have 2/3 of our outfield playing out of position, and our bench sucks (imo). Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 15, 201113 yr comment_1236905 I'd love to trade Nunez for a Center Fielder, move Coghlan to 2nd, Infante to third, and put MD in Double A. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 15, 201113 yr comment_1236906 I'd love to trade Nunez for a Center Fielder, move Coghlan to 2nd, Infante to third, and put MD in Double A. I agree, but Cogs is playing center this season. Period. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 15, 201113 yr comment_1236907 I'd love to trade Nunez for a Center Fielder, move Coghlan to 2nd, Infante to third, and put MD in Double A. I agree, but Cogs is playing center this season. Period. While he will start the season as a CF, I believe eventually, he will be moved some where else. Playing him in CF for the whole season just does not make any sense. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 15, 201113 yr comment_1236908 If the reason for keeping him and his salary is that he has the potential to become an elite reliever, that's a dumb reason to keep him. We have other arms with the potential to be very good as well, and they aren't as costly. Our bullpen is absolutely fine, with or without Leo Nunez. On the other hand, we still have 2/3 of our outfield playing out of position, and our bench sucks (imo). I wasn't saying we should keep him. He's probably one of my least favorite relief options this season and not even close to the money he's getting. There's only a handful of relievers who warrant that pay. But it looks like we are going to end up with him and he may still have potential to be a superb reliever. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 16, 201113 yr comment_1236909 I'm not sure I'd trade him for a ML-ready piece. They are set with Cogs in center, as ILMSF said. I would want a solid prospect or two, since our system is so depleted. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
March 16, 201113 yr comment_1236910 I have no problem keeping Nunez - the marlins have an excellent bullpen on paper but not much experience, right now I am ok with having a semi-dependable closer with experience. Nunez has the stuff and make up to be a dominant closer, he just hasnt put it all together yet, hopefully this will be the year. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 201113 yr comment_1236911 Just wanted to bump this, seeing as one of the lead stories on ESPN's front page is considering is the Rangers should put starter Alexei Ogando in the bullpen because their bullpen struggling so much. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 201113 yr comment_1236912 Nunez is the man Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 201113 yr Author comment_1236913 Just wanted to bump this, seeing as one of the lead stories on ESPN's front page is considering is the Rangers should put starter Alexei Ogando in the bullpen because their bullpen struggling so much. There are a bunch of good teams with bullpen issues, at the moment. The White Sox are another team that comes to mind. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 201113 yr comment_1236914 Just wanted to bump this, seeing as one of the lead stories on ESPN's front page is considering is the Rangers should put starter Alexei Ogando in the bullpen because their bullpen struggling so much. There are a bunch of good teams with bullpen issues, at the moment. The White Sox are another team that comes to mind. And while Nunez is hot, man it's the perfect time. We could take a small hit in the BP, but we could get a huge gain for the future, or even just go for a 3B. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 201113 yr comment_1236915 I'd like to get a bat if the bp has to take a hit Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 201113 yr comment_1236916 Unless you can get guaranteed production from a bat in a trade, I'd rather keep Leo for now. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 201113 yr comment_1236917 Leo is not going to ever have more value, and its doubtful he's going to be a part of the team's future when it comes time to pay up. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 201113 yr comment_1236918 I would love to send them Leo for Michael Young, IF texas is willing to pick up some of, if not most of the contract, and we can if need be send some B or C level prospects back. Or I wouldnt mind their outfielder Murphy.... Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 201113 yr comment_1236919 I dont see why you WOULD trade him. Things are going good Erick. He's pitching great. He's got command. He's 6/6. Nobody cares how much he's making during the season, that's an offseason matter. He's just as good as any other guy in this BP right now. Plus you don't know what could happen. Someone gets injured or regresses. Having too much good relief pitching isn't a problem. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 201113 yr comment_1236920 Exactly Nunez's value will be pretty high at the end of this year if the Marlins don't want to give him seven to eight million next year. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
April 24, 201113 yr Author comment_1236921 For what it's worth, I never said we should trade him, just to dump salary. Link to comment https://www.marlinsbaseball.com/topic/66096-why-are-the-marlins-not-considering-a-leo-nunez-trade/?&do=findComment&comment=1236921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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