Just saying, what if Wes didn't "go" to the media, but they asked him the question. Doesn't that change your perception of all this?

 

 

absolutely not, it's called "no comment." that would be the media doing its job.

I for one thing this is a good piece from Uncle Wesley "soon to be retired" he is right on, Hanley was pretty much an "asshole" in everything he did but since Jack has been here I've seen him smiling a lot more hugging players more, trying harder, it's nice to see and a different Hanley I will say that. Jack is a life saver in more ways than one.

 

As for the sprinkler move it's not show boating it's for his mom, that would be like saying when Jason Kidd used to blow kisses to his wife at the free throw line that he was showboating.

 

Hanley isn't a T.O. folks he just didn't know how to act like an adult but I think hes being forced to now and hopefully he likes the adult way of handling things, because Hanley is way more likable when he acts his age, and destroys the competition with his bat.

 

BTW: no offense to the OP but I don't really agree with you at all. Wes Helms is a veteran leader whether he hits .100 or .300 and to counter "Mike Cameron is more of a leader" uh, no he's not he was even asked about it and Cameron told reporters he wasn't with the Marlins to be a leader, hes more of a guy thats just playing to get paid, and thats not a bad thing just a different approach.

We still have just as little proof that Helms is a leader, and even more proof that he is an idiot.

How could it possibly be beneficial for Hanley and the team for Helms to say this to the media? Until you can answer that, it means nothing that Helms may be "right."

He's just saying what everyone has been saying for the past couple of years.

 

And don't forget that he's been here since Hanley was a rookie aside from a season or two, so he may know him best out of the current players.

 

 

He's a teammate. He's not supposed to be saying what reporters/managers say. That's not his job, especially since no one is going to listen to him, since he f***ing sucks. I'm sure Hanley Ramirez doesn't give a sh*t about his opinion, that's for sure.

I for one thing this is a good piece from Uncle Wesley "soon to be retired" he is right on, Hanley was pretty much an "asshole" in everything he did but since Jack has been here I've seen him smiling a lot more hugging players more, trying harder, it's nice to see and a different Hanley I will say that. Jack is a life saver in more ways than one.

 

As for the sprinkler move it's not show boating it's for his mom, that would be like saying when Jason Kidd used to blow kisses to his wife at the free throw line that he was showboating.

 

Hanley isn't a T.O. folks he just didn't know how to act like an adult but I think hes being forced to now and hopefully he likes the adult way of handling things, because Hanley is way more likable when he acts his age, and destroys the competition with his bat.

 

BTW: no offense to the OP but I don't really agree with you at all. Wes Helms is a veteran leader whether he hits .100 or .300 and to counter "Mike Cameron is more of a leader" uh, no he's not he was even asked about it and Cameron told reporters he wasn't with the Marlins to be a leader, hes more of a guy thats just playing to get paid, and thats not a bad thing just a different approach.

 

 

Helms has been an asshole as well.

 

If he had any pride, himself, he would've realized how much he sucks and just retired already. He brings absolutely nothing to do this team. According to him, he stays on the team because he wants to see Stanton, Morrison, Coghlan develop and he has absolutely nothing to do with their development.

 

He's a f***ing idiot.

 

He basically just called Hanley Ramirez a hot dog for no reason. Everything with the team/Hanley is going well now (at least before yesterday, which is when he was asked); there's no reason to be saying stupid sh*t. All he has to do to earn a million dollars is be politically correct and he can't even do that, correctly.

He called Hanley a hot dog?

can we cut it with the Helms hating. The level of hate is disproportionate to whatever it is he's done (besides running over erick's dog with a lawnmower) Shits getting old, and played out.

He called Hanley a hot dog?

 

 

He said he showboats.

can we cut it with the Helms hating. The level of hate is disproportionate to whatever it is he's done (besides running over erick's dog with a lawnmower) Shits getting old, and played out.

 

 

So is he.

It's clear that Helms has an inflated ego. He's had very little success in the major leagues (offensively and defensively) and thinks that he has expertise to mentor players. I know we joke about the presumed "professionalism" of Wes Helms, but he really doesn't have a praiseworthy approach to the plate. He swings at a lot of bad pitches. I'd rather have guys like Nick Johnson playing the role of the veteran leader. You know, guys who actually have something to contribute. Supposedly Johnson had a huge impact on Coghlan in the second half of 2009.

 

I really wish that Helms would be done with this organization for good after this season. If the FO wanted to do the fans a favor, they wouldn't hire him as a coach, but you know they are going to.

I mean to say that Helms is just as full of himself as Hanley is, but shows it in a completely different way and does not back it up with performance on the field. That makes him an unlikeable douchebag in my opinion.

Coming from him, given what he does on the team, it's so far beyond comical that he would say it. There's an awe inspiring lack of self-awareness with this player.

 

 

He's not criticizing Hanley's talent, though. It's his attitude.

 

Despite how much Helms sucks, he handles himself much more properly than Hanley, I'm sure. Like a professional :mischief .

 

it is unprofessional to criticize and call out another player, especially when he is playing well now. acting like a professional from the bench doesnt do much.

There is also something called constructive criticism. In order to make it past high school baseball, you have to be able to handle constructive criticism.

Then you say it to his face, like a big boy. Like a "Coach" as some are saying he holds this mentality. You wanna call out a player as some coaches do, then do it when a player isn't playing well. Hanley is slowly but surely piecing things together, and yet Helms comes out and makes insidious and subversive remarks regarding intangibles? Please, a get a grip.

Also, Helms is doing nothing to help this team win, so I really have no tolerance for this crap.

I for one thing this is a good piece from Uncle Wesley "soon to be retired" he is right on, Hanley was pretty much an "asshole" in everything he did but since Jack has been here I've seen him smiling a lot more hugging players more, trying harder, it's nice to see and a different Hanley I will say that. Jack is a life saver in more ways than one.

 

As for the sprinkler move it's not show boating it's for his mom, that would be like saying when Jason Kidd used to blow kisses to his wife at the free throw line that he was showboating.

 

Hanley isn't a T.O. folks he just didn't know how to act like an adult but I think hes being forced to now and hopefully he likes the adult way of handling things, because Hanley is way more likable when he acts his age, and destroys the competition with his bat.

 

BTW: no offense to the OP but I don't really agree with you at all. Wes Helms is a veteran leader whether he hits .100 or .300 and to counter "Mike Cameron is more of a leader" uh, no he's not he was even asked about it and Cameron told reporters he wasn't with the Marlins to be a leader, hes more of a guy thats just playing to get paid, and thats not a bad thing just a different approach.

 

 

Helms has been an asshole as well.

 

If he had any pride, himself, he would've realized how much he sucks and just retired already. He brings absolutely nothing to do this team. According to him, he stays on the team because he wants to see Stanton, Morrison, Coghlan develop and he has absolutely nothing to do with their development.

 

He's a f***ing idiot.

 

He basically just called Hanley Ramirez a hot dog for no reason. Everything with the team/Hanley is going well now (at least before yesterday, which is when he was asked); there's no reason to be saying stupid sh*t. All he has to do to earn a million dollars is be politically correct and he can't even do that, correctly.

 

Then buy tickets and attend games, like the rest of us flipping do. :censored

It doesn't matter if he wants to retire or not. He can want to spend another three years watching Stanton and Morrison develop but in the end it's up to the Marlins to decide if he gets another contract.

 

They need to decide whether or not they really need a .529 OPS bench player (through over 100 PA) on the roster next year. He doesn't have the pinch hitting ability he had in 2009 anymore. He plays terrible defense. Jack doesn't even use him much; Helms is probably the least useful player on the bench (Wise has speed and defense at least).

 

The only thing left is his "veteran leadership" that we always hear about. Well if he is such a great leader, why did the FO go out and get Mike Cameron because they needed a "veteran leader?"

 

Perhaps I'm too optimistic, but I don't think he'll be back next year as a player. He hasn't been cut yet only because he's trying to build bridges with the organization and they want to extend him the courtesy of keeping him around for the rest of the season.

I can't see where he said anything wrong. And it seems to me that most here want that "insider" type quotes to the point that if they don't get them from the manager, coaching staff, or other players they complain. But Helms says a couple things uncomplimentary about a fav player, and the fecal matter hits the fan.

Is it just me, or does Helms spurt out virtually the same message every couple of months? He's boring.

I can't see where he said anything wrong. And it seems to me that most here want that "insider" type quotes to the point that if they don't get them from the manager, coaching staff, or other players they complain. But Helms says a couple things uncomplimentary about a fav player, and the fecal matter hits the fan.

 

 

For the nth time, it's not even about whether he was factually correct or not.

And since similar things have already been reported, this is far from an "insider" quote.

And Hanley really isn't a "fav player" relative to his production and talent; if anything, he gets a lot of hate for dumb reasons.

I'm still trying to figure out exactly what Wes brings to the team

 

I think that he thinks he's here because of veteran leadership - clubhouse mentor, etc

 

He really doesn't play that much, he really isn't productive when he does, etc.

 

I think that is why he feels the need to speak to the media and be "the voice of wisdom" - the problem is he sucks at that as well

 

The press is going to go to him because he will give a soundbyte

 

He's always going to respond because he thinks that is what he is there for and thinks he's good at it (after all they do keep bringing him back)

 

However, he has zero timing - zero understanding of personalities and zero credibility

 

You need to be able to have those traits if you want to manage/lead

 

Using this quote as an example I'm almost 100% confident he stated more as a commentary about the job that Jack is doing and using Hanleys improved performance as a benchmark of what Jack is doing - he then couldn't help himself from rambling about Hanley a little bit in trying to get specific, taking a shot, realizing it, then swinging the other way.

 

Here's the thing - it's known that Hanley may have a little more difficult personality, his mental approach isn't all world .... so when things are going well, let it alone in the public ...... don't create a distraction when one isn't needed ....... instead emphasize with Hanley the things that he is doing right that is leading to this success and try to get him to focus on being more consistent with those things and start to buy into other areas that need improving as well .... find what will motivate him and work towards that

 

How hard would it of been to say something like "Jack & Hanley are developing a good relationship and it's showing in Hanley's results. It's no coincidence that he's playing his best ball of the season at the same time he's fine tuned his approach to defense, his approach to the plate and being more engaged with the rest of the guys. I was talking with Joe West and he even noticed that there is a bond developing there and it's paying dividends. If this relationship continues to develop and Hanley continues to execute what Jack is teaching he can be a sure fire hall of famer"

 

However, he decided to fail as a mouthpiece. He can't relate to the players what made him a success, because he wasn't. He can't set the tone by providing a good at bat or a good approach. He can't pass down defensive pointers, positioning tips, etc. I really don't see his value at all.

Wes Helms is a one million dollar paper weight.

 

:lol now that was funny

Why Helms would say this to the media is beyond me. That stuff should stay in the clubhouse.

 

In addition, he sucks and brings nothing to the table.

A little off topic to the original post, but why would the Marlins re-sign Helms? His "true" production as a ballplayer has only been seen by every Marlins fan of all time.

I don't really see any reason to re-sign him and would be pissed off if they do, even if that does take away a leader. Let Jack be the leader he's the manager.

They signed him last year during the middle of the season, so I don't doubt anything.

They signed him last year during the middle of the season, so I don't doubt anything.

 

Yeah, but he had only been sucking for half of a season at that point after a productive 2009. In the first half of 2010, he was still their 9th position player (main DH, pinch hitter, spot starter, etc.).

 

I don't think he'll be back as a player.

I think it says something that he barely plays anymore.

It seems that since Jack has taken over Wes has been on the bench more like Rab said.

 

I would be interested to see what Helms could do in Greensboro as a manager.