The following from George Richards of the Miami Herald:

 

Admin Beinfest on @LoMoMarlins: "He needs to work on all aspects of being a major leaguer, concentrate on baseball, work his way back.''

 

Beinfest: "I'm sure [@LoMoMarlins] will work his way back. We don't have a timetable. But he'll find his way back here. We thought it was the right move for him.''

 

Beinfest: @LoMoMarlins "will be a good player for a long time. The talent is there. He just needs to work on all aspects of being a Major Leaguer. He's a much better hitter than he's shown."

 

 

And this from Joe Cappozi:

 

 

Beinfest -- We never expected Logan to be in the .240s as a hitter.. No timetable for return but he will be back wq #Marlins this year

 

Asked if #Marlins r down on LoMo, Beinfest said “It would be unfair to put it that way.

 

Asked if LoMo still a core player for next year “I see no reason why he wouldn’t be.’’ #Marlins

Joe Cap just quoted Beinfest as saying Marlins had good solid reasons to option LoMo. LoMo has to concentrate on all aspects of being a major leaguer.

This season has been such a disaster in so many ways.....

 

 

Absolutely.

 

With the team we had on paper we really should've been fighting strong for the WC. Everything turned to sh*t in a heartbeat.

The Florida Marlins Charitable Foundation is an independent 501c(3) tax-exempt charitable organization. They are not "within the Marlins" and never have been. The FMCF has raised (and distributed) about $7 million for various charitable purposes.

 

How much have they raised and how much have they distributed to charities?

 

Huh?

 

Could I have been more explicit?

So they distribute to charities 100% of the funds they raise? That's hard to believe. Do you have a link?

Not sure I want to know what you are trying to insinuate. But of course it's not 100%. They have overhead. I personally know 3 employees, and I am sure there are more. I am sure that given their 501c(3) status they have open and public records. If anyone would want to question their integrity then go look it up.

An organization that does dozens of charity events a year are "self righteous fruit cakes?"

 

Cool.

 

 

A charity organization that thinks it should wield influence over a professional baseball team to the point of player personnel management is far exceeding its intended functions.

 

I think you're being an asshat based on hearsay and "...'s" baseless assumptions about how it went down.

 

Yes, I am replying mostly based on the conspiracy theory. You're right, its possible that might not be true.

So maybe you should not criticize the charity organization as "self righteous fruitcakes."

Pretty much the closest thing to an apology anyone would see on these boards. No real reason to continue with the bashing, no matter who the poster was.

“I just actually heard just about [Morrison being optioned] two minutes ago,� Helms said. “I don’t even know the situation with him, so I don’t like to comment on it.�

http://www.miamihera...l#ixzz1V1p6a6EY

 

As we all know, that would be the first time!

 

In recent years, his lack of on-field production combined with his off-field open criticism of teammates to the media has made The Artist Formerly Known As Uncle Wes less than a shell of the guy who teamed up with Joe Borchard on a June night in Baltimore in 2006 to create an all-time Florida Marlins moment (back-to-back pinch hit home runs in extra innings).

 

Will Helms be hired as an Atlanta Braves coach for the postseason? So much leadership he can provide! And another opportunity for him to gaze at Chipper Jones' behind from the bench!

 

Sayonara!

An organization that does dozens of charity events a year are "self righteous fruit cakes?"

 

Cool.

 

 

A charity organization that thinks it should wield influence over a professional baseball team to the point of player personnel management is far exceeding its intended functions.

 

Maybe it doesn't think it should wield influence? Maybe it just does.

 

See, the thing about influence is that it comes with time and what you do throughout that time. That is what earns you respect. Logan's been a major leaguer for about a year now. Throughout that time, he's criticized Hanley, the FO and now the community foundation. We know Logan doesn't have the tenure to be influential and highly respected - but the other factor, what he's done in his time here, doesn't speak well for him either.

 

Compare him to Mike Stanton. Stanton's a better player, who has done more in his time as a Marlin than LoMo - and, most importantly, he understands the concept of a hierarchy and an almost-rookie player's position within it.

 

LoMo's acting like that douchebag guy who hangs out with your group of friends once and automatically joins in on all the jokes within the group that would otherwise be taken offensively. LoMo needs a f***ing reality check.

I'm not going to go to the point of bashing LoMo. But I will agree with you on the other things. LoMo is young and apparently thinks he is indestructable at times. He has been warned about running his mouth. Once by Samson (great one to take words of wisdom from on this topic ), and once by Trader Jack with the benching. Jack said then that some players need to concentrate on their trade even after they reach this level. Who knows how many other times he has been "warned" behind the scenes. When reading things like he has to work on all aspects of being a major leaguer (said in more ways than one, by several different people), then, at least to me, it's his attitude that comes to mind.

 

No org is above reproach. Including the FMCF. But there are ways to handle things in a professional manner. Countless times there have been posts that critisize the org for handling things behind the scenes. Folks that think everything should be handled through the media so we fans know exactly what is going on. When that happens or is criticism about a fav player........

 

The FMCF has done tons of great things in this community in the name of the Florida Marlins. A team that continually takes as many media hits and negative publicity, both locally and nationally, should be very protective of that. So if the speculation is true, then congrats to the Marlins for taking a stand.

Wrong thread.

 

Posted in the other thread before it was merged.

I think some people are using this thread to bash LoMo's character simply because its convenient right now.

 

His character is odd to say the least he is obviously very out spoken but maybe sometimes he needs to decide when to speak and when to keep his mouth closed.

 

This has in fact turned into the circus, and the fact that the team is playing so poorly. sigh*

 

Firesale? oh wait we have no one to replace them.

Im also going to go out on a limb and say that Lomo has had a rough last year mentally. Its never easy to lose a parent especially to cancer. I bet Lomo is feeling some guilt for not being able to be by his side during the battle as much as he wished. It was obvious that he was close to his father and its a sad situation. Thats just a guess but i could put myself in that situation. He's still young and experiencing things that most 20 something years olds will not experience, good and bad. New fame, Money and the loss of a parent at a young age. Lomo has done some great things in the past for charities right off the bat. I dont know the full situation with this so i will not comment on if this will be detrimental to his character. I think Lomo means well and will mature into his new environment and surrounds more as time goes on.

All I can say is that with the circus running around this team, I'm not going to be wasting my time watching the games this year. Except for Stanton and maybe Bonifacio I just don't care. It doesn't matter to me if Mike Cameron gets one of his one hits in every ten at bats, or Dewayne Wise makes a nice catch, or Chris Volstad manages to only give up four earned runs instead of five.

 

I'm excited about the ballpark but I sure as hell hope the team that is going to be in it can get its crap together. On the plus side, maybe this is the year where we finally don't have to read articles about how wonderful Beinfest and co. are just for fielding mediocrity.

I'm sure it won't stop you from posting, unfortunately.

Not sure I want to know what you [Out of the Past] are trying to insinuate. But of course it's not 100%. They have overhead. I personally know 3 employees, and I am sure there are more. I am sure that given their 501c(3) status they have open and public records. If anyone would want to question their integrity then go look it up.

 

Open and public records? Yup, they sure do.

 

It's called IRS Form 990.

 

FMCF in 2009 from their Form 990:

 

Gross income: 594K

Grants: 436K

Expenses: 253K

Income or for 2009:

 

Which reduced their assets to 312K as of the end of 2009.

 

http://dynamodata.fd..._200912_990.pdf

 

Their total salaries and wages were 193K. The rest of their expenses were about 60K.

 

The single largest revenue (contribution) source in '09 was the in-game auction at 97.4K.

 

The index of all years' 990s is here:

 

http://dynamodata.fd...rch/esearch.php

 

If you know 3 of their employees, you probably know most of them.

 

Other tidbits gathered from other sources:

 

2008 - Kids program:

 

Who gave the most ?

 

Hanley

 

How much?

 

26,000

 

2nd place?

 

Amezega (!)

 

How much?

 

5,500

 

3rd place?

 

Badenhop

 

How much?

 

3,450

 

Uggla?

 

500

http://mlb.mlb.com/f...report_2008.pdf

I think you're being an asshat based on hearsay and "...'s" baseless assumptions about how it went down.

 

Baseless?

 

Hardly. I've laid out the basis of my speculation. It may not be the case, but it's not baseless.

I think you're being an asshat based on hearsay and "...'s" baseless assumptions about how it went down.

 

Baseless?

 

Hardly. I've laid out the basis of my speculation. It may not be the case, but it's not baseless.

 

Laying out an elaborate argument based on hearsay and rumors doesn't make it not baseless. It's 100% on conjecture, with zero evidence. It may be right, but theres no reason to believe it as of now. That makes it baseless.

Sounds like Morrison might file a grievance with the players union.

Sounds like Morrison might file a grievance with the players union.

 

Zero way he's going to win unless he can claim he was sent down to cover for an injury. People have been sent down for a mixture of playing like crap and off-field issues a million times.

Gonna be interesting to see how this is all covered nation wide come Monday. I just hate that were probably gonna get some bad PR for some thing stupid like this. I Feel every one could have handled this better.

It's all Helms fault.

 

by Joe Capozzi

 

 

Logan Morrison plans to consult the player’s union to see if he has any grounds for a grievance against the Marlins for optioning him late Saturday to Class AAA New Orleans.

“We are going to, with absolute certainty, explore this and contact the union and make sure Logan’s rights are protected,’’ said Fred Wray, Morrison’s agent.

“It doesn’t seem like everything adds up here.’’

 

At the same time the Marlins announced Morrison’s demotion, they released veteran infielder Wes Helms, who was batting .191.

But Helms’ departure comes after he advised Morrison not to attend a team-related function before Saturday’s game.

Morrison had already attended an autograph signing earlier Saturday, an event that lasted longer than planned. When he arrived at Sun Life Stadium, he found out the team was expected to attend a meet-and-greet with season ticket holders.

That’s when Morrison balked, still angry at the way the Florida Marlins Community Foundation handled a planned charity bowling tournament that was canceled because of a lack of interest.

He consulted with Helms, the team’s union rep, who advised him he didn’t have to attend the meet-and-greet. Helms did attend that event.

The Marlins say their moves with Morrison and Helms were related solely to their performances on the field.

“I’m not going to get into any specific incidents,� said Admin Beinfest, the Marlins’ president of baseball operations.

“I’m sure Logan has his view of things and the organization has their own view of things.�

Beinfest said Morrison “just needs to concentrate on baseball and all aspects of being a major leaguer� to get called up.

Morrison was batting .249. His 17 homers were second on the team and his 60 RBI third.

If I haven't reached base reliably for 3 months, I would show up to team events and keep my mouth shut about teammates.

I haven't been on here in a year because I dislike Marlins fans arguing with each other and insulting each other. However, I felt compelled to weigh in on the LoMo debacle. I hate what's happening, but I think he's digging himself a deeper hole if he files a grievance against the Marlins. I don't want to see him go, but he needs to grow up a bit here. I just finished a YouTube rant on the matter because I am banging too damn hard on my keyboard to type a full blog:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9hVFqKV-Uc

If I haven't reached base reliably for 3 months, I would show up to team events and keep my mouth shut about teammates.

 

 

Wes Helms is probably the one having the final laugh. His contract still gets paid regardless. Now he's just relieved of the burden of showing up to games that he doesn't play in.

I really hope that Helms severed his good standing with the front office, but I doubt it. His "maybe I'll manage these guys someday" comment sent chills down my spine.

He was only released so they could sign him to a very expensive contract that offers him a stake in ownership.

 

And as gizmo said, a company car.

If I haven't reached base reliably for 3 months, I would show up to team events and keep my mouth shut about teammates.

 

 

Wes Helms is probably the one having the final laugh. His contract still gets paid regardless. Now he's just relieved of the burden of showing up to games that he doesn't play in.

 

I was talking about Lomo. Helms is a non-factor. Couldn't care either way, his skills diminished - it happens.