It seems more and more likely that LoMo and Helms were being really outspoken about Hanley in the clubhouse and management really didn't like it.

 

 

Loria and Samson didn't like it. Loria would stick up for Hanley if he pulled an Urbina in the offseason. No matter how much he alienates every non spanish speaking teammate, Loria seems to always defend him.

 

I love when Hanley is putting up awesome numbers, but it seems like we always have one of these "Days of Our Lives" Marlins edition since 2008, and they all have to do with Hanley in some way.

 

LoMo and Helms both talk too much no doubt, but I'm tired of having to deal with all these soap opera stories that deal with Hanley every season. It's annoying.

Isn't it weird that the non-Spanish speaking media reports that Hanley alienates the non-Spanish speaking players? Have you ever heard Infante, Gaby, Ani, Ricky, Boni, et. at. sh*t on Hanley? So, who is alienating who?

 

Didn't Pujols say something to the effect of "don't change. You're changing." I think he said it in Spanish though. It was a couple years ago.

Okay, so a couple white guys and someone who Hanley never plays with.

You guys... I figured it all out.

 

Logan Morrison is Wes Helms unprofessional alter-ego!

You guys... I figured it all out.

 

Logan Morrison is Wes Helms unprofessional alter-ego!

 

With some ability to hit a ball!

It seems more and more likely that LoMo and Helms were being really outspoken about Hanley in the clubhouse and management really didn't like it.

 

 

Loria and Samson didn't like it. Loria would stick up for Hanley if he pulled an Urbina in the offseason. No matter how much he alienates every non spanish speaking teammate, Loria seems to always defend him.

 

I love when Hanley is putting up awesome numbers, but it seems like we always have one of these "Days of Our Lives" Marlins edition since 2008, and they all have to do with Hanley in some way.

 

LoMo and Helms both talk too much no doubt, but I'm tired of having to deal with all these soap opera stories that deal with Hanley every season. It's annoying.

Isn't it weird that the non-Spanish speaking media reports that Hanley alienates the non-Spanish speaking players? Have you ever heard Infante, Gaby, Ani, Ricky, Boni, et. at. sh*t on Hanley? So, who is alienating who?

 

Didn't Pujols say something to the effect of "don't change. You're changing." I think he said it in Spanish though. It was a couple years ago.

Okay, so a couple white guys and someone who Hanley never plays with.

 

Yeah, it's not like Albert Pujols knows anything.

By the way, Logan Morrison has a negative WAR for the season on BR, and a mere 1.1 WAR on Fangraphs. He's clearly been a below-average starter this year.

Yeah, it's not like Albert Pujols knows anything.

 

Does he have a PhD in psychiatry and I missed it? He's a phenomenal player and seems like a great guy, but it doesn't mean he knows all. He might, but he might not.

It seems more and more likely that LoMo and Helms were being really outspoken about Hanley in the clubhouse and management really didn't like it.

 

 

Loria and Samson didn't like it. Loria would stick up for Hanley if he pulled an Urbina in the offseason. No matter how much he alienates every non spanish speaking teammate, Loria seems to always defend him.

 

I love when Hanley is putting up awesome numbers, but it seems like we always have one of these "Days of Our Lives" Marlins edition since 2008, and they all have to do with Hanley in some way.

 

LoMo and Helms both talk too much no doubt, but I'm tired of having to deal with all these soap opera stories that deal with Hanley every season. It's annoying.

Isn't it weird that the non-Spanish speaking media reports that Hanley alienates the non-Spanish speaking players? Have you ever heard Infante, Gaby, Ani, Ricky, Boni, et. at. sh*t on Hanley? So, who is alienating who?

 

Didn't Pujols say something to the effect of "don't change. You're changing." I think he said it in Spanish though. It was a couple years ago.

Okay, so a couple white guys and someone who Hanley never plays with.

 

No I'm with you. There is obviously a language barrier here. However even though Fredi wasn't the greatest manager he spoke Spanish and was not fond of Hanley.

For god sakes can we really keep race out of this. Rab and erick your basically saying that it's the whites Vs everyone else on the team. All it's doing is diluting your argument.

For god sakes can we really keep race out of this. Rab and erick your basically saying that it's the whites Vs everyone else on the team. All it's doing is diluting your argument.

 

 

I don't think that's exactly the argument here.

The divide between the Hispanic players and the White players in baseball is infamous, I'm not making something up here. I'm not saying it's racism or the race card, I'm saying there is a barrier and that is where this is showing up.

 

Though my point is that there is a reason that the it comes up when Lomo says something about Hanley but not when Jack, the team's manager, talks about how hard Hanley is playing while he says Lomo, the same guy who sh*t on Hanley, needs to learn to concentrate on baseball and not his internet persona. And if Hanley had reacted to Jack the way Lomo had, Helms would have trashed him.

Well the news is spreading about LoMo and the public's perception of the marlins will take another hit lol. Wonder if anyone will look up the numbers(LoMo's).

 

Still don't think we should have sent him down but it is what it is.

No I'm with you. There is obviously a language barrier here. However even though Fredi wasn't the greatest manager he spoke Spanish and was not fond of Hanley.

 

Outside the time Hanley was a dickface, when did Fredi say that? Hell, even then Fredi didn't say that; he couldn't have handled that situation better.

I think that column that Lebatard sums that "race" issue perfectly.

 

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/07/31/2338573/hanley-ramirez-undone-by-perception.html

If this leads to LoMo being traded or something in the offseason I will be pissed. Ok he has had his struggles, but he is still 3rd on the team with 60 RBI showing that while he isnt hitting a lot, when he does he makes it count.

So is it safe to say you guys are tryin to say the language barrier is the problem. The way I interpreted you guys comments in this post and ericks in another, was the fact y'all used race as the identifier as opposed to English speaking, Spanish speaking. If so then we are on the same page and I can see you guys argument.

 

As I have said before , at this point I'm sick of all the bickering in the organization regardless of player/manager/owner .

If this leads to LoMo being traded or something in the offseason I will be pissed. Ok he has had his struggles, but he is still 3rd on the team with 60 RBI showing that while he isnt hitting a lot, when he does he makes it count.

 

At this point, it wouldn't surprise me.

 

Lomo for Ozzie guillen

Quotes from the PBP:

 

"I asked for an explanation and the one I got was I was hitting .240 I don't know if that makes any sense to me or to you guys but. All I know is I go out and I give everything for this team. I play hurt, I play through injury and this is how you get treated. It doesn't seem very fair or right to me."

 

Morrison said the team's decision to send him to Class AAA New Orleans was "absolutely" related to something off the field but he said he didn't think it had anything to do with his use of Twitter and other social media.

 

"I think it's something else but I don't know if I want to say it right now," said Morrison

 

"Right now I just feel resentment and anger,' Morrison said after the game. "Stand up for what's right and this happens.'

 

"Go out there and work on his game,' McKeon said when asked why Morrison was demoted. "This is an organization decision. Everybody's involved.'

 

One team source believes the team the team is sending a message, "To me it's a lesson, concentrate on the game and stop trying to be so funny."

 

Helms was more accepting of his release, noting that he was batting just .191. But he said he had no idea what Morrison was referring to about an off-field matter.

 

"All I know is he has been in the media lately,' Helms said. "Other than that, I don't know anything. I'm a guy he comes to for advice. But I don't know if he means that.'

Maybe the team didn't like his latest MLB Fan Cave video, lol.

Why the hell don't we get show on tv. "The marlins and the restless", "as the marlins turn." This would make a great soap.

No I'm with you. There is obviously a language barrier here. However even though Fredi wasn't the greatest manager he spoke Spanish and was not fond of Hanley.

 

Outside the time Hanley was a dickface, when did Fredi say that? Hell, even then Fredi didn't say that; he couldn't have handled that situation better.

 

From the Lebatard column "Ramirez’s old manager, Fredi Gonzalez, left saying to anyone who would listen upon being fired, “That’s what happens when you [expletive] with Hanley.�

Read more: http://www.miamihera...l#ixzz1UyPL5dCo

 

Maybe it wasn't so much a problem with Hanley but they way the FO treats Hanley. Plus Hanley played very well under Fredi so that probably made things easier.

So is it safe to say you guys are tryin to say the language barrier is the problem. The way I interpreted you guys comments in this post and ericks in another, was the fact y'all used race as the identifier as opposed to English speaking, Spanish speaking. If so then we are on the same page and I can see you guys argument.

 

As I have said before , at this point I'm sick of all the bickering in the organization regardless of player/manager/owner .

 

Exactly. When I say white guys and Hispanics, I was talking more about the language/culture barrier than the color of their skin. I'm not saying that either Helms or Lomo are racist, I'm just pointing to the tension that has existed between the flashy non-white player and the "gritty" white player. This has happened a million times on other teams throughout the years, but the media predictably always seems to blowup the criticism of the non-white player.

John Baker sticking up for Wes : manbearwolf

Wes Helms is the man. He plays the game the way it's supposed to be played, like each game or at bat is your last. #Respect to mentor.

Echofon • 8/13/11 11:14 PM

This is stupid. Who's going to replace LoMo's bat? Yes, he's been struggling lately, but his OPS+ is still 115, which is above average. It's also not like anyone else has stepped up lately either. I can't think of anyone on this team who hasn't been in a slump.

 

I hate this FO. I'm convinced that they were waiting for a reason to take down LoMo because he's "too honest" on Twitter or whatever, and I guess they got one. Still unclear what this off the field thing was, but I'm sure we'll find out soon enough.

 

I agree that Hanley has a nearly free pass from Loria, compared with the other players.

 

At least we got Wes Helms' release out of this?

So is it safe to say you guys are tryin to say the language barrier is the problem. The way I interpreted you guys comments in this post and ericks in another, was the fact y'all used race as the identifier as opposed to English speaking, Spanish speaking. If so then we are on the same page and I can see you guys argument.

 

As I have said before , at this point I'm sick of all the bickering in the organization regardless of player/manager/owner .

 

Exactly. When I say white guys and Hispanics, I was talking more about the language/culture barrier than the color of their skin. I'm not saying that either Helms or Lomo are racist, I'm just pointing to the tension that has existed between the flashy non-white player and the "gritty" white player. This has happened a million times on other teams throughout the years, but the media predictably always seems to blowup the criticism of the non-white player.

 

Thanks for the clarification. It's a screwed up situation. This is the absolute worst vibe going into the new season. sh*tty play on the field, injuries galore, and bitching in and out of the clubhouse.

 

At this point I see Lomo getting shipped off. Just a feeling.

Lebatard has mentioned on the radio a few times that there is some saying is baseball that you can't win with to many Lations on your team. So I can imagine that Latins and white guys not getting along is a pretty common problem. Like Rab said.

 

I seem to remember the Mets having these problems a few years ago