You could kind of see this coming to a head as soon as jack took over. He took subtle jabs at LoMo about saluting at the plate, twitter, and whatever else he can when he started managing again. Then his quote today was something like "maybe he should concentrate on the game instead of being funny." I haven't personally noticed a lack of effort ever when he was on the field, if anything he's been visibly frustrated at times with his up and down performance. At the same time he's a player that's probably the most interactive with fans at signings, on twitter, and didn't he just give out almost 500 tickets to a recent ballgame? I feel like this could've been handled way better on both sides instead of creating this terrible story that makes the front office look like the bad guy and have everyone else voicing out support for LoMo and in general making the team out to be in a downward spiral more than it already is.

 

In a sidenote: keith olbermann of all people has been going to town on twitter defending LoMo

What was said about Lomo saluting at the plate? I don't recall anything said but if so I would tell jack to pound sand for lomo's reason alone. Likewise I didn't have a problem with Hanleys gesture to his mother.

someone post those GIFS of people clapping and celebrating

how can people support hanley ? since his big contract his #s have gone down big time. i thought he was awesome his 1st couple of yrs then he bulked up and has pretty much sucked the past 2 yrs. Everone also says he's a hotdog who doesn't work hard it shows !

he said the Florida Marlins Community Foundation “dropped the ball� and didn’t sell enough lanes in advance.

 

THAT is most probably what he doesn't want to talk about.

 

The FMCF is behind the annual in-game auction. Nancy Olson ran the outfit since '99 and just retired a month ago. She's a big bowler. FMCF has raised about $7 million for charity, almost all of it while she was running it. Every time she's interviewed, Rich and Tommy absolutely kiss her a$$. She's been with the Marlins since '96 and has both WS (staff) rings. She called her brother from the pitcher's mound after game 6 in '03. She and FMCF are untouchable, and he was too dumb to realize it and stepped over the line.

 

Essentially insulting her by blaming the FMCF is likely the straw that broke the camel's back, on top of the generalized Twitter issue, the Hanley issue, generally being a loud-mouth, etc.

 

I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's packaged up and traded before next year.

Don't know if it was an official retirement or what. But Nancy actually retired before the seaon even started. Actually, we saw her at FunFest in Jupiter like every other year but she wasn't doing anything "official." She hasn't even been on the field during pregame ceremonies handing out those checks this year. I think there was an article on marlins.com about her retirement quite some time ago.

 

But you do have a point. The FMCF is untouchable for many reasons.

Don't know if it was an official retirement or what. But Nancy actually retired before the seaon even started. Actually, we saw her at FunFest in Jupiter like every other year but she wasn't doing anything "official." She hasn't even been on the field during pregame ceremonies handing out those checks this year. I think there was an article on marlins.com about her retirement quite some time ago.

 

You're right, she retired in '10, not '11. But, she remains a bowler and FMCF supporter for life.

 

Not a woman to be messed with, if you're a Marlins player. My hypothesis remains valid. You can bad-mouth Hanley or even Loria, but forget about denigrating the FMCF, that's really bad form and worse news for your career prospects with the Marlins.

 

http://www.palmbeach...tor-821385.html

 

But you do have a point. The FMCF is untouchable for many reasons.

 

It's clear to me that Nancy and the FMCF are the 3rd rail of Marlins politics, not to be touched by anyone, upon pain of very serious consequences.

 

Especially if you're a loud-mouth who can't be bothered to look before he leaps. As we have just seen.

 

If LoMo is smart, a dubious proposition at this point based on history, he'll shut his yap if he comes back up in September. Assuming that he's still part of the Marlins' system at all.

 

I continue to think that he has greatly diminished his chances of ever seeing the inside of the new ballpark other than as a member of some other team, having been traded for prospects who know how to keep their ignorant mouths shut until they've been around for more than a year or two.

Jose Lopez had his contract purchased while Ozzie Martinez has been recalled.

so we put up with 4 years of Hermida sh** without ever him being send down yet Logan gets send down

 

 

Not sure what one has to do with the other.

 

Plus, wasn't Hermida sent down too, at one point? Who cares?

 

Maybe they want to develop him more in the OF in the minors considering how much he sucks out there.

What if LoMo goes down and plays at 1st ? That surely would be a sign that Gaby will be moved in the off season and we are shopping for an outfielder, right ?

how can people support hanley ? since his big contract his #s have gone down big time. i thought he was awesome his 1st couple of yrs then he bulked up and has pretty much sucked the past 2 yrs. Everone also says he's a hotdog who doesn't work hard it shows !

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure his batting title came after he signed the deal. Just sayin.

 

And please, this is his only bad offensive year. Despite how bad he seemed to play last season, he still managed to hit .300.

I'm with Erick on this one...

 

LoMo needs to stop talking. That's arguably what got him here in the first place.

 

 

yep, and I don't think they appreciate that it's essentially a rookie doing the talking, and a rookie who's isn't particularly lighting the world on fire either. I think this front office likes their coach to do the talking when a guy needs a kick in the ass.

 

though it is pretty funny when you think that Logan and Wes are the two guys who've kinda been calling Hanley out and now they both get the door. Wes Helms is a pro though and even though he's pretty much stunk this season I've always liked the guy and he had some good seasons here off the bench.

 

But yes, Logan needs to grow up a bit. He's a good guy, just take a little medicine and be a pro about it. A lot of guys "give 100%", that doesn't mean it's clear sailing forever. Chris Volstad probably gives 100% too, I haven't heard him whining when he gets send down for a few weeks. and like others have mentioned, some guys you can't do this with. They can't send Omar Infante down after struggling his first month here...

 

anyway there may have been some other comments that have gone around the clubhouse too that we're not aware of.

 

 

*nevermind now that I read the entire thread and saw the issue with the Community Foundation and then choosing not to take pictures with some season ticket holders, yep probably the final straw there. You're still an employee Logan buddy.

 

Look I don't particularly enjoy siding with this front office and I'm sure the media and internet is going to be abuzz with bashing the Marlins & Loria as usual but that's how I feel.

Logan was gonna be the center piece for a trade with Ari for J. Upton in the off season right? I'm still confident Logan will be a pretty good player.

http://www.phillysportscentral.com/forums/showthread.php?289136-Ot-Morrison-optioned

 

Hot topic with phillies fans. We love lomo

Logan was gonna be the center piece for a trade with Ari for J. Upton in the off season right? I'm still confident Logan will be a pretty good player.

 

 

where did you read that? I think we were just throwing around names it might take.

What was said about Lomo saluting at the plate? I don't recall anything said but if so I would tell jack to pound sand for lomo's reason alone. Likewise I didn't have a problem with Hanleys gesture to his mother.

 

It was when he was asked what he thought about Hanley basically carrying his bat with him down the first base line and he said

"I tell you the truth, as long as he keeps hitting, he can carry it all the way around if he wants to. I don't bother with that petty stuff. You guys make a big issue out of pretty (stuff) like that. What's the difference? Is there any rule that says you can't carry it around? No, unless you're going to use it on the first baseman or second baseman. Big deal. Guys come to home plate, saluting and everything else --nobody says nothing. But a guy carries a bat around and you guys want to make a controversy out of it. If he wants to carry his bat around, wants to carry his glove around, I don't care....as long as he keeps hitting."

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/fish_bytes/2011/07/07/

 

Those are the types of subtle jabs he's been taking at LoMo since he took over so I doubt Jack fought real hard against the move.

Logan was gonna be the center piece for a trade with Ari for J. Upton in the off season right? I'm still confident Logan will be a pretty good player.

 

 

where did you read that? I think we were just throwing around names it might take.

 

Probably what it was. It was football season and I must have read it and thought it was reported or something.

I'm not sure this was the right way to handle it though, I should add. Loria and Beinfest could sit down with LoMo and talk about it. Kinda unnecessary. Unless maybe he's been talked to before.

I wasn't aware the charity bowling event got cancelled. That's very interesting.

 

However I was at the autograph signing he did at a South Dade Dunkin Donuts a week ago and he was great. Didn't seem upset about anything.

 

I'm guessing the combination of cancelling that event and then not doing the photo op with the season ticket holders was probably why at least part of this happened. Well, that and Samson has basically said he doesn't like what LoMo does on Twitter.

 

Last night they had LoMo do the lineup on FoxSportsFlorida, and my brother & I were watching. When Rich said, "We'll be back with LoMo and the starting lineup", I turned to my brother and said, "Oh LoMo is always funny, this should be good". Then LoMo comes on and does the lineups like "Debbie Downer", and we both looked at each other, and I said, "Wow, that's not like LoMo, he's been abducted by aliens". and we both laughed.

 

I'm not sure about the timeline though, was LoMo told before the game or after ? Because it would explain his (for him) boring performance doing the lineups.

I'm not sure about the timeline though, was LoMo told before the game or after ? Because it would explain his (for him) boring performance doing the lineups.

 

 

After

I like LoMo but I will say he is very sketchy on his twitter site and often hits on younger girls, and sometimes is probably too sarcastic for his own good, and he makes it known.

 

Won't miss Helms, this move should have been done a while ago.

 

This team is a f***ing mess.

 

Edit: Interested knowing what led to the Helms release and LoMo demotion... I wonder what happened.

 

If it was in fact off the field stuff.

 

Could this be the last year of Beinfest ? I think a lot of GM's could have done better than he has the last couple of years. Look at the turnaround in Atlanta. Can't we steal their 2nd man, and start to clone their organization ?

I'm not sure about the timeline though, was LoMo told before the game or after ? Because it would explain his (for him) boring performance doing the lineups.

 

 

He was told after the game. Players dont get told about demotions before the game or they might not even play... I wouldn't. Why bother?

I don't think it's just about Hanley. It's clear Morrison loves to speak his mind. Given his proclivity for doing so, there's probably a ton of stuff he's said that we don't even know about.

 

Yeah, I have the feeling he's been a loudmouth too many times even when the cameras & mic's are not on, and has p.o'd too many organization higher ups

i just hope this doesn't result in a morrison trade in the offseason. he has struggled lastely, but he's proven to be a legitimate major league hitter at the beginning of the season and valuable player going into 2012

Certainly not related to performance, at least not primarily. He's struggled but all things being equal I'm sure they'd rather him work through it up here.

 

It looks bad. Do they not worry about PR and whether what they're doing is worth it?

I doubt it comes down to that.

 

If anything, he'll be asked to apologize and do a special charity event with the FMCF

 

Could be, but like I said, I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's gone.

 

This happened Thursday. Olson apparently is a big-time bowler. Even though she retired in July, the event planning probably started before she retired and you can bet money that Olson was one of the bowlers in the event.

 

Can you imagine the call from Olson to the FO?

 

N.O.: Hi, Jeffrey/Admin/David (take your pick.) LoMo says he's not coming to our event, he says we dropped the ball and didn't sell enough lanes.

 

Jeffrey/Admin/David: What?

 

N.O.: That's what he said. This is very embarrassing, we've advertised the event based on LoMo. Since when do players get to pick and choose which events they'll attend that they've committed to?

 

Jeffrey/Admin/David: Since never. I'll get back to you.

 

Or something close to that. Or worse. Much worse. Blown fuses. Bad words.

 

It's unclear whether the whole event was canceled or just LoMo's appearance (the earlier quote was "Logan canceled a charity bowling tournament,") as in the entire thing, but either way, it was a huge insult to NO and FMCF.

 

Then, after causing what had to be a huge uproar, he blows off pics with season-ticket holders? And maybe other events, although that is also unclear? Probably because he got read the riot act about the bowling thing? And then he continues to act like a petulant child?

 

Not a good way to ingratiate yourself with the FO. They have to be thinking of it in terms of Miggy-like behavior. Prima-donna time. As in "a very temperamental person with an inflated view of their own talent or importance." Not good.

 

Insult Hanley? OK, you might be able to get away with that. Once. Maybe even twice.

 

Insult Nancy Olson and the FMCF, the one Marlins' organization that is beyond any and all criticism? Not a good idea at all.

 

While it all might be resolved with a public apology, they've been watching this sort of loud-mouth behavior for a few months now. Jack AND Admin gave him the news, not just Jack, who was totally on-board.

 

Strikes me as the sort of deal where any decent offer will be enthusiastically entertained as the nagging doubt about having this guy anywhere near their future clubhouse grows.

 

The contrast between LoMo and Stanton is like night and day. Stanton remains quiet and untouchable. LoMo, running his mouth at warp-speed is now probably trade-bait. Maybe it can all be worked out, but at some point the FO may decide that it isn't even worth trying. That point may already have been reached.

Dude, I think you nailed it. This post makes a lot of sense.

One of lomo's quotes from last night did state that he thought helms's release was related to the same incident. Can anyone confirm whether or not Helms participated or was supposed to participate in the bowling?