Dude got shot in a NATO air strike and rebels beat the living sh*t out of him.

rest in peace, a**hole

I don't understand why Americans feel like this is something we should really care about (or celebrate). Many of the rebels (the ones we've been told to root for) are mostly Al Qaeda and the same jihadists that have been killing our soldiers in Afghanistan.

 

The common US citizen doesn't really win here.

 

 

Correct a US citizen doesn't, but a humanity as a whole does.

Graphic

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYN0zTQ242w&feature=player_embedded&skipcontrinter=1

first off dont ever do that again. you actually made me think santana died.

second, these people will only go back to their ways of finding someone else to oppress in their country.

 

two weeks ago, 1 libyan-italian jew went back and tried to clean up one of the oldest remaining synagogues in tripoli and of course the entire country went insane threatening to kill him while holding up signs that Libya should be free of any jews.

 

this even after the leader of the TNC said that he wants the libyan jews who left after 1967 to come back. the majority of these people will never change.

second, these people will only go back to their ways of finding someone else to oppress in their country.

 

two weeks ago, 1 libyan-italian jew went back and tried to clean up one of the oldest remaining synagogues in tripoli and of course the entire country went insane threatening to kill him while holding up signs that Libya should be free of any jews.

 

this even after the leader of the TNC said that he wants the libyan jews who left after 1967 to come back. the majority of these people will never change.

 

What you are implying here is so shallow. People born in Libya are not inherently worse people. This is an exhausting argument to have, though, so I'll just leave it at that.

second, these people will only go back to their ways of finding someone else to oppress in their country.

 

two weeks ago, 1 libyan-italian jew went back and tried to clean up one of the oldest remaining synagogues in tripoli and of course the entire country went insane threatening to kill him while holding up signs that Libya should be free of any jews.

 

this even after the leader of the TNC said that he wants the libyan jews who left after 1967 to come back. the majority of these people will never change.

 

What you are implying here is so shallow. People born in Libya are not inherently worse people. This is an exhausting argument to have, though, so I'll just leave it at that.

 

how is it shallow? the italian government had to get involved to make sure the guy wasnt killed by a mob.

 

once the mob was done then the protests started. and i never said anything about being born in Libya, its the people of north africa and the middle east in general. certainly not all of them but many of them.

 

believe me, i know what i am talking about and I know the mentality of these people because I am myself north african and the previous generation of my family was born and raised amongst such people for decades.

second, these people will only go back to their ways of finding someone else to oppress in their country.

 

two weeks ago, 1 libyan-italian jew went back and tried to clean up one of the oldest remaining synagogues in tripoli and of course the entire country went insane threatening to kill him while holding up signs that Libya should be free of any jews.

 

this even after the leader of the TNC said that he wants the libyan jews who left after 1967 to come back. the majority of these people will never change.

 

What you are implying here is so shallow. People born in Libya are not inherently worse people. This is an exhausting argument to have, though, so I'll just leave it at that.

 

how is it shallow? the italian government had to get involved to make sure the guy wasnt killed by a mob.

 

once the mob was done then the protests started. and i never said anything about being born in Libya, its the people of north africa and the middle east in general. certainly not all of them but many of them.

 

believe me, i know what i am talking about and I know the mentality of these people because I am myself moroccan and the previous generation of my family was born and raised amongst such people for decades.

That's exactly why you wouldn't be able to be unbiased.

I'm not saying you're wrong about the ultimate outcome. But you imply that they "like" turmoil, and that they are bad people. Things evolve to result in negative outcomes, but it's not so simple.

second, these people will only go back to their ways of finding someone else to oppress in their country.

 

two weeks ago, 1 libyan-italian jew went back and tried to clean up one of the oldest remaining synagogues in tripoli and of course the entire country went insane threatening to kill him while holding up signs that Libya should be free of any jews.

 

this even after the leader of the TNC said that he wants the libyan jews who left after 1967 to come back. the majority of these people will never change.

 

What you are implying here is so shallow. People born in Libya are not inherently worse people. This is an exhausting argument to have, though, so I'll just leave it at that.

 

how is it shallow? the italian government had to get involved to make sure the guy wasnt killed by a mob.

 

once the mob was done then the protests started. and i never said anything about being born in Libya, its the people of north africa and the middle east in general. certainly not all of them but many of them.

 

believe me, i know what i am talking about and I know the mentality of these people because I am myself moroccan and the previous generation of my family was born and raised amongst such people for decades.

That's exactly why you wouldn't be able to be unbiased.

I'm not saying you're wrong about the ultimate outcome. But you imply that they "like" turmoil, and that they are bad people. Things evolve to result in negative outcomes, but it's not so simple.

 

no, they are certainly not all bad people that want violence. but there will be a power struggle and more violence will ensue as one faction against the other. just look at whats happening in Egypt against the Coptics and christians. i have some good friends from Egypt and some say that they wish Mubarak was still around. not necessarily for equality purposes but just for social order.

 

They always find a way to blame someone for their problems i.e. Israel or the US. Even one of the Egyptian generals, Tantawi i believe, was amazed how there could be so many issues in Egypt yet people focus on Israel and the US and burn their flags or torch the embassy.

 

All i am saying is that Gaddhafi had been overthrown, which is good, but there are very few guarantees that anything good will come out of this. For starters, all those weapons getting into the hands of Hamas.

 

Just my humble opinion.

I don't understand why Americans feel like this is something we should really care about (or celebrate). Many of the rebels (the ones we've been told to root for) are mostly Al Qaeda and the same jihadists that have been killing our soldiers in Afghanistan.

 

The common US citizen doesn't really win here.

 

How many are al-Qaeda? I don't know what "many are mostly" is supposed to mean.

It amazes me how well-received news like this seems to be, especially without much insight on what's going to happen next. This wasn't an American problem, but now we might have very well turned it into one depending on who replaces Qaddafi.

and when those countries try to enact change to "evolve their government", and said government starts shooting them, we should just give a "tsk tsk", sucks for you guys we'd really love to support you but oh wow look at the time..."

 

clearly everyone else assumes it will become paradise over there now.

The point is that these people at least now have a choice about their future and how the country will turn out. Obviously it could turn out bad, but nothing is better than having no say in it.

Its Leo Nunez real name.

 

I hope you died in agony, scum!

at least these people decided their own fate

 

i mean im sure there was some debate in france as to what would happen to those young american colonies after they won their independence from the british

 

and 80 years later, there was one of the most brutal wars in all of man-kind and those young colonies had turned into states fighting for their own right to govern as they please versus having a more powerful form of centralized government...the fight continues to today in this land, and as the arab spring continues to garner strength and inspiration by disillusioned poor and middle class in their land, the dictators will fall one by one by one

 

maybe not in our lifetime but will those dictatorships be dissolved completely but the youth of those nations know what they want and that is freedom....and the ability to choose for yourself is a powerful destiny, and i for one am hopeful and optimistic that if we can stop finding reasons to hate these people, to judge them, to slight them, to fear them...than maybe they will see the same in us as in with the rise of the internet most especially, it is not right for one person to have all the money and power and this is the revolution of our time

 

rot in hell forever gadhafi

I don't understand why Americans feel like this is something we should really care about (or celebrate). Many of the rebels (the ones we've been told to root for) are mostly Al Qaeda and the same jihadists that have been killing our soldiers in Afghanistan.

 

The common US citizen doesn't really win here.

 

 

I'm so with you on this.

 

It's the SAME situation with Egypt and Hosni Mubarak. The same people dethroning him and calling for his head are the same ones who hate us. It's very ass-backwards.

I think people can be happy that someone who referred to his own people as "rats" and vowed to hunt them down "alley by alley" is no longer in a position of power.

Fair enough. But you've got to imagine that as much of a pest as he might have been... things can get a lot worse when you remove him from power.

 

I mean, it's much more significant when we're talking about Egypt and Mubarak though. He really wasn't as evil as he was made out to be. He certainly wasn't a good man at all, but the consequences of him being removed from power can be exponentially worse than he ever was.

People are happy he's removed from power by a group of people aligned with those killing our soldiers in Afghanistan. His death did not happen in a vacuum.

 

 

Nor was his death solely caused by people aligned with those killing our soldiers in Afghanistan. I believe you are oversimplifying it.

 

I think one can express a measure of satisfaction that the human race as a whole maybe got better yesterday while also recognizing the possibility that it may not turn out right in the end. It doesn't have to be either/or.

LOL only a few people will get this.

More like... Ghaddafi killed by Fransisco Scaramanga.

People are happy he's removed from power by a group of people aligned with those killing our soldiers in Afghanistan. His death did not happen in a vacuum.

 

 

Nor was his death solely caused by people aligned with those killing our soldiers in Afghanistan. I believe you are oversimplifying it.

 

I think one can express a measure of satisfaction that the human race as a whole maybe got better yesterday while also recognizing the possibility that it may not turn out right in the end. It doesn't have to be either/or.

To the contrary, I think what you are suggesting is oversimplifying things; NATO's assistance in killing doesn't really mean anything, either, this was still a rebel victory in the end.

 

You are essentially saying that we should be celebrating because a very bad man is out of power. This is too simplistic because it ignores the other stakes involved. One is that this casts rebels into power, who are aligned with LIFG, which is on the US terrorism watch list. Second, while Gaddafi had committed several brutal and horrendous crimes in the past (notably the 80s), this is something that has not been carried over into the present day--with Gaddafi effectively playing ball with the West. On top of that, he had a high level of popularity in Libya and the civil war itself killed far more civilians than his regime ever did. Of course the problems surrounding his removal from power are quite obvious. The jihadist rebels are victors, Libya's military stockpiles are being raided, with weapons going right into their hands. On top of that, there is little doubt that rebel rule in Libya will be no less oppressive than how Gaddafi's had been in recent years. This is the rebel group that has brutally killed off competing commanders and like savages dragged Gaddafi's body through the street.

 

Well said.

People are happy he's removed from power by a group of people aligned with those killing our soldiers in Afghanistan. His death did not happen in a vacuum.

 

 

Nor was his death solely caused by people aligned with those killing our soldiers in Afghanistan. I believe you are oversimplifying it.

 

I think one can express a measure of satisfaction that the human race as a whole maybe got better yesterday while also recognizing the possibility that it may not turn out right in the end. It doesn't have to be either/or.

To the contrary, I think what you are suggesting is oversimplifying things; NATO's assistance in killing doesn't really mean anything, either, this was still a rebel victory in the end.

 

You are essentially saying that we should be celebrating because a very bad man is out of power. This is too simplistic because it ignores the other stakes involved. One is that this casts rebels into power, who are aligned with LIFG, which is on the US terrorism watch list. Second, while Gaddafi had committed several brutal and horrendous crimes in the past (notably the 80s), this is something that has not been carried over into the present day--with Gaddafi effectively playing ball with the West. On top of that, he had a high level of popularity in Libya and the civil war itself killed far more civilians than his regime ever did. Of course the problems surrounding his removal from power are quite obvious. The jihadist rebels are victors, Libya's military stockpiles are being raided, with weapons going right into their hands. On top of that, there is little doubt that rebel rule in Libya will be no less oppressive than how Gaddafi's had been in recent years. This is the rebel group that has brutally killed off competing commanders and like savages dragged Gaddafi's body through the street.

 

I never really said or implied any of the things you're arguing against. I still don't see why it's impossible to think something can be a good thing and possibly have bad consequences at the same time.

Well, only if you ignore the rest of what I've said. .