I think the article is pretty spot on. The Marlins are trying too hard to win in a season that doesn't matter to the point where they are jeopardizing the development and club control of their best prospects.

 

Beinfest and Hill are really insufferable. They are always too shortsighted in their decision making and make rash moves trying to win when the team isn't competing.

 

This article is crap. He admits that he didn't think Jose Fernandez would be this good this soon but he still criticizes the move because it served no purpose because the Marlins are in last place. He also thinks Yelich will be successful but again it's a bad move because you could have saved him for next summer so that we can control him through 2020 instead of 2019. Sure and if we don't call him up until the summer of 2015 we could control him until 2021 and so on. What's the point? We need to wait until the team is good or winning to call up our top prospects? How do you win or get better if you keep your better prospects in the minors? It's just dumb. I understand his point on rushing Ozuna and maybe Marisnick but really what is the harm? At worst they get a taste of the big leagues and go back down for more seasoning and come back up when they are ready. Teams do it all of the time.

 

Also, whoever this guy is has never run a franchise and I'm going to be that he has never run any business. The only thing he knows how to run is his mouth. As a business owner you have to always worry about he bottom line. It's what keeps you in business. The bottom line matters. Making money matters. This is not a charity. Business decisions dictate the on field product in all of sports. From how much to spend on free agency, to how much to spend on long term contracts to keep your star players, to who you are going to draft and be able to sign for the right amount. Calling up top prospects to energize the fan base also happens. Again, baseball is a business and not a billionaires hobby. All owners need to worry about making a profit.

 

My last point is that this writer has a bias against the Marlins and you can tell that right off of the bat. When he starts off the article by saying "Jeffrey Loria got his taxpayer-funded palace and painted it like the Emerald City of Oz" he shows his bias against the Marlins. If this article is about rushing prospects what does that stadium have to do with that? If his point is that Loria is getting more revenue and should be spending it on the Marlins (a point I happen to agree with) then why would he add the taxpayer funded part? As for that Oz remark I don't even understand that. When this Jeff Moore character owns his own baseball team and manages his own stadium he can paint it however he wants. Beinfest and Hill have had their ups and downs but I think they have been able to turn this thing around and we are headed in the right direction. The only thing insufferable around here are articles like this, and posters bashing every move this front office makes.

Awesome post, couldn't agree more. I think this front office may have made more money with Fernandez on the team this year than it would have saved in the future by having him in Double-A. It created a buzz, promoted the team now, and sent a message to fans on where it's headed in the future. Also, maybe more important than the immediate financial impact, was the positive PR impact. This team had ZERO positive media heading into this season and if not for a guy like Jose they might still be in that hole. He has helped this team generate a buzz, and more importantly, he has helped this team WIN. He is the new face of the franchise, the role he has taken from Giancarlo Stanton, who has failed to embrace this market and this franchise.

The buzz that has them dead last in attendance, despite a 1-year old stadium? The positive media that had FOX interview Jason Grilli instead of discussing Fernandez during the ASG? Lol.

 

Fernandez as the difference between an 86 win vs a 91 win team >>>>>>>> Fernandez as the difference between a 65 win vs a 70 win team.

This article is crap. He admits that he didn't think Jose Fernandez would be this good this soon but he still criticizes the move because it served no purpose because the Marlins are in last place. He also thinks Yelich will be successful but again it's a bad move because you could have saved him for next summer so that we can control him through 2020 instead of 2019. Sure and if we don't call him up until the summer of 2015 we could control him until 2021 and so on. What's the point? We need to wait until the team is good or winning to call up our top prospects? How do you win or get better if you keep your better prospects in the minors? It's just dumb. I understand his point on rushing Ozuna and maybe Marisnick but really what is the harm? At worst they get a taste of the big leagues and go back down for more seasoning and come back up when they are ready. Teams do it all of the time.

 

 

Guys like Yelich, Ozuna, and Marisnick weren't in a position where it was clear that they had nothing else to learn in the minor leagues. This is in contrast to Stanton from a few years ago. In other words, those players were rushed to the majors. Usually a team only rushes players is when it is in a playoff hunt--the Marlins aren't. So, yes, it is a waste of club controlled years. Most of these guys are on roughly the same timeline for their development--next season. The Marlins could have waited until 2014 to call up Fernandez, Yelich, Marisnick, and Ozuna and not only inserted them into a team more likely to compete but also have gained an extra year of club control.

 

And I certainly don't think that teams do this "all of the time." There is a normal timetable that teams adhere to. It is never advisable to throw players into the majors who have hardly spent any time in AA.

 

 

 

Also, whoever this guy is has never run a franchise and I'm going to be that he has never run any business. The only thing he knows how to run is his mouth. As a business owner you have to always worry about he bottom line. It's what keeps you in business. The bottom line matters. Making money matters. This is not a charity. Business decisions dictate the on field product in all of sports. From how much to spend on free agency, to how much to spend on long term contracts to keep your star players, to who you are going to draft and be able to sign for the right amount. Calling up top prospects to energize the fan base also happens. Again, baseball is a business and not a billionaires hobby. All owners need to worry about making a profit.

 

 

 

Making smart baseball moves produces a winning culture, which is arguably the most important factor in running a successful baseball team.

 

I also don't really see these moves "energizing" the fanbase. Outside of this forum, I see little more than apathy. In other words, if the Marlins need to rely on rushing minor league talent to the majors in order to lose 94 games instead of 100, I think they need a new business strategy.

 

 

 

My last point is that this writer has a bias against the Marlins and you can tell that right off of the bat. When he starts off the article by saying "Jeffrey Loria got his taxpayer-funded palace and painted it like the Emerald City of Oz" he shows his bias against the Marlins. If this article is about rushing prospects what does that stadium have to do with that? If his point is that Loria is getting more revenue and should be spending it on the Marlins (a point I happen to agree with) then why would he add the taxpayer funded part? As for that Oz remark I don't even understand that. When this Jeff Moore character owns his own baseball team and manages his own stadium he can paint it however he wants. Beinfest and Hill have had their ups and downs but I think they have been able to turn this thing around and we are headed in the right direction. The only thing insufferable around here are articles like this, and posters bashing every move this front office makes.

 

 

 

He probably detests Jeffrey Loria. That's the basis for the comment. I don't see what the big deal is, really, because his logic is sound with regard to these moves. Many people here have been vocalizing the same things all season and have been doing so very convincingly.

Awesome post, couldn't agree more. I think this front office may have made more money with Fernandez on the team this year than it would have saved in the future by having him in Double-A. It created a buzz, promoted the team now, and sent a message to fans on where it's headed in the future. Also, maybe more important than the immediate financial impact, was the positive PR impact. This team had ZERO positive media heading into this season and if not for a guy like Jose they might still be in that hole. He has helped this team generate a buzz, and more importantly, he has helped this team WIN. He is the new face of the franchise, the role he has taken from Giancarlo Stanton, who has failed to embrace this market and this franchise.

 

 

I think that the "buzz" remains to be seen. There's nothing to support the belief that the Marlins have made more money on account of this.

 

Having Fernandez for an extra club controlled year isn't about saving money anyway (which appears to be lost in your post). It's about keeping him in Miami for an extra season before he's traded to Detroit.

This article is crap. He admits that he didn't think Jose Fernandez would be this good this soon but he still criticizes the move because it served no purpose because the Marlins are in last place. He also thinks Yelich will be successful but again it's a bad move because you could have saved him for next summer so that we can control him through 2020 instead of 2019. Sure and if we don't call him up until the summer of 2015 we could control him until 2021 and so on. What's the point? We need to wait until the team is good or winning to call up our top prospects? How do you win or get better if you keep your better prospects in the minors? It's just dumb. I understand his point on rushing Ozuna and maybe Marisnick but really what is the harm? At worst they get a taste of the big leagues and go back down for more seasoning and come back up when they are ready. Teams do it all of the time.

 

 

Guys like Yelich, Ozuna, and Marisnick weren't in a position where it was clear that they had nothing else to learn in the minor leagues. This is in contrast to Stanton from a few years ago. In other words, those players were rushed to the majors. Usually a team only rushes players is when it is in a playoff hunt--the Marlins aren't. So, yes, it is a waste of club controlled years. Most of these guys are on roughly the same timeline for their development--next season. The Marlins could have waited until 2014 to call up Fernandez, Yelich, Marisnick, and Ozuna and not only inserted them into a team more likely to compete but also have gained an extra year of club control.

 

And I certainly don't think that teams do this "all of the time." There is a normal timetable that teams adhere to. It is never advisable to throw players into the majors who have hardly spent any time in AA.

 

 

 

Also, whoever this guy is has never run a franchise and I'm going to be that he has never run any business. The only thing he knows how to run is his mouth. As a business owner you have to always worry about he bottom line. It's what keeps you in business. The bottom line matters. Making money matters. This is not a charity. Business decisions dictate the on field product in all of sports. From how much to spend on free agency, to how much to spend on long term contracts to keep your star players, to who you are going to draft and be able to sign for the right amount. Calling up top prospects to energize the fan base also happens. Again, baseball is a business and not a billionaires hobby. All owners need to worry about making a profit.

 

 

 

Making smart baseball moves produces a winning culture, which is arguably the most important factor in running a successful baseball team.

 

I also don't really see these moves "energizing" the fanbase. Outside of this forum, I see little more than apathy. In other words, if the Marlins need to rely on rushing minor league talent to the majors in order to lose 94 games instead of 100, I think they need a new business strategy.

 

 

 

My last point is that this writer has a bias against the Marlins and you can tell that right off of the bat. When he starts off the article by saying "Jeffrey Loria got his taxpayer-funded palace and painted it like the Emerald City of Oz" he shows his bias against the Marlins. If this article is about rushing prospects what does that stadium have to do with that? If his point is that Loria is getting more revenue and should be spending it on the Marlins (a point I happen to agree with) then why would he add the taxpayer funded part? As for that Oz remark I don't even understand that. When this Jeff Moore character owns his own baseball team and manages his own stadium he can paint it however he wants. Beinfest and Hill have had their ups and downs but I think they have been able to turn this thing around and we are headed in the right direction. The only thing insufferable around here are articles like this, and posters bashing every move this front office makes.

 

 

 

He probably detests Jeffrey Loria. That's the basis for the comment. I don't see what the big deal is, really, because his logic is sound with regard to these moves. Many people here have been vocalizing the same things all season and have been doing so very convincingly.

 

 

I don't disagree with his opinion that these players were rushed. That's almost a given to everyone. My problem is that even in the case of Fernandez who became an all star and Yelich who he himself seems to believe will be successful, he still manages to criticize the moves. He can't even give them credit for their successful moves. He has an agenda against the Marlins and that is what bothers me.

 

Also, while bringing these players up might not have created the buzz that they hoped for amongst the fair weather fans, it has certainly kept hard core fans like myself interested in this season. I have enjoyed watching these young kids learn on the job more than I enjoyed watching that debacle last year. I believe that there are more out there like myself and that it has created a buzz amongst the real fans.

Awesome post, couldn't agree more. I think this front office may have made more money with Fernandez on the team this year than it would have saved in the future by having him in Double-A. It created a buzz, promoted the team now, and sent a message to fans on where it's headed in the future. Also, maybe more important than the immediate financial impact, was the positive PR impact. This team had ZERO positive media heading into this season and if not for a guy like Jose they might still be in that hole. He has helped this team generate a buzz, and more importantly, he has helped this team WIN. He is the new face of the franchise, the role he has taken from Giancarlo Stanton, who has failed to embrace this market and this franchise.

 

 

 

 

I think that the "buzz" remains to be seen. There's nothing to support the belief that the Marlins have made more money on account of this.

 

Having Fernandez for an extra club controlled year isn't about saving money anyway (which appears to be lost in your post). It's about keeping him in Miami for an extra season before he's traded to Detroit.

 

Ha. The Detroit line is great.

 

Don't forget about the Dodgers. We could slip in Fernandez when we trade Stanton to them.

This article is crap. He admits that he didn't think Jose Fernandez would be this good this soon but he still criticizes the move because it served no purpose because the Marlins are in last place. He also thinks Yelich will be successful but again it's a bad move because you could have saved him for next summer so that we can control him through 2020 instead of 2019. Sure and if we don't call him up until the summer of 2015 we could control him until 2021 and so on. What's the point? We need to wait until the team is good or winning to call up our top prospects? How do you win or get better if you keep your better prospects in the minors? It's just dumb. I understand his point on rushing Ozuna and maybe Marisnick but really what is the harm? At worst they get a taste of the big leagues and go back down for more seasoning and come back up when they are ready. Teams do it all of the time.

 

 

Guys like Yelich, Ozuna, and Marisnick weren't in a position where it was clear that they had nothing else to learn in the minor leagues. This is in contrast to Stanton from a few years ago. In other words, those players were rushed to the majors. Usually a team only rushes players is when it is in a playoff hunt--the Marlins aren't. So, yes, it is a waste of club controlled years. Most of these guys are on roughly the same timeline for their development--next season. The Marlins could have waited until 2014 to call up Fernandez, Yelich, Marisnick, and Ozuna and not only inserted them into a team more likely to compete but also have gained an extra year of club control.

 

And I certainly don't think that teams do this "all of the time." There is a normal timetable that teams adhere to. It is never advisable to throw players into the majors who have hardly spent any time in AA.

 

 

 

Also, whoever this guy is has never run a franchise and I'm going to be that he has never run any business. The only thing he knows how to run is his mouth. As a business owner you have to always worry about he bottom line. It's what keeps you in business. The bottom line matters. Making money matters. This is not a charity. Business decisions dictate the on field product in all of sports. From how much to spend on free agency, to how much to spend on long term contracts to keep your star players, to who you are going to draft and be able to sign for the right amount. Calling up top prospects to energize the fan base also happens. Again, baseball is a business and not a billionaires hobby. All owners need to worry about making a profit.

 

 

 

Making smart baseball moves produces a winning culture, which is arguably the most important factor in running a successful baseball team.

 

I also don't really see these moves "energizing" the fanbase. Outside of this forum, I see little more than apathy. In other words, if the Marlins need to rely on rushing minor league talent to the majors in order to lose 94 games instead of 100, I think they need a new business strategy.

 

 

 

My last point is that this writer has a bias against the Marlins and you can tell that right off of the bat. When he starts off the article by saying "Jeffrey Loria got his taxpayer-funded palace and painted it like the Emerald City of Oz" he shows his bias against the Marlins. If this article is about rushing prospects what does that stadium have to do with that? If his point is that Loria is getting more revenue and should be spending it on the Marlins (a point I happen to agree with) then why would he add the taxpayer funded part? As for that Oz remark I don't even understand that. When this Jeff Moore character owns his own baseball team and manages his own stadium he can paint it however he wants. Beinfest and Hill have had their ups and downs but I think they have been able to turn this thing around and we are headed in the right direction. The only thing insufferable around here are articles like this, and posters bashing every move this front office makes.

 

 

 

He probably detests Jeffrey Loria. That's the basis for the comment. I don't see what the big deal is, really, because his logic is sound with regard to these moves. Many people here have been vocalizing the same things all season and have been doing so very convincingly.

 

 

I don't disagree with his opinion that these players were rushed. That's almost a given to everyone. My problem is that even in the case of Fernandez who became an all star and Yelich who he himself seems to believe will be successful, he still manages to criticize the moves. He can't even give them credit for their successful moves. He has an agenda against the Marlins and that is what bothers me.

 

Also, while bringing these players up might not have created the buzz that they hoped for amongst the fair weather fans, it has certainly kept hard core fans like myself interested in this season. I have enjoyed watching these young kids learn on the job more than I enjoyed watching that debacle last year. I believe that there are more out there like myself and that it has created a buzz amongst the real fans.

 

 

 

 

I don't think he was saying that Yelich is going to be putting up all-star caliber numbers for the rest of the season. He has some holes in his game that suggest that he's probably not ready for the big leagues. Even if he does put up awesome numbers, the point of the article is that the FO decision is not necessarily a "successful move" anyway. The reason for that is that a club controlled year of that awesome talent is wasted just so Jeffrey Loria can say that the 2013 team won more games than the 2012 team.

 

People are concerned about the club controlled status of these players because it's pretty clear that the Marlins have assembled a pretty decent core of young talent that could be really good by 2015. It'd be nice to ensure that the core can stay under team control for that extra season before being shipped off.

 

It would be a different story if the Marlins were calling up players from the minors who clearly had nothing else to learn in the minors. In those circumstances I'd say that the Marlins had no other choice.

See, I guess I'm still naive and believe that the new stadium has released many of the financial strains it was under in Dolphins stadium. For that reason I now have the hope that the Marlins will lock up most of their homegrown talent as we begin moving forward with the franchises newest era.

 

At this point, neither you nor I understand how this front office will be handling our future players financially. Remember, when we HAD young talent in the organization the team showed it was willing to maintain decent payrolls to keep them around as long as possible. But when arb was nearing the end, then they would be dealt. Hopefully, now that we have a permanent home, they will be smart enough to lock guys up early and buy out some FA seasons so that won't have to be the game plan forever. Loria has shown he will spend money, albeit irresponsibly. NOW it's time for him to spend money the right way...

 

I guess I am just optimistic.

I can't say for sure what the Marlins will do, but they have a horrible track record in buying out arbitration. The new stadium did appear to release financial strains and yet the Marlins have continued to sit on their hands with regard to Stanton.

 

Based on what little information we have right now, it's more logical to assume that these players aren't going to be receiving contract extensions at the appropriate time. Barring an obvious change in philosophy, I would prefer for the time being that they do what they can to maximize club controlled years.

 

The entire Stanton situation is what makes me pessimistic.

I can't say for sure what the Marlins will do, but they have a horrible track record in buying out arbitration. The new stadium did appear to release financial strains and yet the Marlins have continued to sit on their hands with regard to Stanton.

 

Based on what little information we have right now, it's more logical to assume that these players aren't going to be receiving contract extensions at the appropriate time. Barring an obvious change in philosophy, I would prefer for the time being that they do what they can to maximize club controlled years.

 

The entire Stanton situation is what makes me pessimistic.

 

 

If I remember correctly the team gave contract extensions, which bought out several FA years, to Nolasco, Johnson, and Ramirez. The only really big piece from that era that wasn't kept around was Uggla, and we DID make him a great offer to stay and rightfully did not make a 5-year offer.

 

So the track record is not one-way. It shows reason to believe anything can happen. But the franchise seemed to change its previous game plan when they knew we were headed for the financial stability of a new ballpark... I would only assume that game plan will remain the same, but like I said, nobody really knows. I'm just optimistic.

I can't say for sure what the Marlins will do, but they have a horrible track record in buying out arbitration. The new stadium did appear to release financial strains and yet the Marlins have continued to sit on their hands with regard to Stanton.

 

Based on what little information we have right now, it's more logical to assume that these players aren't going to be receiving contract extensions at the appropriate time. Barring an obvious change in philosophy, I would prefer for the time being that they do what they can to maximize club controlled years.

 

The entire Stanton situation is what makes me pessimistic.

 

 

If I remember correctly the team gave contract extensions, which bought out several FA years, to Nolasco, Johnson, and Ramirez. The only really big piece from that era that wasn't kept around was Uggla, and we DID make him a great offer to stay and rightfully did not make a 5-year offer.

 

 

 

 

What about Ross, Willingham, or Anibal?

 

Let's not forget that the Marlins started so easily giving away talent in this era that the idea of getting legitimate returns for their players is sheer nonsense.

I can't say for sure what the Marlins will do, but they have a horrible track record in buying out arbitration. The new stadium did appear to release financial strains and yet the Marlins have continued to sit on their hands with regard to Stanton.

 

Based on what little information we have right now, it's more logical to assume that these players aren't going to be receiving contract extensions at the appropriate time. Barring an obvious change in philosophy, I would prefer for the time being that they do what they can to maximize club controlled years.

 

The entire Stanton situation is what makes me pessimistic.

 

 

If I remember correctly the team gave contract extensions, which bought out several FA years, to Nolasco, Johnson, and Ramirez. The only really big piece from that era that wasn't kept around was Uggla, and we DID make him a great offer to stay and rightfully did not make a 5-year offer.

 

So the track record is not one-way. It shows reason to believe anything can happen. But the franchise seemed to change its previous game plan when they knew we were headed for the financial stability of a new ballpark... I would only assume that game plan will remain the same, but like I said, nobody really knows. I'm just optimistic.

 

 

The league mandated them to spend. They were not being altruistic.

 

The failure of not buying out Cabrera will go down as one of the greatest blunders in the history of the game.

I can't say for sure what the Marlins will do, but they have a horrible track record in buying out arbitration. The new stadium did appear to release financial strains and yet the Marlins have continued to sit on their hands with regard to Stanton.

 

Based on what little information we have right now, it's more logical to assume that these players aren't going to be receiving contract extensions at the appropriate time. Barring an obvious change in philosophy, I would prefer for the time being that they do what they can to maximize club controlled years.

 

The entire Stanton situation is what makes me pessimistic.

 

If I remember correctly the team gave contract extensions, which bought out several FA years, to Nolasco, Johnson, and Ramirez. The only really big piece from that era that wasn't kept around was Uggla, and we DID make him a great offer to stay and rightfully did not make a 5-year offer.

 

 

What about Ross, Willingham, or Anibal?

 

Let's not forget that the Marlins started so easily giving away talent in this era that the idea of getting legitimate returns for their players is sheer nonsense.

 

Fortunately, they weren't dumb enough to give Cody Ross an extension.

Willingham also had back issues, Anibal had shoulder issues.

Not the guys on the top of the list for re-signing.

Willingham also had back issues, Anibal had shoulder issues.

Not the guys on the top of the list for re-signing.

 

 

This.

I can't say for sure what the Marlins will do, but they have a horrible track record in buying out arbitration. The new stadium did appear to release financial strains and yet the Marlins have continued to sit on their hands with regard to Stanton.

 

Based on what little information we have right now, it's more logical to assume that these players aren't going to be receiving contract extensions at the appropriate time. Barring an obvious change in philosophy, I would prefer for the time being that they do what they can to maximize club controlled years.

 

The entire Stanton situation is what makes me pessimistic.

 

 

If I remember correctly the team gave contract extensions, which bought out several FA years, to Nolasco, Johnson, and Ramirez. The only really big piece from that era that wasn't kept around was Uggla, and we DID make him a great offer to stay and rightfully did not make a 5-year offer.

 

 

 

 

What about Ross, Willingham, or Anibal?

 

Let's not forget that the Marlins started so easily giving away talent in this era that the idea of getting legitimate returns for their players is sheer nonsense.

 

 

 

 

I don't think you can lump in Anibal with those other guys. The return that we got from Detroit (Jacobs/Brantly/Flynn) is still looking very promising. I know Brantly is backing up Mathis right now, but I think that is more because of the youthful pitching staff than anything else. Once our young core of pitchers establishes itself I think Brantly will be our everyday catcher. I also think with regular playing time he will hit much better. Jacobs has just been phenomenal since being recalled this season. I think he might have turned the corner. On top of that Brian Flynn has been very good in AA/AAA. He is a tall lefty with good K numbers. He might be the next rotation call up if Koehler fails to hold onto his spot. I for one really like the return we received from Detroit on this trade.

On top of that Brian Flynn has been very good in AA/AAA. He is a tall lefty with good K numbers. He might be the next rotation call up if Koehler fails to hold onto his spot. I for one really like the return we received from Detroit on this trade.

 

 

He might be, but people have been saying for a while... he's the most likely candidate to replace Jose in the rotation once he gets shut down at his innings limit.

On top of that Brian Flynn has been very good in AA/AAA. He is a tall lefty with good K numbers. He might be the next rotation call up if Koehler fails to hold onto his spot. I for one really like the return we received from Detroit on this trade.

 

 

He might be, but people have been saying for a while... he's the most likely candidate to replace Jose in the rotation once he gets shut down at his innings limit.

 

 

Yea, and honestly, Koehler has done a great job pretty much all year. No reason for him to go anywhere...

Yeah, no reason to replace Koehler unless he gets injured.

4.38 ERA and a 1.224 WHIP, 8.3 H/9 is good enough for a #5. He's not striking anyone out, but he's not done terribad.

I can't say for sure what the Marlins will do, but they have a horrible track record in buying out arbitration. The new stadium did appear to release financial strains and yet the Marlins have continued to sit on their hands with regard to Stanton.

 

Based on what little information we have right now, it's more logical to assume that these players aren't going to be receiving contract extensions at the appropriate time. Barring an obvious change in philosophy, I would prefer for the time being that they do what they can to maximize club controlled years.

 

The entire Stanton situation is what makes me pessimistic.

 

 

 

 

If I remember correctly the team gave contract extensions, which bought out several FA years, to Nolasco, Johnson, and Ramirez. The only really big piece from that era that wasn't kept around was Uggla, and we DID make him a great offer to stay and rightfully did not make a 5-year offer.

 

So the track record is not one-way. It shows reason to believe anything can happen. But the franchise seemed to change its previous game plan when they knew we were headed for the financial stability of a new ballpark... I would only assume that game plan will remain the same, but like I said, nobody really knows. I'm just optimistic.

 

 

 

The league mandated them to spend. They were not being altruistic.

 

The failure of not buying out Cabrera will go down as one of the greatest blunders in the history of the game.

 

 

 

 

I don't think this is true.

It was widely reported that the league told them to spend. The Nolasco and JJ extensions happened right as the report that the league told the Marlins to spend more came out. Hanley came before, but was right in the middle of the stadium push and the backlash at how poorly the Cabrera trade turned out. And almost didnt get done on top of it due to the normal way the Marlins conduct contract negotiations.

It was widely reported that the league told them to spend. The Nolasco and JJ extensions happened right as the report that the league told the Marlins to spend more came out. Hanley came before, but was right in the middle of the stadium push and the backlash at how poorly the Cabrera trade turned out. And almost didnt get done on top of it due to the normal way the Marlins conduct contract negotiations.

 

 

I don't remember it going down that way. I remember the Marlins were in conversations with JJ about a contract extension before things slowed down. I believe it was whether or not to give JJ the 4th year he wanted on the deal. That's when MLB stepped in.

 

I also don't remember the MLB having any involvement with the Nolasco extension.

Pretty much exactly how it went down, actually. The MLB players association gave the Marlins a blanket demand to spend more.

The last three seasons are the exact reason MLB and the MLBPA should never get involved in a teams finances.

 

Hanley was a scrub for a few years, JJ was always injured (reasonin for not wanting that fourth year) and Nolasco wasn't worth the paper his contract was printed on.

 

In my opinion, the marlins hand out long term contracts perfectly, hesitant to add extra years to injury probe players and at fair market value.

 

See Uggla, and what he declined and got and his production. AJ Burnett too.

 

I can't see the marlins giving Stanton more than 5 years without out clauses.

 

Nothing good came out if the marlins spending, and I don't think I can name a good Free Agent signing for any team that ended up being a great deal or a fair deal recently. The only one I can think of is Pudge, and maybe... Maybe prince fielder but its too early to tell.

Pretty much exactly how it went down, actually. The MLB players association gave the Marlins a blanket demand to spend more.

 

 

 

Again, I think you're wrong. Unless there is another event in which you can point to where the MLB or MLBPA literally demanded then to spend money. The one you referred to earlier was just interference in the JJ extensions. The Marlins were already in negotiations with JJ before they stepped in and already had Ramirez locked up.

The last three seasons are the exact reason MLB and the MLBPA should never get involved in a teams finances.

 

Hanley was a scrub for a few years, JJ was always injured (reasonin for not wanting that fourth year) and Nolasco wasn't worth the paper his contract was printed on.

 

In my opinion, the marlins hand out long term contracts perfectly, hesitant to add extra years to injury probe players and at fair market value.

 

See Uggla, and what he declined and got and his production. AJ Burnett too.

 

I can't see the marlins giving Stanton more than 5 years without out clauses.

 

Nothing good came out if the marlins spending, and I don't think I can name a good Free Agent signing for any team that ended up being a great deal or a fair deal recently. The only one I can think of is Pudge, and maybe... Maybe prince fielder but its too early to tell.

 

 

By the games bylaws, they had to spend. The money from revenue sharing and the leagues TV contract is supposed to be used to help smaller franchises stay competitive. It was intended to be used on the team. Loria didnt use the money in this fashion.