This service time bullcrap is part of the reason why I'm just not that into baseball anymore.

 

 

I agree that it shouldn't play any role in the development of a player. If someone is ready to contribute to your team and help you win, they should be in the majors, regardless of how fast it will get them paid a major league salary. For some to say the Marlins made the wrong decision to bring up Jose Fernandez, even though he is one of the best pitchers in the game, is absolutely mind boggling. I understand he loses an extra year of club control. I GET THAT. But no All-Star caliber player should be in Double-A because of it. Let the most talented players be on the field.

This service time bullcrap is part of the reason why I'm just not that into baseball anymore.

 

 

I agree that it shouldn't play any role in the development of a player. If someone is ready to contribute to your team and help you win, they should be in the majors, regardless of how fast it will get them paid a major league salary. For some to say the Marlins made the wrong decision to bring up Jose Fernandez, even though he is one of the best pitchers in the game, is absolutely mind boggling. I understand he loses an extra year of club control. I GET THAT. But no All-Star caliber player should be in Double-A because of it. Let the most talented players be on the field.

 

 

So basically you're okay wasting a year of a player being on your team for a meaningless season? A real GM has to think about several seasons, not just the current one.

This service time bullcrap is part of the reason why I'm just not that into baseball anymore.

 

I agree that it shouldn't play any role in the development of a player. If someone is ready to contribute to your team and help you win, they should be in the majors, regardless of how fast it will get them paid a major league salary. For some to say the Marlins made the wrong decision to bring up Jose Fernandez, even though he is one of the best pitchers in the game, is absolutely mind boggling. I understand he loses an extra year of club control. I GET THAT. But no All-Star caliber player should be in Double-A because of it. Let the most talented players be on the field.That's not what sirspud was talking about. He was saying he hates that the system is set up in such a way as to make keeping some of your better players in the minors the correct move.

This service time bullcrap is part of the reason why I'm just not that into baseball anymore.

 

 

I agree that it shouldn't play any role in the development of a player. If someone is ready to contribute to your team and help you win, they should be in the majors, regardless of how fast it will get them paid a major league salary. For some to say the Marlins made the wrong decision to bring up Jose Fernandez, even though he is one of the best pitchers in the game, is absolutely mind boggling. I understand he loses an extra year of club control. I GET THAT. But no All-Star caliber player should be in Double-A because of it. Let the most talented players be on the field.

 

 

So basically you're okay wasting a year of a player being on your team for a meaningless season? A real GM has to think about several seasons, not just the current one.

 

 

 

What's to say that any of the following six seasons are going to be meaningful?

This service time bullcrap is part of the reason why I'm just not that into baseball anymore.

 

 

I agree that it shouldn't play any role in the development of a player. If someone is ready to contribute to your team and help you win, they should be in the majors, regardless of how fast it will get them paid a major league salary. For some to say the Marlins made the wrong decision to bring up Jose Fernandez, even though he is one of the best pitchers in the game, is absolutely mind boggling. I understand he loses an extra year of club control. I GET THAT. But no All-Star caliber player should be in Double-A because of it. Let the most talented players be on the field.

 

 

So basically you're okay wasting a year of a player being on your team for a meaningless season? A real GM has to think about several seasons, not just the current one.

 

 

 

What's to say that any of the following six seasons are going to be meaningful?

 

 

 

 

Nothing is guaranteed, obviously. That doesn't mean you don't plan ahead to give yourself the best chance to succeed. Hell, you could die tomorrow in a car crash. Should you do something stupid tonight just because you might die tomorrow?

This service time bullcrap is part of the reason why I'm just not that into baseball anymore.

 

 

I agree that it shouldn't play any role in the development of a player. If someone is ready to contribute to your team and help you win, they should be in the majors, regardless of how fast it will get them paid a major league salary. For some to say the Marlins made the wrong decision to bring up Jose Fernandez, even though he is one of the best pitchers in the game, is absolutely mind boggling. I understand he loses an extra year of club control. I GET THAT. But no All-Star caliber player should be in Double-A because of it. Let the most talented players be on the field.

 

 

So basically you're okay wasting a year of a player being on your team for a meaningless season? A real GM has to think about several seasons, not just the current one.

 

 

 

What's to say that any of the following six seasons are going to be meaningful?

 

 

 

 

Nothing is guaranteed, obviously. That doesn't mean you don't plan ahead to give yourself the best chance to succeed. Hell, you could die tomorrow in a car crash. Should you do something stupid tonight just because you might die tomorrow?

 

 

 

Maybe doing something stupid tonight causes the car crash tomorrow.

This service time bullcrap is part of the reason why I'm just not that into baseball anymore.

 

 

I agree that it shouldn't play any role in the development of a player. If someone is ready to contribute to your team and help you win, they should be in the majors, regardless of how fast it will get them paid a major league salary. For some to say the Marlins made the wrong decision to bring up Jose Fernandez, even though he is one of the best pitchers in the game, is absolutely mind boggling. I understand he loses an extra year of club control. I GET THAT. But no All-Star caliber player should be in Double-A because of it. Let the most talented players be on the field.

 

 

So basically you're okay wasting a year of a player being on your team for a meaningless season? A real GM has to think about several seasons, not just the current one.

 

 

 

What's to say that any of the following six seasons are going to be meaningful?

 

 

 

 

Nothing is guaranteed, obviously. That doesn't mean you don't plan ahead to give yourself the best chance to succeed. Hell, you could die tomorrow in a car crash. Should you do something stupid tonight just because you might die tomorrow?

 

 

Should you not do your best today because you'll have a better chance tomorrow? Really your analogy is pointless. To be honest, I don't care to debate it either way.

 

Whether or not it is smart doesn't change the fact that baseball is less interesting because of having a reward for not playing deserving youngsters in the bigs. We should be celebrating our extremely young all star pitcher, but instead there is more focus on service time. That's bull____. Combine it with a draft that doesn't effectively spread out talent to the lesser teams due to signability, and the fact that pitchers are babied more than they ever were before, yet get hurt more than they ever did before because anytime doing a repetitive motion causes some discomfort they are shut down, and it's simply a game where you never see the full field of potential talent out there. There is a reason the American public doesn't care half as much as it used to.

But you realize that this service time is something that actually benefits teams like the Marlins, right? If they are smart enough to use it correctly, they can have their best young players for as long as possible. Imagine how it would be if these guys were paid legit contracts right away.

Should you not do your best today because you'll have a better chance tomorrow? Really your analogy is pointless. To be honest, I don't care to debate it either way.

 

 

 

How is it pointless to look to the future than being short sighted? Everyone else is correct. This move is all about the front office trying to save face. It's a terrible baseball decision. Also, when Jose Fernandez blows out his arm by age 26, you will then realize how stupid it is for him to pitch this year.

Should you not do your best today because you'll have a better chance tomorrow? Really your analogy is pointless. To be honest, I don't care to debate it either way.

 

 

 

How is it pointless to look to the future than being short sighted? Everyone else is correct. This move is all about the front office trying to save face. It's a terrible baseball decision. Also, when Jose Fernandez blows out his arm by age 26, you will then realize how stupid it is for him to pitch this year.

 

 

 

What difference does it make if he's pitching here or in Greensboro or Jacksonville? I would rather have our best players on our big league club and you can't argue that he wasn't ready.

If they shut him down at 175 IP, then what is the difference to his arm?

Should you not do your best today because you'll have a better chance tomorrow? Really your analogy is pointless. To be honest, I don't care to debate it either way.

 

 

 

How is it pointless to look to the future than being short sighted? Everyone else is correct. This move is all about the front office trying to save face. It's a terrible baseball decision. Also, when Jose Fernandez blows out his arm by age 26, you will then realize how stupid it is for him to pitch this year.

 

 

Just like it was stupid for Kershaw to pitch at 20, or for King Felix to pitch at 19. Look at them now. They sure look overworked

Should you not do your best today because you'll have a better chance tomorrow? Really your analogy is pointless. To be honest, I don't care to debate it either way.

 

 

 

How is it pointless to look to the future than being short sighted? Everyone else is correct. This move is all about the front office trying to save face. It's a terrible baseball decision. Also, when Jose Fernandez blows out his arm by age 26, you will then realize how stupid it is for him to pitch this year.

 

 

 

 

Knock on wood here, but Jose's motion is so fluid and natural looking (contrary to JJ) that I don't see him having any serious arm trouble.

 

Is he throwing harder in the big leagues than he would in milb? Is he throwing sharper breaking balls? My guess would be probably not.

Should you not do your best today because you'll have a better chance tomorrow? Really your analogy is pointless. To be honest, I don't care to debate it either way.

 

 

 

How is it pointless to look to the future than being short sighted? Everyone else is correct. This move is all about the front office trying to save face. It's a terrible baseball decision. Also, when Jose Fernandez blows out his arm by age 26, you will then realize how stupid it is for him to pitch this year.

 

 

Just like it was stupid for Kershaw to pitch at 20, or for King Felix to pitch at 19. Look at them now. They sure look overworked

 

 

 

 

Yeah but those teams actually lock down their stars. It's kinda sad for us because this just means one less year we get to see jose in a fish uniform when perhaps we'd be competitive.

I'm not worried about him blowing out his arm. I just think it's smarter to be conscious of your minimum-salary seasons if you're the Marlins. Those seasons are extremely valuable to a contending team and particularly a team that has a track record like this one. Those players give you flexibility elsewhere, and when they're GOOD players on top of being cheap, it goesn't get any better.

 

If the team starts spending money again perhaps it won't matter but until that happens it's something they should keep in mind. No matter how well Fernandez does this year, the Marlins will have used up one of his three league-minimum seasons on a team that has no chance of competing.

 

 

 

I'm not furious over it or anything, and it doesn't lessen my enjoyment of watching a phenom like him pitch this season. I just think it would've been smarter for the team overall. Might amount to nothing down the road, who knows.

 

 

 

I don't disagree with spud necessarily that it's lame to feel like you have to concern yourself with this stuff but these are the Marlins we're talking about.

Jose Fernandez pitching in the big leagues has nothing to do with him blowing out his arm if that indeed does happen. It's not as if the plan would've been different in the minor leagues.

I think the article is pretty spot on. The Marlins are trying too hard to win in a season that doesn't matter to the point where they are jeopardizing the development and club control of their best prospects.

 

Beinfest and Hill are really insufferable. They are always too shortsighted in their decision making and make rash moves trying to win when the team isn't competing.

 

 

This article is crap. He admits that he didn't think Jose Fernandez would be this good this soon but he still criticizes the move because it served no purpose because the Marlins are in last place. He also thinks Yelich will be successful but again it's a bad move because you could have saved him for next summer so that we can control him through 2020 instead of 2019. Sure and if we don't call him up until the summer of 2015 we could control him until 2021 and so on. What's the point? We need to wait until the team is good or winning to call up our top prospects? How do you win or get better if you keep your better prospects in the minors? It's just dumb. I understand his point on rushing Ozuna and maybe Marisnick but really what is the harm? At worst they get a taste of the big leagues and go back down for more seasoning and come back up when they are ready. Teams do it all of the time.

 

Also, whoever this guy is has never run a franchise and I'm going to be that he has never run any business. The only thing he knows how to run is his mouth. As a business owner you have to always worry about he bottom line. It's what keeps you in business. The bottom line matters. Making money matters. This is not a charity. Business decisions dictate the on field product in all of sports. From how much to spend on free agency, to how much to spend on long term contracts to keep your star players, to who you are going to draft and be able to sign for the right amount. Calling up top prospects to energize the fan base also happens. Again, baseball is a business and not a billionaires hobby. All owners need to worry about making a profit.

 

My last point is that this writer has a bias against the Marlins and you can tell that right off of the bat. When he starts off the article by saying "Jeffrey Loria got his taxpayer-funded palace and painted it like the Emerald City of Oz" he shows his bias against the Marlins. If this article is about rushing prospects what does that stadium have to do with that? If his point is that Loria is getting more revenue and should be spending it on the Marlins (a point I happen to agree with) then why would he add the taxpayer funded part? As for that Oz remark I don't even understand that. When this Jeff Moore character owns his own baseball team and manages his own stadium he can paint it however he wants. Beinfest and Hill have had their ups and downs but I think they have been able to turn this thing around and we are headed in the right direction. The only thing insufferable around here are articles like this, and posters bashing every move this front office makes.

I think the article is pretty spot on. The Marlins are trying too hard to win in a season that doesn't matter to the point where they are jeopardizing the development and club control of their best prospects.

 

Beinfest and Hill are really insufferable. They are always too shortsighted in their decision making and make rash moves trying to win when the team isn't competing.

 

 

This article is crap. He admits that he didn't think Jose Fernandez would be this good this soon but he still criticizes the move because it served no purpose because the Marlins are in last place. He also thinks Yelich will be successful but again it's a bad move because you could have saved him for next summer so that we can control him through 2020 instead of 2019. Sure and if we don't call him up until the summer of 2015 we could control him until 2021 and so on. What's the point? We need to wait until the team is good or winning to call up our top prospects? How do you win or get better if you keep your better prospects in the minors? It's just dumb. I understand his point on rushing Ozuna and maybe Marisnick but really what is the harm? At worst they get a taste of the big leagues and go back down for more seasoning and come back up when they are ready. Teams do it all of the time.

 

Also, whoever this guy is has never run a franchise and I'm going to be that he has never run any business. The only thing he knows how to run is his mouth. As a business owner you have to always worry about he bottom line. It's what keeps you in business. The bottom line matters. Making money matters. This is not a charity. Business decisions dictate the on field product in all of sports. From how much to spend on free agency, to how much to spend on long term contracts to keep your star players, to who you are going to draft and be able to sign for the right amount. Calling up top prospects to energize the fan base also happens. Again, baseball is a business and not a billionaires hobby. All owners need to worry about making a profit.

 

My last point is that this writer has a bias against the Marlins and you can tell that right off of the bat. When he starts off the article by saying "Jeffrey Loria got his taxpayer-funded palace and painted it like the Emerald City of Oz" he shows his bias against the Marlins. If this article is about rushing prospects what does that stadium have to do with that? If his point is that Loria is getting more revenue and should be spending it on the Marlins (a point I happen to agree with) then why would he add the taxpayer funded part? As for that Oz remark I don't even understand that. When this Jeff Moore character owns his own baseball team and manages his own stadium he can paint it however he wants. Beinfest and Hill have had their ups and downs but I think they have been able to turn this thing around and we are headed in the right direction. The only thing insufferable around here are articles like this, and posters bashing every move this front office makes.

 

 

Awesome post, couldn't agree more. I think this front office may have made more money with Fernandez on the team this year than it would have saved in the future by having him in Double-A. It created a buzz, promoted the team now, and sent a message to fans on where it's headed in the future. Also, maybe more important than the immediate financial impact, was the positive PR impact. This team had ZERO positive media heading into this season and if not for a guy like Jose they might still be in that hole. He has helped this team generate a buzz, and more importantly, he has helped this team WIN. He is the new face of the franchise, the role he has taken from Giancarlo Stanton, who has failed to embrace this market and this franchise.

Its hard to blame Stanton for not embracing the franchise.

Stanton hasn't done anything wrong off the field this year so I'm not sure what that means.

Was that directed at me?

Was that directed at me?

 

 

No

It means he doesn't care and doesn't want to play for us.

Which is so clearly obvious.

It means he doesn't care and doesn't want to play for us.

Which is so clearly obvious.

 

 

His swinging strike percentage is down from 14.7% last year to 13.9% this year. Obviously he doesn't give a f*** because he can't be bothered to swing, right guise?

I think the article is pretty spot on. The Marlins are trying too hard to win in a season that doesn't matter to the point where they are jeopardizing the development and club control of their best prospects.

 

Beinfest and Hill are really insufferable. They are always too shortsighted in their decision making and make rash moves trying to win when the team isn't competing.

 

 

This article is crap. He admits that he didn't think Jose Fernandez would be this good this soon but he still criticizes the move because it served no purpose because the Marlins are in last place. He also thinks Yelich will be successful but again it's a bad move because you could have saved him for next summer so that we can control him through 2020 instead of 2019. Sure and if we don't call him up until the summer of 2015 we could control him until 2021 and so on. What's the point? We need to wait until the team is good or winning to call up our top prospects? How do you win or get better if you keep your better prospects in the minors? It's just dumb. I understand his point on rushing Ozuna and maybe Marisnick but really what is the harm? At worst they get a taste of the big leagues and go back down for more seasoning and come back up when they are ready. Teams do it all of the time.

 

Also, whoever this guy is has never run a franchise and I'm going to be that he has never run any business. The only thing he knows how to run is his mouth. As a business owner you have to always worry about he bottom line. It's what keeps you in business. The bottom line matters. Making money matters. This is not a charity. Business decisions dictate the on field product in all of sports. From how much to spend on free agency, to how much to spend on long term contracts to keep your star players, to who you are going to draft and be able to sign for the right amount. Calling up top prospects to energize the fan base also happens. Again, baseball is a business and not a billionaires hobby. All owners need to worry about making a profit.

 

My last point is that this writer has a bias against the Marlins and you can tell that right off of the bat. When he starts off the article by saying "Jeffrey Loria got his taxpayer-funded palace and painted it like the Emerald City of Oz" he shows his bias against the Marlins. If this article is about rushing prospects what does that stadium have to do with that? If his point is that Loria is getting more revenue and should be spending it on the Marlins (a point I happen to agree with) then why would he add the taxpayer funded part? As for that Oz remark I don't even understand that. When this Jeff Moore character owns his own baseball team and manages his own stadium he can paint it however he wants. Beinfest and Hill have had their ups and downs but I think they have been able to turn this thing around and we are headed in the right direction. The only thing insufferable around here are articles like this, and posters bashing every move this front office makes.

 

 

Awesome post, couldn't agree more. I think this front office may have made more money with Fernandez on the team this year than it would have saved in the future by having him in Double-A. It created a buzz, promoted the team now, and sent a message to fans on where it's headed in the future. Also, maybe more important than the immediate financial impact, was the positive PR impact. This team had ZERO positive media heading into this season and if not for a guy like Jose they might still be in that hole. He has helped this team generate a buzz, and more importantly, he has helped this team WIN. He is the new face of the franchise, the role he has taken from Giancarlo Stanton, who has failed to embrace this market and this franchise.

 

 

 

 

What the hell have the Marlins won because of Fernandez being here? Wow, they might win a few more games. They are still a last place team.