Posted August 2, 201311 yr Updated, here's the list. A-Rod (appealing) - 211 games 50 games for all without an appeal: • Nelson Cruz, Texas Rangers outfielder. • Everth Cabrera, San Diego Padres shortstop. • Jhonny Peralta, Detroit Tigers shortstop. • Antonio Bastardo, Philadelphia Phillies reliever. • Jordany Valdespin, New York Mets outfielder. • Francisco Cervelli, Yankees catcher. • Jesus Montero, Seattle Mariners catcher. • Cesar Puello, New York Mets outfield prospect. • Fautino De Los Santos, San Diego Padres pitching prospect. • Sergio Escalona, Houston Astros pitching prospect. • Fernando Martinez, New York Yankees outfield prospect. • Jordan Norberto, free-agent pitcher.
August 2, 201311 yr I don't think Arod is going to take the deal. He's going to fight this ban, and lose.
August 3, 201311 yr I think A-Rod cuts a deal to sit out the rest of this season and all of next year. Come back at age 40 and collect his money.
August 5, 201311 yr I'm hoping he gets a lifetime ban if he loses his appeal. That's ridiculous; he was given 211 games AND he's going to appeal that?
August 5, 201311 yr Meaning he'll be able to play the rest of the season including the playoffs if they make it, right?
August 5, 201311 yr Meaning he'll be able to play the rest of the season including the playoffs if they make it, right? That, unfortunately, is EXACTLY what it means. :|
August 6, 201311 yr A-rods suspension is so unfair. Bud Selig is obviously helping his old team the Brewers, and on the other hand mlb's cash cow the, yankees. Braun and A-rod had to be suspended the same amount of time.
August 6, 201311 yr Author A-rods suspension is so unfair. Bud Selig is obviously helping his old team the Brewers, and on the other hand mlb's cash cow the, yankees. Braun and A-rod had to be suspended the same amount of time. I don't see how you can say that. You don't know what dirt MLB has on A-Rod or to what extent A-Rod impeded investigations.
August 6, 201311 yr Author 1st offense, 50 games, the agreement is pretty clear. This isn't about failed drug tests.
August 6, 201311 yr This must suck for kids who grew up fans of Rodriguez. Seems like he's been involved with stuff like this his entire MLB career.
August 6, 201311 yr 1st offense, 50 games, the agreement is pretty clear. This isn't about failed drug tests. The union should just disband if they permit arbitrary punishment. Love him or hate him, this is a first offense. In addition, freeing the Yankees from a tens of millions of dollars comitment harms the other teams. The would pay less luxury tax and have more money to compete in the marketplace. His crime is covering it up - which Braun also did and for which he only took a 65 game penalty. Rodriguez is going to have a powerful case before an arbitrator.
August 6, 201311 yr Author 1st offense, 50 games, the agreement is pretty clear. This isn't about failed drug tests. The union should just disband if they permit arbitrary punishment. Love him or hate him, this is a first offense. In addition, freeing the Yankees from a tens of millions of dollars comitment harms the other teams. The would pay less luxury tax and have more money to compete in the marketplace. His crime is covering it up - which Braun also did and for which he only took a 65 game penalty. Rodriguez is going to have a powerful case before an arbitrator. To the contrary of what you said earlier, the agreement is NOT clear on this. If the evidence shows that he purchased PEDs over multiple seasons (allegedly it does) on top of him impeding the investigation, MLB has a right to determine the punishment since this is not a matter of a single failed drug test. I wouldn't call that unreasonable by any means since there is no protocol in place for this kind of scenario. The Yankees should have the right to spend that freed up money elsewhere unless MLB somehow has reason to believe that the team was complicit in the acquisition of steroids. Ideally MLB would force the clubs in these instances to give the money to charity but I don't think there is anything in the agreement saying this.
August 7, 201311 yr "A Player who tests positive fora a Performance Enhancing Substance, or otherwise violates the Program..." (emphasis mine) - 50 games In addition a case can be made that he failed to comply or that he impeded, that is 15 games. He probably has a pretty good arbitration argument for 65 games. The burden of proof is on the commissioners office in all cases. Even if they demonstrate that he distributed the PED it would stop at 165 total.
August 7, 201311 yr Author I don't think that a non-standard drug case with evidence of multiple different substances being used over multiple years fits into the mold of "otherwise violated." It seems silly to me that multiple violations should be treated as a single offense just because they are lumped together in one discovery of evidence. The joint agreement was clearly not crafted with this type of scenario in mind. It's perfectly reasonable for MLB to refuse to treat this as a "first offense." An arbitration panel could disagree, I suppose, but that doesn't mean that they're right.
August 7, 201311 yr Hey, seriously, fuck that guy. I couldn't give a rat's ass about A-Rod. But if the MLBPA lays down for punishments outside the agreement, they should just disband. As a player, he operates under both his contract and the union agreements, he is limited by both and entitled to the protections of both.
August 7, 201311 yr Author Again, I fail to see how MLB is operating outside of the agreement. This is a completely non-standard drug case. I don't think it applies to what you quoted above.
August 8, 201311 yr Again, I fail to see how MLB is operating outside of the agreement. This is a completely non-standard drug case. I don't think it applies to what you quoted above. Standard or not, it's a first offense. MLB shouldn't be able to bend the rules anyway they see fit, and the MLBPA rightfully shouldn't let them. I hope A-Rod wins this.
August 8, 201311 yr Author Again, I fail to see how MLB is operating outside of the agreement. This is a completely non-standard drug case. I don't think it applies to what you quoted above. Standard or not, it's a first offense. MLB shouldn't be able to bend the rules anyway they see fit, and the MLBPA rightfully shouldn't let them. I hope A-Rod wins this. It's not a "first offense" really, as I've been saying. It's a single discovery of evidence pointing to multiple offenses over a period of time.
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