Josh Johnson who signed a 1 year deal with the Padres will miss the season after having undergo Tommy John surgery, it will be his second time

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/josh-johnson-will-undergo-tommy-john-surgery--won-t-pitch-an-inning-for-padres-in--14-211958350.html;_ylt=A0SO80zlNVhT.WUAn.tXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTB0cDAxNDRiBHNlYwNzYwRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1ZJUDI5M18x

damn, it's been a tough couple of years for JJ.

Sucks to say it, but he needs to retire. Save his money and his arm.

Good move cutting him loose when we did. We should have done it earlier, but thankfully we managed to get something out of him.

damn, it's been a tough couple of years for JJ.

 

Well, he's collected some pretty hefty pay checks despite contributing very little.

Loria is a genious!!!!!

Or genius.

 

Loria is a financial realist, for sure. Massive losses tend to get your attention when you're the one suffering them. Never mind that you'll ultimately come out OK when you sell the team. Negative cash flow comes out of your hide today -- right now, not when you sell.

 

A genius, baseball-wise? I doubt even Samson thinks that at this point. Not even JJ, never mind Loria knew JJ would have to take a second whack at TJ surgery two years ago. Loria dumped JJ because he needed to dump payroll. And so he did.

 

Including this year, JJ's earned about 50 mill and netted about 25, so he should have no worries. He obviously loves to pitch or he wouldn't bother going through TJ again.

 

Just another example of a failed pitching contract.

He's done, sometimes they say you come back better after TJ....but over the last 2 years it seems he has lost his stuff

Poor JJ

I was at the game where JJ came back in to pitch after a lengthy rain delay. Is Girardi the reason for JJ's injuries? Probably not, but we love blaming managers, right?

I was at the game where JJ came back in to pitch after a lengthy rain delay. Is Girardi the reason for JJ's injuries? Probably not, but we love blaming managers, right?

I was there too

What do you mean when you say that JJ "earned 50 mil, but netted 25 mil"?

 

After taxes or something?

What do you mean when you say that JJ "earned 50 mil, but netted 25 mil"?

 

After taxes or something?

No, Loria signed into JJs contracts that half goes back to him.

If Loria were a genius he would have traded him during the 2012 season.

What do you mean when you say that JJ "earned 50 mil, but netted 25 mil"?

 

After taxes or something?

 

Yup. Round numbers -- federal income tax 40%, state income tax 5%, agent 5%. There's also the 1.45% Medicare (FICA) tax on all earnings, without limit (114K limit for the 6.2% Social Security portion of FICA.) Unless he's managed to fritter away about 25 mill, he's set for life.

 

You have to really love to pitch to have someone take a knife to your arm (and your other arm or a leg to get the replacement ligament) and go through the year of rehab -- again. Then, there's the guys who really, really love to pitch -- the ones who have had TJ reconstruction done three times. Ouch.

Thinking about those few 3-time TJ guys, if they used their own replacement ligaments they've probably got a problem if they wanted to go for a 4th round of TJ.

 

#1 might use the ligament from the other arm. #2 might use the ligament from the back of one knee. #3 might use the ligament from the other knee. Regardless of the order, you're out of ligaments that can be used (assuming wrist and ankle ligaments can't be used -- probably too small -- I've never seen them referenced.)

 

So, #4 would probably have to be a cadaver ligament. Which has supposedly been done, but I would think that it has to be accompanied by a whole pile of drugs to prevent tissue-rejection. As far as I'm aware nobody has ever done TJ four times.

 

The natural limit would seem to be three, but give it enough time and someone will go for four.

Doing a little more reading, it appears that many TJs use a tendon (muscle to bone) to replace the ligament (bone to bone.) Once attached in the reconstruction the tendon slowly turns into a ligament. So, that opens up an almost unlimited number of TJ surgeries per arm. Arm tendons, ankle tendons, near-hamstring tendons -- lots of tendons available. Most used seems to be the palmaris tendon and the gracilis tendon (near the hamstings.)

 

There are also experiments with stuff like Kevlar and other fibers going on. The bionic future.

I thought I read somewhere that they used parts from cadavers on some people

If Loria were a genius he would have traded him during the 2012 season.

Yea, 'cause that Blue Jays trade didn't work out...

Yea, 'cause that Blue Jays trade didn't work out...

Well, it's not certain one way or the other.

 

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Well, it's not certain one way or the other.

 

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Only two players from that deal are even in Toronto today. It's pretty safe to say that deal will be in our corner.

No question that the fish won the Toronto deal

Marisnick, Nicolino and DeSclafani are unproven. Alvarez is inconsistent. I don't see how you could say with certainty that we won that trade, especially when they got Jose Reyes back in that deal. While Reyes is injury-prone, he's still one hell of a *proven* player.

Yea, 'cause that Blue Jays trade didn't work out...

 

That's a dumb thing to say. The Blue Jays trade worked out in large part because they dumped a lot of overpriced contracts. The Marlins could have gotten more value for Johnson in 2012 when half the league was interested in trading for him.

 

You can say that the Toronto trade "worked out" but that doesn't mean that the Marlins couldn't have gotten a much better return for Johnson if they handled the situation differently.

That's a dumb thing to say. The Blue Jays trade worked out in large part because they dumped a lot of overpriced contracts. The Marlins could have gotten more value for Johnson in 2012 when half the league was interested in trading for him.

 

You can say that the Toronto trade "worked out" but that doesn't mean that the Marlins couldn't have gotten a much better return for Johnson if they handled the situation differently.

And maybe they didn't deal him in '12 because he wasn't worth shit and nobody made a good offer?

Marisnick, Nicolino and DeSclafani are unproven. Alvarez is inconsistent. I don't see how you could say with certainty that we won that trade, especially when they got Jose Reyes back in that deal. While Reyes is injury-prone, he's still one hell of a *proven* player.

 

Alvarez hasn't given up more than 3 ER in any start this season. But he's not consistent.