BA Top 20 prospects

[fanofthefish]

Baseball America is assembling their top 20 prospects per league. Thus far these are Marlins players listed:

 

In the Gulf Coast League they had the #2 in Tyler Kolek, #20 OF-Isael Soto and a player that played foe the GCL Marlins before he was traded to Astros P Francis Martes was #19. They had no players in the top 20 in the NY-P league, in the South Atlantic League P Domingo German #16. In the FSL the only player listed was at #20 Colin Moran, but he too was traded!

 

If you want to see more, this is in their free section

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/majors/2014-league-top-20-prospects-index/?sm_id=social_20141006_32950276

 

 

[Dr Beinfest]

Baseball America's shitty font made me leave the website the minute I arrived.

 

Oh, and real fucking cool not capitalizing all of the positions.

 

I hate you.

 

 

[fanofthefish]

They wrapped up their lists, in the Southern League J.T. Realmuto was ranked #7, Andrew Heaney # 13 and Justin Nicolino #19.

 

In the PCL Heaney was #6.

 

 

[Bret Hart]

http://www.mlbposts.com/Article.aspx?URL=231693

 

Here is BP top 10 prospect.

 

1. LHP Andrew Heaney

2. RHP Tyler Kolek

3. C J.T. Realmuto

4. RHP Trevor Williams

5. RHP Jose Urena

6. RHP Anthony DeSclafani

7. 2B Avery Romero

8. LHP Justin Nicolino

9. RHP Nick Wittgren

10. LHP Michael Mader

 

Only 2 position players were listed.

 

[Jay Ram]

http://www.mlbposts.com/Article.aspx?URL=231693

 

Here is BP top 10 prospect.

 

1. LHP Andrew Heaney

2. RHP Tyler Kolek

3. C J.T. Realmuto

4. RHP Trevor Williams

5. RHP Jose Urena

6. RHP Anthony DeSclafani

7. 2B Avery Romero

8. LHP Justin Nicolino

9. RHP Nick Wittgren

10. LHP Michael Mader

 

Only 2 position players were listed.

 

 

The farm is so thin right now on offensive talent. It's offensive to look at.

 

Miami is going to have to overpay in FA or trade to get infield help if they are serious.

 

 

[dim]

The fact that Domingo German isn't on that list but Michael Mader is upsets me. Also feel like Brian Anderson will end up in the top 10 soon enough. This is the list I had for our prospects back in July

 

 

Here's what I'd put the list at most likely

 

1) Andrew Heaney

2) Colin Moran

3) Tyler Kolek

4) J.T Realmuto

5) Avery Romero

6) Justin Nicolino

7) Anthony Desclafani

8) Adam Conley

9) Trevor Williams

10) Jose Urena

11) Brian Flynn

12) Domingo German

13) Chad Wallach

14) Austin Barnes

15) Mark Canha

16) Austin Dean

17) Justin Twine

18) Austin Brice

19) Brian Anderson

20) Justin Bohn

 

Guys on the outside looking in but deserve recognition include...

Nick Wittgren

Sean Townsley

Ryan Newell

Felix Munoz

J.T Riddle

Kentrell Dewitt

Scott Lyman

 

 

 

Obviously Moran's gone, and Heaney, Desclafani and Realmuto all saw time in the majors. I don't think my view on our prospects has changed all that much, although I'm slightly higher on German/Wallach/Barnes/Canha and think all have a chance of contributing in the majors at some point, while I'm more down on Conley/Flynn.

 

There's some interesting hitters in our minors. Nobody with true superstar or even all star potential, but solid guys. Next season will be important for Romero in particular. A true .850+ OPS season in both Jupiter/Jax and he could be a potential low end top 100 prospect.

 

Anyway some interesting prospects to follow. Don't know why Wittgren is top 10 considering the meh season he had in Jax. He'll be a part of the Marlins bullpen in 2016 but he needs to prove himself again in AA this upcoming year.

 

 

[Hotcorner]

I'd put Grant Dayton above Wittgren and Dayton didn't even make the list.

 

 

[Jay Ram]

The fact that Domingo German isn't on that list but Michael Mader is upsets me. Also feel like Brian Anderson will end up in the top 10 soon enough. This is the list I had for our prospects back in July

 

 

 

 

 

Obviously Moran's gone, and Heaney, Desclafani and Realmuto all saw time in the majors. I don't think my view on our prospects has changed all that much, although I'm slightly higher on German/Wallach/Barnes/Canha and think all have a chance of contributing in the majors at some point, while I'm more down on Conley/Flynn.

 

There's some interesting hitters in our minors. Nobody with true superstar or even all star potential, but solid guys. Next season will be important for Romero in particular. A true .850+ OPS season in both Jupiter/Jax and he could be a potential low end top 100 prospect.

 

Anyway some interesting prospects to follow. Don't know why Wittgren is top 10 considering the meh season he had in Jax. He'll be a part of the Marlins bullpen in 2016 but he needs to prove himself again in AA this upcoming year.

 

 

 

I can't see Romero ever OPSing .850

 

But agreed on German. He needs to be higher.

[Wild Card]

Without looking, has Romero even OPSed over .800 in the minors for a full season? Greensboro doesn't count.

[dim]

.795 OPS in GBoro, .770 OPS in Jupiter. But we all know his main tool is his hit tool, as he batted .320 at both levels. Romero is one of those hitters that is projected to fill out a little more as he gets older and gains a little more power (similar to what expect of Yelich), and if he's able to raise his OBP a little bit more he won't need to increase his power all that much since he'll be a great leadoff hitter.

 

The biggest reason he isn't a top top prospect is because he doesn't draw enough walks, doesn't have a set in stone position (he's second base right now but he's also capable of playing SS), and his power numbers are weak. But he has a grade A hit tool. If he can become a guy in the majors who hits .300 every season but only produces a .740-750 OPS, I'm sure we'll all be very happy. But he's two to two and a half years away from even considering a call up to be honest. This season at Jupiter will be a big test for him and a chance to prove he's an A prospect and not more of a low B prospect.

 

 

[Jay Ram]

.795 OPS in GBoro, .770 OPS in Jupiter. But we all know his main tool is his hit tool, as he batted .320 at both levels. Romero is one of those hitters that is projected to fill out a little more as he gets older and gains a little more power (similar to what expect of Yelich), and if he's able to raise his OBP a little bit more he won't need to increase his power all that much since he'll be a great leadoff hitter.

 

The biggest reason he isn't a top top prospect is because he doesn't draw enough walks, doesn't have a set in stone position (he's second base right now but he's also capable of playing SS), and his power numbers are weak. But he has a grade A hit tool. If he can become a guy in the majors who hits .300 every season but only produces a .740-750 OPS, I'm sure we'll all be very happy. But he's two to two and a half years away from even considering a call up to be honest. This season at Jupiter will be a big test for him and a chance to prove he's an A prospect and not more of a low B prospect.

 

I think zero prospect evaluators think he's an A prospect, so there's that.

 

 

[dim]

Never said anybody called him an A prospect. But he's got the potential to be a good one, and a really big year in Jupiter can help make him a top 100 guy possibly.

 

 

[MiamiFan]

.795 OPS in GBoro, .770 OPS in Jupiter. But we all know his main tool is his hit tool, as he batted .320 at both levels. Romero is one of those hitters that is projected to fill out a little more as he gets older and gains a little more power (similar to what expect of Yelich), and if he's able to raise his OBP a little bit more he won't need to increase his power all that much since he'll be a great leadoff hitter.

 

The biggest reason he isn't a top top prospect is because he doesn't draw enough walks, doesn't have a set in stone position (he's second base right now but he's also capable of playing SS), and his power numbers are weak. But he has a grade A hit tool. If he can become a guy in the majors who hits .300 every season but only produces a .740-750 OPS, I'm sure we'll all be very happy. But he's two to two and a half years away from even considering a call up to be honest. This season at Jupiter will be a big test for him and a chance to prove he's an A prospect and not more of a low B prospect.

 

Romero is an average prospect and is our highest rated position player. That says a lot about our farm system. I don't see the capability to play SS, his fielding % is average at 2B and worse at 3B and I believe they tried him at SS early but he didn't have the range. He hit for a good average in Greensboro and continued in Jupiter but isn't a leadoff leadoff guy (doesn't swipe a lot of bases or have a great OBP) nor the power to be a middle of the lineup guy yet. The OBP and OPS are low for a guy that hit 320. He gathers an above average amount of doubles, that's the only upside I see from the stats. BA in three seasons is still in the 290's even with the big year last year. I can't imagine him posting an 850 OPS when he hasn't posted over 800 in three years. My last concern is he seems to be old for a high school guy. His age makes him the same as the recent college draftees? Maybe I misread that somewhere?

 

I like the emphasis on pitching prospects but we may have to be willing to deal some of this to gather some positions players to put around Stanton at some point. Also deserving of consideration for this list are Bohn and Anderson with the later having possibly the best upside of any of our position prospects. The power is promising.

 

 

[Eddie Altamonte]

I think zero prospect evaluators think he's an A prospect, so there's that.

 

Nobody is saying he is an A rated prospect there are not that many to go around He easily could be a B rated prospect. This guy can hit, and he seems to hit everything, he can field the position. He projects to become an above average 2nd baseman defensively. He is not very fast nor is he very athletic if he were he would be our SS of the future, He is a contact hitter, he has a very low strikeout rate and you may not like it but by years end next season he likely will be wearing a Miami Marlins uniform. If he hits Double A pitching early on he will be a Marlin by July. He can probably outhit Solano/Valdespin right now. He already turns a doubleplay with the best of them, He doesn't walk much but he doesn't swing and miss much either, I know the love affair is with Dietrich, but he has more warts than Romero right now, as much as we love his power, the glove is atrocious. Romero has his problems right now of inconsistency defensively but no one is really concerned about his glove at all

 

 

[Jay Ram]

Nobody is saying he is an A rated prospect there are not that many to go around He easily could be a B rated prospect. This guy can hit, and he seems to hit everything, he can field the position. He projects to become an above average 2nd baseman defensively. He is not very fast nor is he very athletic if he were he would be our SS of the future, He is a contact hitter, he has a very low strikeout rate and you may not like it but by years end next season he likely will be wearing a Miami Marlins uniform. If he hits Double A pitching early on he will be a Marlin by July. He can probably outhit Solano/Valdespin right now. He already turns a doubleplay with the best of them, He doesn't walk much but he doesn't swing and miss much either, I know the love affair is with Dietrich, but he has more warts than Romero right now, as much as we love his power, the glove is atrocious. Romero has his problems right now of inconsistency defensively but no one is really concerned about his glove at all

 

BRIAN ANDERSON

 

 

[Jay Ram]

Romero is an average prospect and is our highest rated position player. That says a lot about our farm system. I don't see the capability to play SS, his fielding % is average at 2B and worse at 3B and I believe they tried him at SS early but he didn't have the range. He hit for a good average in Greensboro and continued in Jupiter but isn't a leadoff leadoff guy (doesn't swipe a lot of bases or have a great OBP) nor the power to be a middle of the lineup guy yet. The OBP and OPS are low for a guy that hit 320. He gathers an above average amount of doubles, that's the only upside I see from the stats. BA in three seasons is still in the 290's even with the big year last year. I can't imagine him posting an 850 OPS when he hasn't posted over 800 in three years. My last concern is he seems to be old for a high school guy. His age makes him the same as the recent college draftees? Maybe I misread that somewhere?

 

I like the emphasis on pitching prospects but we may have to be willing to deal some of this to gather some positions players to put around Stanton at some point. Also deserving of consideration for this list are Bohn and Anderson with the later having possibly the best upside of any of our position prospects. The power is promising.

 

Anderson came out of college. Played three years at Arkansas, hence, he will turn 22 in 2015.

 

 

[Eddie Altamonte]

BRIAN ANDERSON

 

3rd Base

 

 

[MiamiFan]

Nobody is saying he is an A rated prospect there are not that many to go around He easily could be a B rated prospect. This guy can hit, and he seems to hit everything, he can field the position. He projects to become an above average 2nd baseman defensively. He is not very fast nor is he very athletic if he were he would be our SS of the future, He is a contact hitter, he has a very low strikeout rate and you may not like it but by years end next season he likely will be wearing a Miami Marlins uniform. If he hits Double A pitching early on he will be a Marlin by July. He can probably outhit Solano/Valdespin right now. He already turns a doubleplay with the best of them, He doesn't walk much but he doesn't swing and miss much either, I know the love affair is with Dietrich, but he has more warts than Romero right now, as much as we love his power, the glove is atrocious. Romero has his problems right now of inconsistency defensively but no one is really concerned about his glove at all

 

He may be able to out hit Solano and Valdespin but that isn't saying much is it? That for sure doesn't make him an A or B prospect. I'm not sold on the low strikeout rate (career Hits 251, SO 120, BB 64). Strikes out twice as much as walks. My original point was that if he's our highest rated position player we have a week farm system besides pitching prospects.

 

 

[MiamiFan]

Anderson came out of college. Played three years at Arkansas, hence, he will turn 22 in 2015.

 

Sorry, I meant when I saw his age compared to the other high school draftees of the same year he is older than them.

 

 

[Wild Card]

.795 OPS in GBoro, .770 OPS in Jupiter. But we all know his main tool is his hit tool, as he batted .320 at both levels. Romero is one of those hitters that is projected to fill out a little more as he gets older and gains a little more power (similar to what expect of Yelich), and if he's able to raise his OBP a little bit more he won't need to increase his power all that much since he'll be a great leadoff hitter.

 

The biggest reason he isn't a top top prospect is because he doesn't draw enough walks, doesn't have a set in stone position (he's second base right now but he's also capable of playing SS), and his power numbers are weak. But he has a grade A hit tool. If he can become a guy in the majors who hits .300 every season but only produces a .740-750 OPS, I'm sure we'll all be very happy. But he's two to two and a half years away from even considering a call up to be honest. This season at Jupiter will be a big test for him and a chance to prove he's an A prospect and not more of a low B prospect.

 

 

Wow, he didn't even OPS .800 in Greensboro? So basically he is Brent Keys except at a position of need.

 

Speaking of, man what a down year for Keys. Good thing we don't really need him, but I liked him, always root for the underdog. Hopefully Romero doesn't have the same issue with the next jump.

[Jay Ram]

3rd Base

 

We should all hope he can stay at second, where he can be plus offensively. Don't see him as a proto 3B barring an unforeseen breakout.

 

 

[Jay Ram]

He may be able to out hit Solano and Valdespin but that isn't saying much is it? That for sure doesn't make him an A or B prospect. I'm not sold on the low strikeout rate (career Hits 251, SO 120, BB 64). Strikes out twice as much as walks. My original point was that if he's our highest rated position player we have a week farm system besides pitching prospects.

 

The farm is definitely one of the weakest in the game, unfortunately. Really hoping for some breakout years from guys like German, Anderson, Romero, and consistency from Realmuto.

 

 

[MiamiFan]

Will Barnes get a chance to get out from behind the plate and stay there? He seems to be as good of a middle infield prospect as any we have offensively and could possibly make sense as an infielder if he were able to concentrate on one position only. He doesn't seem like a proto catcher, rather his frame reminds me of an infielder. I understand he is average at best but his numbers look better than our other options. Minors career stat lines:

 

A. Barnes - 4 seasons

 

G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS

 

419 1855 1573 241 468 97 10 31 186 31 8 217 213 .298 .390 .431 .821

 

A. Romero - 3 seasons

 

223 946 851 106 251 56 1 11 110 14 10 64 120 .295 .353 .402 .755

 

 

[Nny]

I'm a fan of Barnes but a thing to remember about his number is that he's been, at best, "not old" for his league. You can't just compare Romero's line to Barnes because Romero is three years younger. Romero was in Jupiter this year, whereas Barnes was in the NYPL at the same age.

 

Love the BB/K though and he's shown okay power to back it up. I really do like him. If we go in as is, I think he should be in the running for our starting 2B with Dietrich and Kike.

 

 

[dim]

Yeah that's been my two biggest things with both Canha and Barnes. Really solid stats, but they started out in the minors older and the front office have moved both players along at a Willingham style slow path.

 

Barnes will be 25 when next season starts and he'll likely begin in AAA since he proved everything he could in AA. The good news and the bad news for Barnes is that he can play multiple positions, another reason why I like Canha also. The issue for these guys is they don't have set positions and the front office still isn't really sure how to evaluate them (and evidently they gave up on Canha by making him available in the Rule V Draft).

 

I truly feel that if given the chance Barnes could do good things in the majors (and I've been touting him as a player for a good three years). The long term issue is that the power never really materializes in the majors, but at the very least his awesome ability to get on base makes him at least somewhat valuable in the majors. I'm not saying time is running short on him, because there's cases like Gaby Sanchez and Josh Willingham that are similar to what he's going through. But if he's not able to crack the major leagues by September call ups of this upcoming season, there's a good chance he eventually gets lost in the shuffle altogether.