Does it represent the people who flocked to Miami Heat games for several years until just recently? The people who filled Marlins Park for the World Baseball Classic and the All Star game? The people who loaded up Hard Rock Stadium for the Hurricanes this season? The people who get all excited about the Dolphins every year? Because those are the people that the Marlins need to attract. The "broke ass" families you described do exist but they are not the ones who are gonna create the market that the Marlins need but the market IS out there. Every city has poor people, that doesn't mean a sports team can't still thrive there. 

 

The world baseball classic was filled with the people from those Latin countries. They’ll spend it on that cause it’s like me living in Singapore and having the Yankees come to town. I don’t mind spending some money for a piece of back home. And as I told bald eagle basketball is on the way up where as baseball is losing interest so that’s actually proof no one will come to marlins games. They’re more interested in basketball. And the dolphins have a single game for the week and that acts like an event since it’s pretty much one big tailgate party.

 

 

Oh give me a break, the Heat sold out for several years in a row every single game. Maybe there's a few games here and there they have some freebie upper deck seats to hand out for marketing. Nearly every team hands out some freebies. Still, they are selling plenty of tickets.

 

Those great years were the big three years. People would go to the games and see drake, lil Wayne, DJ khaled, etc. It became the new cool thing to do. That is not happening with the marlins. 

 

 

The Yankees play in a poor area of the Bronx, but obviously they don't have an issue. MOST stadiums are in poor areas.

 

Lmfao dude really the Yankees? A team that’s been around longer than some states?

 

 

The world baseball classic was filled with the people from those Latin countries. They’ll spend it on that cause it’s like me living in Singapore and having the Yankees come to town. I don’t mind spending some money for a piece of back home. And as I told bald eagle basketball is on the way up where as baseball is losing interest so that’s actually proof no one will come to marlins games. They’re more interested in basketball. And the dolphins have a single game for the week and that acts like an event since it’s pretty much one big tailgate party.

 

Yes and those people are here. The point is there are people here who will go to Marlins games when it's the popular thing to do. I don't know why you think they wouldn't. 

 

 

Dude I was given free heat tickets at the mall yesterday for listening to some guy tell me about a vacation club and giving him my email address. Plus basketball is the number one growing sport right now and baseball is trending in the other direction so it’s only gonna get worse.

 

No its not.

 

Revenues break records yearly in baseball.  Hardly would call that trending in the other direction.  The key (and the NBA has done great with it) is targeting those younger fans (and coming soon pissed off NFL fans for variety of reasons).  

 

Can MLB do that is the key.  

 

 

Yes and those people are here. The point is there are people here who will go to Marlins games when it's the popular thing to do. I don't know why you think they wouldn't. 

 

Believe me, I want that place packed to the brim. It depresses me to see it empty every time I go. The problem is when you talk to the majority of people here in the correct part of the income curve that can afford to go to games, it isn’t about how they would pay if they were better, they all think baseball is boring. There’s a lack of interest in the sport in general 

 

 

Believe me, I want that place packed to the brim. It depresses me to see it empty every time I go. The problem is when you talk to the majority of people here in the correct part of the income curve that can afford to go to games, it isn’t about how they would pay if they were better, they all think baseball is boring. There’s a lack of interest in the sport in general 

 

When the team is good they will come. They do it for other sports and they'll do it for baseball as they did in the playoff runs of 97 and 03. Baseball being boring won't stop that. 

 

 

So your suggestion is that the Marlins do keep them both? What if they do receive an offer too good to pass up? Personally I would like them both on the team as well. I would prefer the Marlins absorb some money on bad contracts but can also try and see if the value goes up by the Trade deadline.

 

I find it very attractive to build around a 26 year old consistent 4.5 WAR player who could come into more power and has an amazing contract for 5 years, and an optimistic 3.5 WAR 27 year old catcher who even if his production slumps a bit, is still well above average. These are two great long term building blocks (assuming Realmuto will sign a 5/$55 type deal which would be hard for him to turn down considering he is 3 years from FA) and while they would certainly bring in 3-4 top prospects, and a few other lottery ticket ones, it is very difficult to imagine that they would net a player as good as Yelich. Yelich is a top 2-3 player on a contending team. It's hard to find those guys and they have one. 

 

I would get Realmuto to sign a 5 year deal, move Castro/Bour/Straily/Prado/Ziegler/Tazawa now for as much as you can get (and not dump contracts through doing that for lesser returns), sign a bunch of 1 year reclamation free agents who want playing time, aim to move Barraclough/Conley/Urena/Dietrich/Rojas/said 1 year reclamation FA at the deadline this year for whatever you can get, and then call up the farm in August and see what you got.

 

If Anderson, J. Garcia, Peters, Wittgren, Steckenrider, Alcantara, Sierra, Neidert, Gallen, Brigham, and whoever else in the majors/upper minors predominantly all stink, you can still trade Yelich and Realmuto next year and keep stockpiling top prospects and draft picks. But, if they are right and there is a reasonable basis to believe they have their longterm 3B and CF with Anderson and Sierra, 2-3 good SP even if not aces, and fill out their bullpen with ease, that's starting to look like a real ball club with a very very clean payroll moving forward.

 

 

I find it very attractive to build around a 26 year old consistent 4.5 WAR player who could come into more power and has an amazing contract for 5 years, and an optimistic 3.5 WAR 27 year old catcher who even if his production slumps a bit, is still well above average. These are two great long term building blocks (assuming Realmuto will sign a 5/$55 type deal which would be hard for him to turn down considering he is 3 years from FA) and while they would certainly bring in 3-4 top prospects, and a few other lottery ticket ones, it is very difficult to imagine that they would net a player as good as Yelich. Yelich is a top 2-3 player on a contending team. It's hard to find those guys and they have one. 

 

I know there has been rumors going around with Nationals and Braves checking in, but the Marlins absolutely have to shoot high on these demands. Asking for their top prospects for Yelich who is continues to get better each year and is locked down for 5 guaranteed years. If these guys end up wanting to stay, makes sense to be to build around them. But if they come out and say they rather be somewhere else and confirm that, then you are faced with a predicament. I mean Stanton complained about the tear down in 2013 but he got over it. If you trade Yelich you gotta get a top OF back and also hopefully address getting a good SS/2B back in the deal as well.

 

 

This team won't do well in the local market until it moves somewhere else.  For a long time, there was the excuse of not having the stadium.  Blame all the owners.  Then we sign one of the best players in baseball to an extension, does attendance increase?  No.  58 home runs?  No.  Miami is a lost cause and this franchise will just spin its wheels forever.

 

 

This team won't do well in the local market until it moves somewhere else.  For a long time, there was the excuse of not having the stadium.  Blame all the owners.  Then we sign one of the best players in baseball to an extension, does attendance increase?  No.  58 home runs?  No.  Miami is a lost cause and this franchise will just spin its wheels forever.

 

How about we see how the city reacts to a sustained winner before we push the team out of Miami? 

 

 

How about we see how the city reacts to a sustained winner before we push the team out of Miami? 

 

Yep. Contraction was last week, relocation is this week.

 

 

How about we see how the city reacts to a sustained winner before we push the team out of Miami? 

 

Miami is the worst sports town in America.

 

 

they all think baseball is boring. There’s a lack of interest in the sport in general 

 

So what are the people in the Miami most interested in ?

 

 

So what are the people in the Miami most interested in ?

 

The majority of the foreign born population like and play Soccer, and the younger people are pretty much split between the heat and the dolphins. 

 

 

The majority of the foreign born population like and play Soccer, and the younger people are pretty much split between the heat and the dolphins. 

 

And the foreign born population is also interested in baseball and the younger people will care about baseball when they're cool and popular again. 

 

 

And the foreign born population is also interested in baseball and the younger people will care about baseball when they're cool and popular again. 

 

But if people still not coming to the ballpark after this team winning consistently than maybe it's time MLB thinking about get rid of this team…

 

 

Contraction.

 

Never.

 

Happens.

 

In.

 

Major.

 

League.

 

Baseball.

 

But what would you do to a failed branch ?

 

 

But what would you do to a failed branch ?

 

Move

 

It

 

 

Move

 

It

 

Or closed it…

 

 

Or closed it…

 

Contraction doesn’t happen.

 

 

Contraction doesn’t happen.

 

Maybe,but I don't think MLB would continues to leave it alone for a franchise to keep losing money like it.

 

 

I would get Realmuto to sign a 5 year deal, move Castro/Bour/Straily/Prado/Ziegler/Tazawa now for as much as you can get (and not dump contracts through doing that for lesser returns), sign a bunch of 1 year reclamation free agents who want playing time, aim to move Barraclough/Conley/Urena/Dietrich/Rojas/said 1 year reclamation FA at the deadline this year for whatever you can get, and then call up the farm in August and see what you got.

 

I understand the necessary to trade the high priced veterans,but what's the point to trade the pre-arb eligible or even the arb eligible players ? they all cheap assets to this team now and I don't think the returns would be great for those players,so why not just keep them and make contributions to this team in their prime when this team ready to compete in 3~5 years later ?

 

 

But if people still not coming to the ballpark after this team winning consistently than maybe it's time MLB thinking about get rid of this team…

 

You should stop following this team and get a head start on that. Go ahead, we'll meet you over at Giantsbaseball.com

 

 

I have one question based on existing baseball economics can Baseball ever work in a city like Miami?

 

How are cities like Green Bay and Buffalo able to stay in business in NFL?

 

Maybe because in NFL all tv revenues are split equally and player contracts are not guaranteed?

 

if you had NFL economics in Baseball would a team in Miami have a better chance to keep a competitive team on field every year?