I disagree. the marlins drew 3 million their first year before undergoing teardown after teardown, with each one eroding the trust and support with the fans. There are worse things than keeping the Marlin's all-time HR leader to be the franchise cornerstone, even if he is overpaid. 

 

Can't keep paying for something you can't afford and then expect to be successful around that. It's simple math. Keeping Stanton would have made it harder to build a winner around him even if he kept putting up MVP numbers. He'd have been a one man show on a consistently losing team. 

 

 

You really are a fool if you think I meant anyone on this website. I meant the attendance was garbage even with all that going on.

 

You never answered my question. 

 

How many games did you go to last year?

 

 

Sorry but I am under no obligation to answer your questions. It doesn't make my point any less valid or more valid if I attended 10 games or 80 games. The point was pretty clear. The attendance sucked when there were plenty of reasons to go, so using common sense tells you it'd suck again.

 

Calm down. 

 

I ask because I hear all the time from people in real life about how “Marlins attendance sucks”.  But then I ask the person that just made the statement how many games they went to last year and they say something like “I’ve been to one game since Marlins Park opened”.

 

And I hear that shit all the time:  a lot of people who DON’T attend games whining about how attendance sucks.  

 

 

These attendance threads are like a beating a dead horse. They get us nowhere. The casual fans have shown they aren't showing up until a consistent winner is on the field and we are in the playoff hunt late into the season. Granted some of those have stayed away because of Jeffrey Loria and previous ownership; but many just don't wanna go if they aren't going to see a consistent winning product.

 

I'll bite though. I had full season tickets the past 2 years. 2016-2017 for the sole purpose of being able to go the All Star game becaue it was a once in a lifetime oppurtunity so to speak. 2016 was fun and I had blast going to many of the Jose Fernandez starts. 2017 started out promising but after the disspaointment that was the ASG in my opinion I went to 2 games after. It was clear the team wasn't going places. Making the 120 mile round trip from Boynton Beach wasn't in my interests anymore.

 

I am more excited about this time RIGHT NOW than I was this time last year.

 

 

Just curious...did you make those calculations or did you see them posted somewhere? I thought I ran those numbers once myself and found that there was no difference at all in terms of attendance on "Jose days."

 

i found the same stats he was referring to in an espn.com article from shortly after Jose died.  Not sure if that's where he got them from.

 

 

I think this thread can go already, getting a little violent and pointless.

 

 

I think a more logical end game is waiting out Tampa, who has no stadium and is a bigger threat to move, which  when that happens, causes the Marlins TV region to expand at least through Orlando/Tampa, if not state wide, giving the Marlins a lot more TV money, and then Tampa (who is presumably in San Antonio/Las Vegas) has to move out of the AL East, and then the logical replacement is the Marlins as the Braves/Phillies/Mets are the old guard, Nationals can't move because of the Orioles, and the next most logical team to move is Milwaukee, and MLB isn't putting the Yankees/Red Sox in that media market 20 games a year versus playing them in a much larger one of South Florida, so Miami shifts to the AL East, Milwaukee shifts to the NL East, and Tampa-New San Antonio/Vegas NL central.

 

New larger TV market and a move to premier division in baseball. I always thought this is what Loria was biding his time for (you can see the NY connections obviously with the Yankees), but I really think Fernandez changed everything emotionally for him and he just wanted to bail at that point.

 

Anyways.

 

 

If the Rays ever do end up relocating, the Marlins should consider trying to change their name back to the Florida Marlins

 

I agree but I wonder if they are legally obligated to stay as Miami as it was a part of the ballpark agreement.

 

 

Calm down. 

 

I ask because I hear all the time from people in real life about how “Marlins attendance sucks”.  But then I ask the person that just made the statement how many games they went to last year and they say something like “I’ve been to one game since Marlins Park opened”.

 

And I hear that shit all the time:  a lot of people who DON’T attend games whining about how attendance sucks.  

 

I'd agree with this except that it pretty much doesn't apply to the people on these forums. 

 

 

If the Rays ever do end up relocating, the Marlins should consider trying to change their name back to the Florida Marlins. It seems like Huzienga opted to go with that name over Miami because he kept trying to fight to keep the Rays out of Florida.

 

There's definitely some money to be made if the Marlins TV market opens up more to Orlando and Tampa/St. Pete.

 

Huizenga actually wanted them to be called "South Florida" (and the Flamingos not the Marlins but that's a whole other story). 

 

 

Just curious...did you make those calculations or did you see them posted somewhere? I thought I ran those numbers once myself and found that there was no difference at all in terms of attendance on "Jose days."

 

it was from a rather good espn article after he died - http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/17654641/when-jose-fernandez-pitched-home-miami-celebrated

 

 

If the Rays ever do end up relocating, the Marlins should consider trying to change their name back to the Florida Marlins. It seems like Huzienga opted to go with that name over Miami because he kept trying to fight to keep the Rays out of Florida.

 

There's definitely some money to be made if the Marlins TV market opens up more to Orlando and Tampa/St. Pete.

 

Don’t count on the Rays relocating. 

 

 

Yep, this is what I tried to point out to him yesterday. Not sure why he told me to calm down when I was clearly calm, not so sure about him though.

 

Well, you resorted to name calling and I didn’t.  

 

At the end of the day, people who don’t go to games/rarely go to games whining about how no one goes to Marlins games is absolutely a thing.  

 

 

I'd agree with this except that it pretty much doesn't apply to the people on these forums. 

 

But I didn’t say it did apply to people on these forums (although I’m confident we have members here who whine about attendance but hardly ever go to games). 

 

 

Note to those who have trouble UNDERSTANDING SIMPLE CONCEPTS: Pointing out attendance was bad in 2017, isn't whining about it. It is simply stating facts.

 

Again, no need for personal attacks. 

 

I’m not 12 years old.  

 

I say this to all Marlins fans residing in the Tri-County area who don’t attend Marlins games or make one pilgrimage a year to the ballpark yet at the first instance the word Marlins is mentioned say “lol that place is always empty”:

 

Start going to the ballpark.  Be a part of the solution.  

 

I do think it speaks volumes that you would not volunteer how often you attend games.  Especially after you’ve repeated the mantra over and over again that the fire sale won’t hurt attendance because no one attends Marlins games anyway.  

 

 

I'm skeptical of those numbers to be honest, at least for 2016. Just a random example, on Tues 8/23/16 against KC with Cashner on the mound, the Marlins draw 18,513. Jose pitches the next night and the Marlins only draw 17,894.

 

There are certainly examples of the opposite happening, but I really don't see any discernible pattern indicating that Jose boosted attendance, outside of maybe a slight bump on the occasional weekend start.

 

That's how i remembered it too, which is part of the reason i said what i said.   Im guessing there is some weekend skewing to the numbers, who knows though.  Maybe he just made most weekday starts on the road and weekend starts at home and it skewed the numbers just by the randomness of the days in which he was scheduled to pitch. 

 

 

Sell the team for 7 billion dollars