I regret even mentioning the Braves since it derailed the initial debate (though I stand by my point). This was about the fact some fans here were jealous of the rays. I don’t see why you’d prefer their overall history over ours.

 

 

I don’t prefer their history over ours.

 

I prefer their more recent history over ours, and, more importantly, I also prefer their future over ours. 

 

When we won the two titles, the Devil Rays weren’t run by the intelligent people in their front office now. Furthermore, the Marlins won a title in 2003 and stayed living in 2003. 

 

 

This team would have been infinitely more fun over a 20 year period if they consistently made the playoffs, kept players, and did things right, but fell short of the world series. Winning 2 world series is great, but those have been the only two exciting years in the team's history. The only other exciting year was 2009, and that ended in failure and we were never really THAT close to the playoffs.

 

 

I guess this is just one of those things that is a personal preference.

 

 

I guess this is just one of those things that is a personal preference.

 

Age might have something to do with it too. I was there for the Marlins inaugural season and I remember both championships vividly. But sadly that was so long ago that there are now Marlins fans (and not just kids) who weren't born for the first championship and might have been too small to remember the second championship. 

 

I wouldn't trade the Marlins history for the Rays history but I could see how someone around 17 years old today might not agree. 

 

 

I'm not sure it is time to be able to say one way or the other about what the marlins organization is doing. As for the Rays, they are the best organization in baseball. After the new ownership came in, they changed the way they did business. Changed the way they think about baseball. They are playing a different sport there. You can tell because everyone has talked about how they gave up over the summer, and yet they are under performing with a winning record. Everyone said at the deadline the trade of Archer was them throwing in the towel, but I don't think there is any evidence that they are giving up. And since that trade the media has pointed out how stupid they are to not have a starting pitcher on their roster, and yet they continue to find ways to piece together baseball games. 

 

In short, I love the Rays organization. They are the ideal organization. The marlins are still wild cards. They haven't been here long enough for me to have a real idea of what they are trying to do.

 

 

For what it’s worth, I would not trade our history for their history, but my thread wasn’t really about that. At some point, we have to stop living like it’s 15 years ago.

 

 

I'm not sure it is time to be able to say one way or the other about what the marlins organization is doing. As for the Rays, they are the best organization in baseball. After the new ownership came in, they changed the way they did business. Changed the way they think about baseball. They are playing a different sport there. You can tell because everyone has talked about how they gave up over the summer, and yet they are under performing with a winning record. Everyone said at the deadline the trade of Archer was them throwing in the towel, but I don't think there is any evidence that they are giving up. And since that trade the media has pointed out how stupid they are to not have a starting pitcher on their roster, and yet they continue to find ways to piece together baseball games. 

 

In short, I love the Rays organization. They are the ideal organization. The marlins are still wild cards. They haven't been here long enough for me to have a real idea of what they are trying to do.

 

I wouldn’t say they’re the best, but at least they’re forward thinking. They’re open to new ideas. They actually believe in analytics unlike Mike Hill who says he does because he recently learned the definition of the word. 

 

I would like to see the Marlins come up with a new idea like the Rays constantly do.

 

 

I wouldn’t say they’re the best, but at least they’re forward thinking. They’re open to new ideas. They actually believe in analytics unlike Mike Hill who says he does because he recently learned the definition of the word. 

 

I would like to see the Marlins come up with a new idea like the Rays constantly do.

 

Actually, the Marlins have come up with a decade-old idea. Be really bad for a few years, and if you draft well and stash enough prospects, a few of them will become championship-caliber players.  Unfortunately that strategy might only work when there’s only one or two teams doing that, as opposed to the current half-dozen. And that’s the charitable view of the strategy...

 

 

I love the Rays organization. They are the ideal organization. 

 

Well now, let's not get carried away here. 

 

 

 At some point, we have to stop living like it’s 15 years ago.

 

 

 

They’re open to new ideas. They actually believe in analytics unlike Mike Hill who says he does because he recently learned the definition of the word. 

 

To be fair I think these complaints very much point to the Loria era and the Jeter era could very well turn out differently. 

 

 

I'm not sure it is time to be able to say one way or the other about what the marlins organization is doing. As for the Rays, they are the best organization in baseball. After the new ownership came in, they changed the way they did business. Changed the way they think about baseball. They are playing a different sport there. You can tell because everyone has talked about how they gave up over the summer, and yet they are under performing with a winning record. Everyone said at the deadline the trade of Archer was them throwing in the towel, but I don't think there is any evidence that they are giving up. And since that trade the media has pointed out how stupid they are to not have a starting pitcher on their roster, and yet they continue to find ways to piece together baseball games. 

 

In short, I love the Rays organization. They are the ideal organization. The marlins are still wild cards. They haven't been here long enough for me to have a real idea of what they are trying to do.

 

As what you said,this Rays organization would win ten WS title in ten years if their team was in the New York,right ?

 

 

Without the butts in the seats,good organization and good record would all be just nothing.

 

 

 

To be fair I think these complaints very much point to the Loria era and the Jeter era could very well turn out differently. 

 

Nope, Erick said it, must be correct in the here and now.

 

 

Can we go half-way and say we'd trade one title for a few more competitive seasons where they actually make the playoffs?  I'd take the 2003 title over the 97 one please.

 

 

Can we go half-way and say we'd trade one title for a few more competitive seasons where they actually make the playoffs?  I'd take the 2003 title over the 97 one please.

 

Hell no. I wouldn’t trade away a World Series title.  Again I know some others think differently but to me reaching the division playoffs or missing the playoffs is the same. WS title or bust.

 

 

WS title or bust.

 

Can't we get a World Series title and then bust?

 

 

 

To be fair I think these complaints very much point to the Loria era and the Jeter era could very well turn out differently. 

 

The Jeter era has been very similar so far. Salary dump trades and then hanging on to every controllable reliever on the roster in a lost season is very Loria. Cheap AND dumb — bad combo.

 

 

The Jeter era has been very similar so far. Salary dump trades and then hanging on to every controllable reliever on the roster in a lost season is very Loria. Cheap AND dumb — bad combo.

 

Would you have preferred Jeter to have traded Barraclough for a lackluster return? You don't know what was offered for any of these Marlins relievers.

 

 

Would you have preferred Jeter to have traded Barraclough for a lackluster return? You don't know what was offered for any of these Marlins relievers.

 

Also, we reportedly had some sort of deal with the Dodgers before they backed out due to medicals.

 

 

Would you have preferred Jeter to have traded Barraclough for a lackluster return? You don't know what was offered for any of these Marlins relievers.

 

There were a bunch of relievers traded so everyone knows what the market for them was. Just compare relievers with similar production/control to Barraclough and look at what they returned. Barraclough's market was probably the same. It's not that hard to figure out. They kept all the relievers because they're half-assing the rebuild. This front office is as clueless as the last one. 

 

 

There were a bunch of relievers traded so everyone knows what the market for them was. Just compare relievers with similar production/control to Barraclough and look at what they returned. Barraclough's market was probably the same. It's not that hard to figure out. They kept all the relievers because they're half-assing the rebuild. This front office is as clueless as the last one. 

 

Did any of those relievers have multiple meltdowns leading up to the trade deadline? You can't make that comparison.

 

 

Did any of those relievers have multiple meltdowns leading up to the trade deadline? You can't make that comparison.

 

Did the Marlins have to wait until he had multiple letdowns? They were allowed to make trades before the 31st.

 

 

Did the Marlins have to wait until he had multiple letdowns? They were allowed to make trades before the 31st.

 

So they should've traded him right before the multiple meltdowns began? Playing Monday Morning QB is easy.

 

 

Playing Monday Morning QB is easy.

 

Do they have that on ps4?