January 8, 20206 yr Austin Brice is a good pitcher. He and Nick Wittgren belong in MLB bullpens. Also, Nate Bump. The fact that nobody in the Miami media covering this team really pressed this front office on that decision (DFA Wittgren) is just a testament to how fucking bad the media is in Miami.
January 8, 20206 yr The fact that nobody in the Miami media covering this team really pressed this front office on that decision (DFA Wittgren) is just a testament to how fucking bad the media is in Miami. Yeah, that move made no sense at the time to me. And why he was down in AAA for us made no sense either.
January 8, 20206 yr The fact that nobody in the Miami media covering this team really pressed this front office on that decision (DFA Wittgren) is just a testament to how fucking bad the media is in Miami. This is a stretch. Wittgren was solid but he was also just a middle reliever with no really big prior successes to speak of. It's not like he was an All Star before nor did he go on to become a superstar in Cleveland. I can't think of any media in any market for any team that would have made a big deal about DFAing a middle reliever with no real prior success.
January 8, 20206 yr This is a stretch. Wittgren was solid but he was also just a middle reliever with no really big prior successes to speak of. It's not like he was an All Star before nor did he go on to become a superstar in Cleveland. I can't think of any media in any market for any team that would have made a big deal about DFAing a middle reliever with no real prior success. Eh, its not like Wittgren wasnt a piece that was useful and cheap. He also proved how idiotic of a decision it was with his 2019 campaign. But lets just ignore how idiotic of a decision that was at the time. But continue suckling the collective teets of this regime. It made no sense to DFA Wittgren when it happened and it makes less sense now. The same really probably applies to Brice.
January 8, 20206 yr The fact that nobody in the Miami media covering this team really pressed this front office on that decision (DFA Wittgren) is just a testament to how fucking bad the media is in Miami. I have been pretty supportive of the new ownership, but I will say their bullpen moves have been pretty questionable.
January 8, 20206 yr Eh, its not like Wittgren wasnt a piece that was useful and cheap. He also proved how idiotic of a decision it was with his 2019 campaign. But lets just ignore how idiotic of a decision that was at the time. But continue suckling the collective teets of this regime. It made no sense to DFA Wittgren when it happened and it makes less sense now. The same really probably applies to Brice. I disliked the Wittgren move too, but you said the media should have been all over them for it and I can't think of media anywhere that would have been all over any team for DFAing a middle reliever with no real prior success to speak of. Once again you're discussing different things and/or changing the conversation midstream.
January 8, 20206 yr I disliked the Wittgren move too, but you said the media should have been all over them for it and I can't think of media anywhere that would have been all over any team for DFAing a middle reliever with no real prior success to speak of. Once again you're discussing different things and/or changing the conversation midstream. the media sucks in Miami. It’s better with Spencer gone though.
January 8, 20206 yr the media sucks in Miami. It’s better with Spencer gone though. Fair opinion, I'm not saying it's great... but in what MLB market do you truly think the media would press the front office for DFA'ing an unknown middle reliever with no standout successes? If anyone else can answer this question have at it.
January 8, 20206 yr Fair opinion, I'm not saying it's great... but in what MLB market do you truly think the media would press the front office for DFA'ing an unknown middle reliever with no standout successes? If anyone else can answer this question have at it. boston New York
January 8, 20206 yr I have been pretty supportive of the new ownership, but I will say their bullpen moves have been pretty questionable. Clearly they learned from Mattingly.
January 8, 20206 yr Granted most franchises wouldnt do things so idiotic as to DFA a perfectly good reliever who isnt even arbitration eligible yet without giving any real reasoning behind it so there is that. Marlins now do it two years in a row.
January 8, 20206 yr I don’t understand why you DFA Brice and Keller but still have Conley stinking it up in the pen. Brice is out of options so that limits flexibility for a backend reliever, and Keller isn't very good. They also have at least 7 comparable or better right handers - Stanek, Steck, Yimi, Brigham, Sharp, Hernandez, and Dugger - plus Guzman likely joining pen midseason. Garcia and Quijada are there only lefty relievers without Conley, and Quijada doesn't really look ready. Vesia is probably a 2021 player considering they can avoid 40 man protection for 1 more year. Conley also has real upside - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/these-three-marlins-lefties-have-some-funky-fastballs/ Relievers are volatile. He's worth the gamble this year for sure. He knows this is his last chance for consistent MLB contracts so you'd hope he shows up ready to go.
January 8, 20206 yr Granted most franchises wouldnt do things so idiotic as to DFA a perfectly good reliever who isnt even arbitration eligible yet without giving any real reasoning behind it so there is that. Marlins now do it two years in a row. Wittgren is much better than Brice. Wittgren also had an option last year, so that one is still puzzling.
January 8, 20206 yr Wittgren is much better than Brice. Wittgren also had an option last year, so that one is still puzzling. Honestly, I think its maybe the stupidest decision this new regime has made and nobody* really called them for it, which makes it just as bad. *Anyone thats not an armchair fan and has real access to the team One of the best things to happen to the Marlins is the retirement of Spencer, who was mailing it in for a good 5 years before retiring. This Doonsberry character seems to actually give a damn about reporting on the Marlins so thats nice, as opposed to literally every real writer covering this franchise since Rodriguez's death and Baxter going to LA.
January 8, 20206 yr We need better relievers! Let's start by getting rid of good relievers. WHY ISN'T OUR PLAN WORKING?
January 8, 20206 yr Honestly, I think its maybe the stupidest decision this new regime has made and nobody* really called them for it, which makes it just as bad. *Anyone thats not an armchair fan and has real access to the team One of the best things to happen to the Marlins is the retirement of Spencer, who was mailing it in for a good 5 years before retiring. This Doonsberry character seems to actually give a damn about reporting on the Marlins so thats nice, as opposed to literally every real writer covering this franchise since Rodriguez's death and Baxter going to LA. The stupidest decision this regime will ever make is trading Yelich with 5 years of control for below market value. And that isn't accounting for Brinson failing and Yelich getting better. But the Wittgren move was really dumb.
January 8, 20206 yr We need better relievers! Let's start by getting rid of good relievers. WHY ISN'T OUR PLAN WORKING? I'm not sure if Brice makes the team. I'd rather have Stanek, Steckenrider (healthy), Brigham (great end of year), Yimi, and Sharp (keep him or he's gone). Then, is Brice better than Hernandez if one of those 5 gets hurt? This one isn't a big deal.
January 8, 20206 yr The stupidest decision this regime will ever make is trading Yelich with 5 years of control for below market value. And that isn't accounting for Brinson failing and Yelich getting better. But the Wittgren move was really dumb. The Marlins REALLY need Harrison to not be a disaster in the big leagues. I didnt want to bring up the Yelich deal because thats just too easy.
January 8, 20206 yr The Marlins REALLY need Harrison to not be a disaster in the big leagues. I didnt want to bring up the Yelich deal because thats just too easy. It's easy, but it's also true. They sold low with prospect value, and then it got worse. It's a true disaster of a move. Wittgren is whatever longterm, but it was dumb. They need Brinson, Diaz, Harrison, and Yamamoto to get to like 30 WAR over their club controlled years to create a push with Yelich. I'm not holding my breath.
January 8, 20206 yr It's easy, but it's also true. They sold low with prospect value, and then it got worse. It's a true disaster of a move. Wittgren is whatever longterm, but it was dumb. They need Brinson, Diaz, Harrison, and Yamamoto to get to like 30 WAR over their club controlled years to create a push with Yelich. I'm not holding my breath. They are a combined -2.3 WAR so far I think so thats a good start!
January 8, 20206 yr I mean give Yamamoto credit, I thought he would be the worst of those 4 players and he is the only one with a positive WAR, so good on him!
January 8, 20206 yr They are a combined -2.3 WAR so far I think so thats a good start! One thing to keep in mind is that their WAR numbers the last 2 seasons don't mean squat. If Diaz, Harrison, and Yamamoto maintain starter level WAR for 5 seasons they would get to 30 WAR. If they contribute to the Marlins having winning seasons, who cares what their total WAR is especially since it probably helped get better picks the last 2 years with their struggles. It would be like if a team was guaranteed to win 810 games and lose 810 games over the course of a decade, it would be better to average 53 wins for 3 years and 93 for the other 7 than it is to get 81 wins every season.
January 8, 20206 yr One thing to keep in mind is that their WAR numbers the last 2 seasons don't mean squat. If Diaz, Harrison, and Yamamoto maintain starter level WAR for 5 seasons they would get to 30 WAR. If they contribute to the Marlins having winning seasons, who cares what their total WAR is especially since it probably helped get better picks the last 2 years with their struggles. It would be like if a team was guaranteed to win 810 games and lose 810 games over the course of a decade, it would be better to average 53 wins for 3 years and 93 for the other 7 than it is to get 81 wins every season. That's a lot of ifs as opposed to a known quantity. I really would be shocked if all 3 of those have that successful of careers, based entirely on probablity. Normally you would have 1 who would excel, 1 who would be decent, 1 who would be average and 1 that is an utter disaster. Right now you have 1 utter disaster in Brinson. I was not impressed with Diaz (not in the minors and not really in the MLB). Yamamoto exeeded expectations. Marlins really really need Harrison to be an all star level player to make that trade not be the utter disaster it is so far.
January 8, 20206 yr That's a lot of ifs as opposed to a known quantity. I really would be shocked if all 3 of those have that successful of careers, based entirely on probablity. Normally you would have 1 who would excel, 1 who would be decent, 1 who would be average and 1 that is an utter disaster. Right now you have 1 utter disaster in Brinson. I was not impressed with Diaz (not in the minors and not really in the MLB). Yamamoto exeeded expectations. Marlins really really need Harrison to be an all star level player to make that trade not be the utter disaster it is so far. Isan had a comically low BABIP in his cup of coffee. He'll probably be fine as the walk rate held. The only thing I am concerned about with him is longterm defense at 2B. The overall problem is, even if Isan and Monte are 2 WAR average starters, you still have a phenomenal gap to Yelich. There is no way they "win" the trade unless someone becomes a star.
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