Bob tweeted it first so the meeting is canceled.

Just now, Michael said:

Bob tweeted it first so the meeting is canceled.

MLBTR put up a nice summary of the major issues and where each side is.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/02/latest-collective-bargaining-positions-for-mlb-players-association.html

 

 

With proposals going back and forth, it can be difficult to keep track of where each side stands in collective bargaining between MLB and the Players Association.  We’ll keep this post updated so you can use it as a reference.

Last Proposal From MLB: 2-12-22

Last Proposal From MLBPA: 2-1-22

Next Up: MLBPA expected to make a proposal 2-17-22

Here’s where each side stands on the key issues.

 

Minimum Salary

MLB: $630K, or fixed $615K/$650K/$725K salaries for 0-3 players

MLBPA: $775K

Current gap: $145K

 

Competitive Balance Tax

MLB: Base tax thresholds at $214MM in 2022/ $214MM in 2023/ $216MM in 2024 / $218MM in 2025 / $222MM in 2026.  Also proposing significant increases in tax rates on overages and new draft pick penalties.

MLBPA: $245MM in 2022 / $252MM in 2023 / $259MM in 2024 / $266MM in 2025 / $273MM in 2026

Current gap: $31MM in 2022, growing to $51MM in 2026.  Gap also includes MLB’s proposed increases in tax rates and addition of draft pick forfeiture

 

Draft Pick Compensation

MLB: Has proposed eliminating draft pick forfeiture for teams that sign free agents.  Their plan still calls for teams to get draft picks for losing free agents, depending on the quality of the player.  This offer seems to be tied to MLB’s CBT proposal as sort of a trade.

 

Pre-Arbitration Bonus Pool

MLB has agreed to fund a bonus pool for pre-arbitration players, which would be a new addition to the CBA.  They have proposed “a six-person panel — three from each side — to develop a mutually agreeable WAR statistic to allocate the funds,” according to ESPN’s Jesse Rogers.  He adds, “The top 30 players in WAR and award winners would be eligible for the bonus pool.”

MLB: $15MM pool

MLBPA: $100MM pool

Current gap: $85MM

 

Arbitration Eligibility

MLB: No change in which players are eligible for arbitration

MLBPA: All players with at least two years of service eligible for arbitration

 

Service Time Manipulation

MLB: Offering two draft picks within the player’s first three years if he finishes in the top three in Cy Young, Rookie of the Year or MVP voting (per Jesse Rogers)

MLBPA: “Players receive a full year of service time in their rookie season if infielders and catchers finish among the top seven for their position in WAR in each league, with outfielders, relief pitchers and starting pitchers finishing among the top 20.  The union also said it would accept a modification of MLB’s proposal that would reward draft pick compensation to teams whose players finish among the top three in the Rookie of the Year, MVP and Cy Young voting.” (per USA Today’s Bob Nightengale)

 

Anti-Tanking Measures

MLB: Lottery for top three picks

MLBPA: Lottery for top eight picks.  Under the union’s offer, teams would find themselves excluded from the lottery for finishing below certain thresholds in the standings for two to three consecutive seasons. The specific thresholds for exclusion varied depending upon market size, with larger-market clubs facing stricter requirements for lottery eligibility.

 

Revenue Sharing

MLB: No change to revenue sharing

MLBPA: $30MM reduction

 

Expanded Playoffs

MLB: 14 teams

MLBPA: 12 teams

 

Universal Designated Hitter

This seems to be generally agreed upon by both sides.

 

"There's no deal, there was never going to be a deal" - tweet from a few hours from now.

17 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

"There's no deal, there was never going to be a deal" - tweet from a few hours from now.

Jeff Passan

27 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

"There's no deal, there was never going to be a deal" - tweet from a few hours from now.

So they've agreed to not agree? That seems like progress at this point.

2 hours ago, SonOfJack said:

"There's no deal, there was never going to be a deal" - tweet from a few hours from now.

I'm sure it'll be another 5 minute meeting, as if that's going to help move anything along.

10 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

I'm sure it'll be another 5 minute meeting, as if that's going to help move anything along.

I'm more annoyed at the meeting once a week thing. Meet every damn day at least

1 minute ago, SonOfJack said:

I'm more annoyed at the meeting once a week thing. Meet every damn day at least

Just be in adjacent hotel rooms and talk daily until it's done.

I can't speak to this person's legitimacy but this could be something.

 

 

 

51 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

I'm more annoyed at the meeting once a week thing. Meet every damn day at least

 

100% agree.  I think I said it earlier in this thread, I could understand every other day if they wanted to work amongst themselves on counter proposals after receiving a proposal, but weeks plus gaps between talking is ridiculous.

 

31 minutes ago, Michael said:

I can't speak to this person's legitimacy but this could be something.

 

 

 

 

Isn't that exactly what MLB proposed months back?

 

I find it hard to believe they got exactly what they wanted.

1 hour ago, SonOfJack said:

I'm more annoyed at the meeting once a week thing. Meet every damn day at least

The less they talk now that we're actually in Spring Training time tells me more and more how little they actually care to get this done.

 

4 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

Isn't that exactly what MLB proposed months back?

 

I find it hard to believe they got exactly what they wanted.

Probably? I'm not against it, but I think we also need to add two more teams to MLB and then they'd have to adjust this format a bit.

Again, can't speak to that person's credibility so unsure if they're truthful here.

1 minute ago, SonOfJack said:

 

HA!

2 minutes ago, SonOfJack said:

 

Wow they agreed so quickly!? Awesome!

 

 

Next meeting scheduled probably for like March 31st. 

I just don't see the urgency I expected at this point. I was pretty cool with a lockout in December and January because I saw it as both sides having to take a stand, prove they're serious, and just kinda give each other mean faces at the start. No different than an argument with a loved one. But after that there comes a point where you get over the stupidity and actually start moving quicker towards a resolution. I feel like both sides are still playing hardball when the time for that has long passed. Every day is critical at this point. This should have already been finalized. 

This makes sense...

 

Jon has a point, too. Next offer from either side will need some actual significant movement towards the middle ground.