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Hot Stove (2021-2022 offseason)

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in Miami Marlins

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2 minutes ago, Michael said:

Wow you must really love the owners.

How'd you know?

I also hate workers. I find them disgusting and vile.

Edited by Entendu

3 minutes ago, Michael said:

Just seem like that kind of person.

 

 

You skank.

What can I say, other than fuck OSHA

2 minutes ago, Michael said:

Many things, like "pay minor leaguers living wages" or "Rob Manfred does the cha-cha like a sissy girl."

Ah things literally no one cares about, including the MLBPA!

I actually care a little bit about anything that makes Rob Manfred look like shit, though. I hate Rob Manfred.

46 minutes ago, SongInTheAir said:

sorry, I forgot that people with more money are inherently more valuable and should be trusted without question because they know what is better for us, the workers. 

 

yum, boot.

exactly.

I hope you realize the error in your ways and get the forgiveness of our lords. 

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8 hours ago, MarlinsLou said:

In other news, Fangraphs did their top 100 so most of them are out now - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2022-top-100-prospects/

TLDR
Watson 49 (top 5 potential for next year, huge upside)
Meyer 58 ("a rotation stalwart")
Eury 67 (if he were draft eligible this year as a high school player, top 5 pick)
Sixto 80 (mid-rotation starter)
Cabrera 107 (impact arm, might be a reliever)
Salas 109 (you have to dig for this in comments, but he just missed the list apparently this year)

They also inexplicably picked Osiris Johnson as a potential break out as he may finally be healthy - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/picks-to-click-who-we-expect-to-make-the-2023-top-100/. Wouldn't that be something.

Some other recent top 100s have included Burdick and Bleday in the back end, I. Lewis was ahead of a few notable people (like Bleday) on a list or two (BA), and I think most would have Eder somewhere around here if he were healthy. Some have Meyer a little higher (30s) and some not even in top 100 as they see a reliever. Sixto/Cabrera are all over the place 40s-100s, but injury risk seems to knock them down. Eury seems pretty consistent in the middle, and Watson in the low 40s range.

So big picture, the consensus rankings is probably something like this (very rough estimate):

Watson - 40s
Meyer - 50s
Eury - 50s/60s
Sixto - 70s
Cabrera - 70s/80s
Just outside 100s - Salas, Burdick, Bleday, Eder
Upside picks - I. Lewis, Fulton, Mack, Morisette, Nunez, Cappe, and O. Johnson. Maybe another few guys end up here. Fangraphs deep dive (not out) is going to be helpful here.

So this is pretty good considering that just outside list is showing some major upside, and they have good draft pick potential in 2022. 

 

Which leads to the actual debate of what to do with the pitching surplus. This says to me, their centerpiece trade players are Sandy, Rogers, Pablo, Jazz, J. Sanchez, Watson, Meyer, and Eury. Maybe someone really loves Sixto, Cabrera, or Luzardo. That's it. 

This says to me what we already know - Pablo, Meyer, and Eury are the best trade candidates for a CF. One must be sacrificed.

Personally, I think it's Pablo at this stage, and attach Bass and Cooper to him (which clears $8m+, more on that to follow). I think this is going to the Angels for Brandon Marsh who has big time upside (https://blogs.fangraphs.com/dont-forget-about-brandon-marsh/), Jeremiah Jackson, who would fall into that "upside picks" category above (https://www.fangraphs.com/players/jeremiah-jackson/sa3007740/stats?position=SS), and likely another guy in their top 15-20 range of prospects (https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-41-prospects-los-angeles-angels/). 

Payroll is now sitting under $60m clearing Pablo/Cooper/Bass and they'd need (1) a big time 1B/DH - Schwarber/Castellanos, maybe Rizzo homecoming as a fall back, and you got bucks for this; and (2) An innings eater to help Elisier, Luzardo, Sixto, Cabrera, ad Meyer OR an elite elite reliever. This is something like Greinke or Kenley - go for it. Then, (3) any upgrades to the last guys on the roster - this is Fortes, Berti, DLC, and Okert replacements. If there is money to spare, I think trading for Keirmaier or Hicks (absorbing salary) would be a smart idea to take two swings at CF. DLC did pretty well last year, but he was likely over his head and I don't think we'd be losing sleep if Marsh/Keirmaier are thee 3/4 OF. That would be amazing.

Still have the entire farm (including guys like Lewin, Neidert, Poteet, Garrett, etc.) in this scenario. It's a hard price to pay with Pablo who is great, but something has got to give. And they need to SPEND to make up the difference.

This is what I'm talking about. If they are smart, this is $90mish and nothing longterm that hurts any plans. I think we're all very happy with this.

Stallings, Fortes
Aguilar
Jazz
Rojas, Berti
Anderson, Wendle
Sanchez
Marsh, Keirmaier/Hicks
Garcia
DH - Schwarber/Castellanos

Sandy, Rogers, "Free Agent Arm", Elisier, Luzardo
Bender, Floro, Sixto, Cabrera, Pop, Head
Bleier, Okert

Should try to replace Berti with Josh Harrison ?

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