2 hours ago, SonOfJack said:

They were always going to wait until the deadline, nothing's changed yet

Hope so, maybe nobody wants to lose money due to the canceled games.

10 hours ago, taiwanmarlin said:

100% have no the 2022 season, if they could have a deal before the 2/28 deadline then they just don't need to wait until this deadline to have a deal. 

The reports on how much money specific players would lose for each cancelled day of the regular season is not gonna help their perception in the public eye when you remind people that these people make in a day what it would take regular people multiple years to earn.

 

3 hours ago, SilverBullet said:

The reports on how much money specific players would lose for each cancelled day of the regular season is not gonna help their perception in the public eye when you remind people that these people make in a day what it would take regular people multiple years to earn.

 

Sadly the numbers for each team and what they lose each game is not public info to put THAT into perspective. 

 

Currently in intermission.

ESPN (and other news sources, plus way too many baseball fans) are saying the lockout is “billionaires vs millionaires”, which like, yeah okay that's accurate, but if you made a dollar a second, every second, it would take you 11.6 days to become a millionaire and 31.6 years to become a billionaire. Taking the side of the owners in this is not only anti-labor, it's disgusting and vile. I know we all (most of us?) want baseball to come back, but there are more important things than having all 162 games this season, like making sure minor leaguers don't have to live in literal poverty with no employer support for years going forward.

38 minutes ago, SongInTheAir said:

ESPN (and other news sources, plus way too many baseball fans) are saying the lockout is “billionaires vs millionaires”, which like, yeah okay that's accurate, but if you made a dollar a second, every second, it would take you 11.6 days to become a millionaire and 31.6 years to become a billionaire. Taking the side of the owners in this is not only anti-labor, it's disgusting and vile. I know we all (most of us?) want baseball to come back, but there are more important things than having all 162 games this season, like making sure minor leaguers don't have to live in literal poverty with no employer support for years going forward.

Except MLBPA doesn't care about that fact either because minor leaguers aren't part of the union.....

 

Not saying I disagree, but throwing that in there like it's a big sticking point in negotiations that the PA really wants and owners are fighting on isn't quite true - that's a parallel owner issue.

37 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

Except MLBPA doesn't care about that fact either because minor leaguers aren't part of the union.....

 

Not saying I disagree, but throwing that in there like it's a big sticking point in negotiations that the PA really wants and owners are fighting on isn't quite true - that's a parallel owner issue.

true. the minors should be unionized as well. 

MLB players havent given a fuck about minor league players like ever.

You have to pay your dues or something is the line usually.

Pity me the minor league argument.

That said, fuck ownership.

Both sides are giving bad looks in the end right now, but whatever. 

How old are those people ? really be very childish. 

Yea I think the billionaires vs millionaires argument is so misleading. A boss shouldn't be allowed to screw over their employees and if a business is rolling in money the employees have a right to receive compensation based on that. It's not about the dollar amounts it's about the owners not giving their players their fair share. 

Two sides need to make a decision now, win the CBA or have all the 162 games. 

Now seems the best timing to give up on the baseball …

1 hour ago, taiwanmarlin said:

Now seems the best timing to give up on the baseball …

Ok so do it.

17 minutes ago, Michael said:

Ok so do it.

Baseball give up on we fans already.

37 minutes ago, taiwanmarlin said:

Baseball give up on we fans already.

Ok, so do it.

In other news, Fangraphs did their top 100 so most of them are out now - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2022-top-100-prospects/

TLDR
Watson 49 (top 5 potential for next year, huge upside)
Meyer 58 ("a rotation stalwart")
Eury 67 (if he were draft eligible this year as a high school player, top 5 pick)
Sixto 80 (mid-rotation starter)
Cabrera 107 (impact arm, might be a reliever)
Salas 109 (you have to dig for this in comments, but he just missed the list apparently this year)

They also inexplicably picked Osiris Johnson as a potential break out as he may finally be healthy - https://blogs.fangraphs.com/picks-to-click-who-we-expect-to-make-the-2023-top-100/. Wouldn't that be something.

Some other recent top 100s have included Burdick and Bleday in the back end, I. Lewis was ahead of a few notable people (like Bleday) on a list or two (BA), and I think most would have Eder somewhere around here if he were healthy. Some have Meyer a little higher (30s) and some not even in top 100 as they see a reliever. Sixto/Cabrera are all over the place 40s-100s, but injury risk seems to knock them down. Eury seems pretty consistent in the middle, and Watson in the low 40s range.

So big picture, the consensus rankings is probably something like this (very rough estimate):

Watson - 40s
Meyer - 50s
Eury - 50s/60s
Sixto - 70s
Cabrera - 70s/80s
Just outside 100s - Salas, Burdick, Bleday, Eder
Upside picks - I. Lewis, Fulton, Mack, Morisette, Nunez, Cappe, and O. Johnson. Maybe another few guys end up here. Fangraphs deep dive (not out) is going to be helpful here.

So this is pretty good considering that just outside list is showing some major upside, and they have good draft pick potential in 2022. 

 

Which leads to the actual debate of what to do with the pitching surplus. This says to me, their centerpiece trade players are Sandy, Rogers, Pablo, Jazz, J. Sanchez, Watson, Meyer, and Eury. Maybe someone really loves Sixto, Cabrera, or Luzardo. That's it. 

This says to me what we already know - Pablo, Meyer, and Eury are the best trade candidates for a CF. One must be sacrificed.

Personally, I think it's Pablo at this stage, and attach Bass and Cooper to him (which clears $8m+, more on that to follow). I think this is going to the Angels for Brandon Marsh who has big time upside (https://blogs.fangraphs.com/dont-forget-about-brandon-marsh/), Jeremiah Jackson, who would fall into that "upside picks" category above (https://www.fangraphs.com/players/jeremiah-jackson/sa3007740/stats?position=SS), and likely another guy in their top 15-20 range of prospects (https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-41-prospects-los-angeles-angels/). 

Payroll is now sitting under $60m clearing Pablo/Cooper/Bass and they'd need (1) a big time 1B/DH - Schwarber/Castellanos, maybe Rizzo homecoming as a fall back, and you got bucks for this; and (2) An innings eater to help Elisier, Luzardo, Sixto, Cabrera, ad Meyer OR an elite elite reliever. This is something like Greinke or Kenley - go for it. Then, (3) any upgrades to the last guys on the roster - this is Fortes, Berti, DLC, and Okert replacements. If there is money to spare, I think trading for Keirmaier or Hicks (absorbing salary) would be a smart idea to take two swings at CF. DLC did pretty well last year, but he was likely over his head and I don't think we'd be losing sleep if Marsh/Keirmaier are thee 3/4 OF. That would be amazing.

Still have the entire farm (including guys like Lewin, Neidert, Poteet, Garrett, etc.) in this scenario. It's a hard price to pay with Pablo who is great, but something has got to give. And they need to SPEND to make up the difference.

This is what I'm talking about. If they are smart, this is $90mish and nothing longterm that hurts any plans. I think we're all very happy with this.

Stallings, Fortes
Aguilar
Jazz
Rojas, Berti
Anderson, Wendle
Sanchez
Marsh, Keirmaier/Hicks
Garcia
DH - Schwarber/Castellanos

Sandy, Rogers, "Free Agent Arm", Elisier, Luzardo
Bender, Floro, Sixto, Cabrera, Pop, Head
Bleier, Okert

22 hours ago, SongInTheAir said:

ESPN (and other news sources, plus way too many baseball fans) are saying the lockout is “billionaires vs millionaires”, which like, yeah okay that's accurate, but if you made a dollar a second, every second, it would take you 11.6 days to become a millionaire and 31.6 years to become a billionaire. Taking the side of the owners in this is not only anti-labor, it's disgusting and vile. I know we all (most of us?) want baseball to come back, but there are more important things than having all 162 games this season, like making sure minor leaguers don't have to live in literal poverty with no employer support for years going forward.

Lol

39 minutes ago, Entendu said:

Lol

please explain to me how you are opposed to worker's rights????

13 minutes ago, SongInTheAir said:

please explain to me how you are opposed to worker's rights????

workers should be happy with what they get and not question the wisdom of management ever. 

6 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

workers should be happy with what they get and not question the wisdom of management ever. 

34 minutes ago, Das Texan said:

workers should be happy with what they get and not question the wisdom of management ever. 

sorry, I forgot that people with more money are inherently more valuable and should be trusted without question because they know what is better for us, the workers. 

 

yum, boot.

Edited February 25, 20224 yr by SongInTheAir

51 minutes ago, SongInTheAir said:

please explain to me how you are opposed to worker's rights????

I'm opposed to hysterical people who have a pathetically low threshold for calling other people 'disgusting and vile'.

Well not really opposed... I just think it's funny. Hence the reply.

1 minute ago, Entendu said:

I'm opposed to hysterical people who have a pathetically low threshold for calling other people 'disgusting and vile'.

Well not really opposed... I just think it's funny. Hence the reply.

Wow you must really love the owners.